Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-08-05 Thread John Young
Ken wrote: Crazy authoritarianism. Rules for the sake of rules. They exist to show who is boss. Like school uniforms or corporate dress codes - the rule is made not to enforce any desirable behaviour but to show who is where in the the hierarchy, who is able to make rules and who has to obey

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-08-05 Thread John Young
Ken wrote: Crazy authoritarianism. Rules for the sake of rules. They exist to show who is boss. Like school uniforms or corporate dress codes - the rule is made not to enforce any desirable behaviour but to show who is where in the the hierarchy, who is able to make rules and who has to obey

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-08-05 Thread ken
An Metet wrote: The person in question was just somebody with a weakness for industrial architecture. *I've* taken pictures of oil-company installations in Houston and Galveston and points between. Who do I turn myself in to? I also walk or cycle all over London take photos of just about

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-25 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:10:12PM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: The parking lot (read: makeout spot/planespotter parking, etc.) abut a half mile from the end of the main runways at Lambert are now permanently closed, and trying to pull over is an open invite for immediate attention. A similar

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-25 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:10:12PM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: The parking lot (read: makeout spot/planespotter parking, etc.) abut a half mile from the end of the main runways at Lambert are now permanently closed, and trying to pull over is an open invite for immediate attention. A similar

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-24 Thread Peter Gutmann
Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HOUSTON (Reuters) - Law enforcement officials said on Monday they are looking for a man seen taking pictures of two refineries in Texas City, Texas. At Usenix Security a few years back, we [a bunch of random security people, most of whom were foreign nationals]

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-24 Thread Peter Gutmann
Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *: A year or two ago someone posted about the blow up of Texas City back in the early 1950s. 1947. Apparently, some kind of tanker hit something else and set of a chain reaction killing thousands and wiping out the town After several earlier events (the

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-24 Thread Peter Gutmann
Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HOUSTON (Reuters) - Law enforcement officials said on Monday they are looking for a man seen taking pictures of two refineries in Texas City, Texas. At Usenix Security a few years back, we [a bunch of random security people, most of whom were foreign nationals]

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-24 Thread Peter Gutmann
Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: *: A year or two ago someone posted about the blow up of Texas City back in the early 1950s. 1947. Apparently, some kind of tanker hit something else and set of a chain reaction killing thousands and wiping out the town After several earlier events (the

Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread Justin
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/415877|top|07-19-2004::15:07|reuters.html Jul 19, 2:57 PM (ET) HOUSTON (Reuters) - Law enforcement officials said on Monday they are looking for a man seen taking pictures of two refineries in Texas City, Texas. Texas City, located on the Texas Gulf coast

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread Justin
On 2004-07-20T21:47:31+0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: The person in question was just somebody with a weakness for industrial architecture. You're missing the big picture: A light-skinned person with dark hair, a camera, a white van and an oil refinery, all in Shrub's home state. That's a bona

RE: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread Trei, Peter
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Shaddack Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:48 PM To: Justin Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Justin wrote: HOUSTON

RE: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread alan
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Trei, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Shaddack Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:48 PM To: Justin Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

RE: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Trei, Peter wrote: I wonder if even over there people who park themselves near airports railway statiions, obsessively noting the arrival and departure of each vehicle, attract the attention of security? Yes, at least here in St. Louis, Missouri, backwater of the Late

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread An Metet
The person in question was just somebody with a weakness for industrial architecture. The no cameras signs were very popular in east block countries. It was forbidden to take pictures of bridges, government buildings, airports, railway stations, industrial installations, water dams etc. The

Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread Justin
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/415877|top|07-19-2004::15:07|reuters.html Jul 19, 2:57 PM (ET) HOUSTON (Reuters) - Law enforcement officials said on Monday they are looking for a man seen taking pictures of two refineries in Texas City, Texas. Texas City, located on the Texas Gulf coast

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Justin wrote: HOUSTON (Reuters) - Law enforcement officials said on Monday they are looking for a man seen taking pictures of two refineries in Texas City, Texas. How difficult it is to wait for a sunny day, wire a digital camera to take two pictures per second with

RE: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread Trei, Peter
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Shaddack Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:48 PM To: Justin Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Justin wrote: HOUSTON

RE: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread alan
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Trei, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Thomas Shaddack Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:48 PM To: Justin Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

RE: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Trei, Peter wrote: I wonder if even over there people who park themselves near airports railway statiions, obsessively noting the arrival and departure of each vehicle, attract the attention of security? Yes, at least here in St. Louis, Missouri, backwater of the Late

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread Tyler Durden
The person in question was just somebody with a weakness for industrial architecture. Either that, or they wanted to see if there'd be ANOTHER apocalyptic chain reaction decimating Texas City, just in the off chance someone hits just one of the tanks.* In other words, does public safety still

Re: Texas oil refineries, a White Van, and Al Qaeda

2004-07-20 Thread Justin
On 2004-07-20T21:47:31+0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: The person in question was just somebody with a weakness for industrial architecture. You're missing the big picture: A light-skinned person with dark hair, a camera, a white van and an oil refinery, all in Shrub's home state. That's a bona