Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-08-08 Thread Steve Thompson
--- J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Steve Thompson wrote: --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pretend you hate. But there is an up-side: you're too fucking stupid to be of permanent use to the 'Stazi', and so you can anticpate outliving your

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-08-05 Thread Steve Thompson
--- J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Steve Thompson wrote: --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pretend you hate. But there is an up-side: you're too fucking stupid to be of permanent use to the 'Stazi', and so you can anticpate outliving your

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-08-01 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's an old pattern to character assassins: I've attacked you publically but I really don't want to have defend what I've said or reply to suggestions about my own motivation. And psychopaths are sometimes said to accuse their victims of the

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-08-01 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Steve Thompson wrote: --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's an old pattern to character assassins: I've attacked you publically but I really don't want to have defend what I've said or reply to suggestions about my own motivation. And psychopaths are

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-08-01 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Steve Thompson wrote: --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's an old pattern to character assassins: I've attacked you publically but I really don't want to have defend what I've said or reply to suggestions about my own motivation. And psychopaths are

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-08-01 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's an old pattern to character assassins: I've attacked you publically but I really don't want to have defend what I've said or reply to suggestions about my own motivation. And psychopaths are sometimes said to accuse their victims of the

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-30 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, apparently you haven't been getting any of my posts to the Al-Qaeda node, otherwise the context would be clear. I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. Your motivation is quite clear enough, and any further bad-faith back-and-forth on

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-30 Thread Tyler Durden
Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:32:57 -0400 (EDT) --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, apparently you haven't been getting any of my posts to the Al-Qaeda node

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-30 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, apparently you haven't been getting any of my posts to the Al-Qaeda node, otherwise the context would be clear. I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. Your motivation is quite clear enough, and any further bad-faith back-and-forth on

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-30 Thread Tyler Durden
Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:32:57 -0400 (EDT) --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, apparently you haven't been getting any of my posts to the Al-Qaeda node

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-28 Thread sunder
Steve Schear wrote: The term 'securisimilitude' (from verisimilitude) comes to mind. Steve True, but I think the goal was FUD and it worked. On Tuesday (I think) both the Metro and AMNY free rags reported that all of a sudden there was a rash of suspicious packages being reported. Ya

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-28 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, apparently you haven't been getting any of my posts to the Al-Qaeda node, otherwise the context would be clear. As for... Local authorities, however, can take these differences as meaningful and act upon them. Yes they can. But should they? From their perspective? Of course.

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-28 Thread sunder
Steve Schear wrote: The term 'securisimilitude' (from verisimilitude) comes to mind. Steve True, but I think the goal was FUD and it worked. On Tuesday (I think) both the Metro and AMNY free rags reported that all of a sudden there was a rash of suspicious packages being reported. Ya

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-28 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This premise, however, depends somewhat on the observation that the so-called left and right-wing divisions of the political spectrum are largely illusory. The most strident critics of diametric political opposites in the press and elsewhere would

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-27 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:17 PM 7/23/2005, Tyler Durden wrote: Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random searches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone determined, but might deter someone who was thinking about blowing up the A train. In other words, everyone here in NYC

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-27 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This premise, however, depends somewhat on the observation that the so-called left and right-wing divisions of the political spectrum are largely illusory. The most strident critics of diametric political opposites in the press and elsewhere would

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-27 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, apparently you haven't been getting any of my posts to the Al-Qaeda node, otherwise the context would be clear. As for... Local authorities, however, can take these differences as meaningful and act upon them. Yes they can. But should they? From their perspective? Of course.

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-27 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:17 PM 7/23/2005, Tyler Durden wrote: Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random searches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone determined, but might deter someone who was thinking about blowing up the A train. In other words, everyone here in NYC

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-26 Thread Tyler Durden
This premise, however, depends somewhat on the observation that the so-called left and right-wing divisions of the political spectrum are largely illusory. The most strident critics of diametric political opposites in the press and elsewhere would disagree, but their very occupations are

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-26 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm sure most are aware that random searches

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-26 Thread Tyler Durden
This premise, however, depends somewhat on the observation that the so-called left and right-wing divisions of the political spectrum are largely illusory. The most strident critics of diametric political opposites in the press and elsewhere would disagree, but their very occupations are

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-26 Thread Steve Thompson
--- John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 23, 2005 9:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... ... Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random earches

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-25 Thread Gil Hamilton
sunder wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: In other words, everyone here in NYC knows that we've given up a lot for the sake of the appearence of security, but no one seems to give a damn. I wouldn't say we've given up at all - after all, we've had no choice in the matter. We

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-25 Thread John Kelsey
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 23, 2005 9:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... ... Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random earches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone determined

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-25 Thread Tyler Durden
John Kelsey wrote... I think the reality is a bit different. The random searches won't keep someone who's planning an attack from trying to carry it out, but it may delay their attack, if they made plans based on the old security setup, not the new one. It may also convince them to shift the

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-25 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm sure most are aware that random searches

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-25 Thread Steve Thompson
--- John Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 23, 2005 9:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... ... Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random earches

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-25 Thread Tyler Durden
John Kelsey wrote... I think the reality is a bit different. The random searches won't keep someone who's planning an attack from trying to carry it out, but it may delay their attack, if they made plans based on the old security setup, not the new one. It may also convince them to shift the

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-25 Thread Gil Hamilton
sunder wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: In other words, everyone here in NYC knows that we've given up a lot for the sake of the appearence of security, but no one seems to give a damn. I wouldn't say we've given up at all - after all, we've had no choice in the matter. We

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-25 Thread John Kelsey
From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 23, 2005 9:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... .. Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random earches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone determined

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-24 Thread sunder
Tyler Durden wrote: Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random searches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone determined, but might deter someone who was thinking about blowing up the A train. In other words, everyone here in NYC knows that we've given

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-24 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm sure most are aware that random searches has begun here in NYC, at subway stations and in the LIRR. Contraband (drugs, etc...) can get the owner arrested. The next step, of course, will be to start grabbing anyone carrying terrorist

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-24 Thread Tyler Durden
From: Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm sure most are aware that random searches has begun here in NYC, at subway stations

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-24 Thread sunder
Tyler Durden wrote: Saw a local security expert on the news, and he stated the obvious: Random searches and whatnot are going to do zero for someone determined, but might deter someone who was thinking about blowing up the A train. In other words, everyone here in NYC knows that we've given

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-23 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm sure most are aware that random searches has begun here in NYC, at subway stations and in the LIRR. Contraband (drugs, etc...) can get the owner arrested. The next step, of course, will be to start grabbing anyone carrying terrorist

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-23 Thread Tyler Durden
From: Steve Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Well, they got what they want... Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:01:30 -0400 (EDT) --- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm sure most are aware that random searches has begun here in NYC, at subway stations

Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-22 Thread Tyler Durden
...I'm sure most are aware that random searches has begun here in NYC, at subway stations and in the LIRR. Contraband (drugs, etc...) can get the owner arrested. The next step, of course, will be to start grabbing anyone carrying terrorist propaganda, such as the Qu'ran, leaflets, or even the

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-22 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 11:00 AM 7/22/2005, Tyler Durden wrote: OK, OK...so the police are deterrents against a few lone crazy copycats, who don't have enough sense to enter away from police line-of-site. But it sure seems damned silly to be giving up constitutional protection for the sake of an image of protection.

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-22 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 02:08 PM 7/22/2005, Duncan Frissell wrote: entrance until you make it into the system without a search. Or you can decline to use government transportation entirely and call 212-777- for the Tel Aviv car service (most of who's drivers are the sons of Hagar rather than the sons of Ruth

Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-22 Thread Tyler Durden
..I'm sure most are aware that random searches has begun here in NYC, at subway stations and in the LIRR. Contraband (drugs, etc...) can get the owner arrested. The next step, of course, will be to start grabbing anyone carrying terrorist propaganda, such as the Qu'ran, leaflets, or even the

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-22 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 02:08 PM 7/22/2005, Duncan Frissell wrote: entrance until you make it into the system without a search. Or you can decline to use government transportation entirely and call 212-777- for the Tel Aviv car service (most of who's drivers are the sons of Hagar rather than the sons of Ruth

Re: Well, they got what they want...

2005-07-22 Thread Duncan Frissell
At 11:00 AM 7/22/2005, Tyler Durden wrote: OK, OK...so the police are deterrents against a few lone crazy copycats, who don't have enough sense to enter away from police line-of-site. But it sure seems damned silly to be giving up constitutional protection for the sake of an image of protection.