Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
I'm keeping this one. It's tendng to the condition of poetry. John Young wrote: [...] Commies, now there's a diversion fabricated in the propaganda mills by ideological word-toolers of capitalists and socialists, heeding the marketplace rule 1: concoct a worse evil to send the pack howling at phantasms while draining their savings, cutting back their jobs, sending their sons off to slaughter pens, or, to put it more vulgarly, the free hand of the market lifting wallets and crushnig lives while the media-mesmerized yokels stare bug-eyed shitless at angels and devils paraded from pulpits to chickenhawk feeding lots. [...]
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
I'm keeping this one. It's tendng to the condition of poetry. John Young wrote: [...] Commies, now there's a diversion fabricated in the propaganda mills by ideological word-toolers of capitalists and socialists, heeding the marketplace rule 1: concoct a worse evil to send the pack howling at phantasms while draining their savings, cutting back their jobs, sending their sons off to slaughter pens, or, to put it more vulgarly, the free hand of the market lifting wallets and crushnig lives while the media-mesmerized yokels stare bug-eyed shitless at angels and devils paraded from pulpits to chickenhawk feeding lots. [...]
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 01:11 PM 8/26/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: PS: Anyone else getting tired of the term terror? Back when we all hated You're out of the loop. Here's how you play the propoganda drinking game: You and a friend get a bottle of whatever and watch a Bush speech. *You* drink whenever he says terror; *she* drinks whenever he says freedom. If he says warlord, constitution, regime or WoMD you both drink. If he says occupation, election, oil or Quisling you skip a drink. If he mentions viet nam or guerilla you take 2 drinks. Whoever is left standing gets to clean up.
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 1:07 PM -0400 8/26/03, Adam Shostack wrote: John, you write like a Republican speechwriter on a bad trip. Give him *all* of Ben Stein's money... :-). But then, later on, he says this... On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:45:55PM -0700, John Young wrote: Markets suck, that's what makes them so appealing to bloodsuckers of addled customers, and moreso to vulture investors. I'm sooo confused... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 05:23, Bill Stewart wrote: Nah - who's afraid of Democrats? Branch Davidians, perhaps. Elian Gonzales's Florida relatives. Dems themselves tend to be pathetic wankers, but you gotta admit they're adept at using the state's monopoly power on force. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all! -- Rep. Henry Waxman
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
I caught some of that... I think he means suck in the blowjob sense... i.e. a good form of suck... the same it's desirable to have an S.O that does suck. :^) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ --*--:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Give him *all* of Ben Stein's money... :-). But then, later on, he says this... On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:45:55PM -0700, John Young wrote: Markets suck, that's what makes them so appealing to bloodsuckers of addled customers, and moreso to vulture investors. I'm sooo confused...
Re: CDR: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
On 2003-08-25, Major Variola (ret.) uttered: As expected, animal and environmental activists are now being called terrorists. In many cases, that's an exaggeration. In some, it isn't. Animal rights activists don't normally resort to the kinds of violence, say, anti-abortionists do, but they do systematically disrupt certain sectors of peaceful commerce, like the fur industry. That sort of terror is focused enough not to cause the wider public to react, but it does hurt you very, very badly if you've pegged your livelihood to said industry. At least around these parts some people have actually met personal bankruptcy because of the interference. Few sane people would go with the current anti-terrorism legislation, even when it's meant to counter real terror. Personally I'd rather see some anti-gun use legislation rolled back, so that you could teach your friendly ALF representative a lesson if he's dumb enough to meddle with your foxhouse. -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front openpgp: 050985C2/025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
So... how many people does one have to terrorize in order to be a terrorist? PS: Anyone else getting tired of the term terror? Back when we all hated Osama bin Laden (remember that guy?) Osama was promoted from Terrorist to terror mastermind to lord of terror and so on. I'm sick of being told I'm some sniveling lil' bitch that needs protecting. Right now I am 3 blocks from the Hole of Death and if I stand up and look out that window I can see what will likely be the next ground zero, but I'm not scared per se (granted, it would SUCK to die in a giant pile of collapsing rubble or crashing-and-bleeding due to a dirty bomb). Can't we just call the terrorists our enemies like back in the good old days? -TD From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:02:14 -0400 At 10:25 AM -0400 8/26/03, Sunder wrote: I'm afraid of the oil companies Ah. You're afraid of markets. That makes you a socialist. *You*'re a terrorist, Sunder. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental
RE: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Patrick wrote: leaflets is activism. Planting firebombs in restaurants is terrorism. Is spiking a tree? Exactly whose tree is it anyway? What happens when the last whale is in the harpoon site, is it ok to ruin the shot? It's not as simple as you make it out to be. The reality is there is a whole host of response ranges that exist between flyers and firebombs. Your binary view is simply an indicator of your brainwashing ;) -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.com
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 4:40 PM -0400 8/25/03, Sunder wrote: So what are the bets as to how soon they'll start calling democrats terrorists? :) Aren't they? :-) Cheers, RAH They're socialists, at the very least... -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 08:22 PM 08/25/2003 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 4:40 PM -0400 8/25/03, Sunder wrote: So what are the bets as to how soon they'll start calling democrats terrorists? :) Aren't they? :-) Nah - who's afraid of Democrats?
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 10:25 AM -0400 8/26/03, Sunder wrote: I'm afraid of the oil companies Ah. You're afraid of markets. That makes you a socialist. *You*'re a terrorist, Sunder. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
From the If she weighs as much as a duck, she's a witch department: You're accusing me, of being a socialist, therefore you are not with me, so you're against me, therefore you're on the side of the terrorists, therefore, you are a terrorist. :^) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ --*--:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 10:25 AM -0400 8/26/03, Sunder wrote: I'm afraid of the oil companies Ah. You're afraid of markets. That makes you a socialist. *You*'re a terrorist, Sunder. ;-)
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
Nonshit, Robert, Ray's an organ-eating anarchist not a vapid tea-sip socialist. A while back Ray yanked a capitalist apologist's lawyer's cold dead dried nut heart from behind a Kevlar diamond-studded vest and lipped and tongued it like a lady's freeze-dried private then swallowed it whole, burping at the lawyer never missing a syllable in a diatribe against outlaws, yodeling in Harvard Law speak that cyber jesse james are the worst evil in the marketplace for riggers of such places. No difference between a socialist and a capitalist, barks the enemy of both sides of the same schema to rape the poor and credulous, to feather the leaders' nest with yuk-yuk a sucker every day. Commies, now there's a diversion fabricated in the propaganda mills by ideological word-toolers of capitalists and socialists, heeding the marketplace rule 1: concoct a worse evil to send the pack howling at phantasms while draining their savings, cutting back their jobs, sending their sons off to slaughter pens, or, to put it more vulgarly, the free hand of the market lifting wallets and crushnig lives while the media-mesmerized yokels stare bug-eyed shitless at angels and devils paraded from pulpits to chickenhawk feeding lots. No difference between capitalists, socialists and organized religion. Creepy, how these fundamentalists yarp and predate, blaming their victims, citing chapter and verse why those who got it deserve it, QED. Then philosophers who gloss the way things are as if nothing can be done about. Then there're mean anarchists, who Ray is one of, not the house-broken kind perfuming the fould feathered nests with mild wordy, wordy dissent as if an SEC regulator, or more recently, promoter of the public paying for new power grids. Markets suck, that's what makes them so appealing to bloodsuckers of addled customers, and moreso to vulture investors.
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
John, you write like a Republican speechwriter on a bad trip. On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:45:55PM -0700, John Young wrote: | Nonshit, Robert, Ray's an organ-eating anarchist not a | vapid tea-sip socialist. A while back Ray yanked a | capitalist apologist's lawyer's cold dead dried nut heart | from behind a Kevlar diamond-studded vest and lipped | and tongued it like a lady's freeze-dried private then | swallowed it whole, burping at the lawyer never missing a | syllable in a diatribe against outlaws, yodeling in Harvard | Law speak that cyber jesse james are the worst evil in | the marketplace for riggers of such places.
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 01:11 PM 8/26/2003 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: So... how many people does one have to terrorize in order to be a terrorist? PS: Anyone else getting tired of the term terror? Back when we all hated Osama bin Laden (remember that guy?) Osama was promoted from Terrorist to terror mastermind to lord of terror and so on. I'm sick of being told I'm some sniveling lil' bitch that needs protecting. Right now I am 3 blocks from the Hole of Death and if I stand up and look out that window I can see what will likely be the next ground zero, but I'm not scared per se (granted, it would SUCK to die in a giant pile of collapsing rubble or crashing-and-bleeding due to a dirty bomb). Can't we just call the terrorists our enemies like back in the good old days? How about calling them asyms, for Asymmetrical Warriors? This is in keeping with the U.S. military nomenclature for them. steve [I]t is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. --Reichsmarschall Hermann Goering
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
So... how many people does one have to terrorize in order to be a terrorist? PS: Anyone else getting tired of the term terror? Back when we all hated Osama bin Laden (remember that guy?) Osama was promoted from Terrorist to terror mastermind to lord of terror and so on. I'm sick of being told I'm some sniveling lil' bitch that needs protecting. Right now I am 3 blocks from the Hole of Death and if I stand up and look out that window I can see what will likely be the next ground zero, but I'm not scared per se (granted, it would SUCK to die in a giant pile of collapsing rubble or crashing-and-bleeding due to a dirty bomb). Can't we just call the terrorists our enemies like back in the good old days? -TD From: R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sunder [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 12:02:14 -0400 At 10:25 AM -0400 8/26/03, Sunder wrote: I'm afraid of the oil companies Ah. You're afraid of markets. That makes you a socialist. *You*'re a terrorist, Sunder. ;-) Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' _ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:40:20AM -0600, Patrick wrote: As expected, animal and environmental activists are now being called terrorists. Not new; some have been labeled terrorists for a long time, with good reason. Good reason? EarthFirsters are called terrorists when they treesit or blockade roads. How about releasing furfarm mink, do you consider that terrorism as well? AFAIK, neither ELF or ALF has every harmed a human, so calling them terrorists is just statist agitprop. But don't confuse activists with terrorists. Handing out leaflets is activism. Planting firebombs in restaurants is terrorism. http://www.activistcash.com has some introductory material on how PETA is connected with ALF, ELF, etc. Patrick -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
As expected, animal and environmental activists are now being called terrorists. Foie Gras Flap Leads to Vandalism Sonoma Police Chief John Gurney, who described the attacks as a sophisticated campaign of domestic terrorism, said: They're trying to impose their beliefs on others through the use of force, fear and intimidation. Manrique said the vandals had left behind a videotape of his family inside the house that had been shot through a window. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-foiegras25aug25,1,2739877.story?coll=la-home-todays-times The radical group Earth Liberation Front issued an unsigned e-mail Friday calling the incidents ELF actions,'' and the FBI was investigating the dealership fire as domestic terrorism, Police Chief Frank Wills said. http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2003/08/23/newsnationworld_top/hjjgjbhgjbhgjj.txt
RE: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
As expected, animal and environmental activists are now being called terrorists. Not new; some have been labeled terrorists for a long time, with good reason. But don't confuse activists with terrorists. Handing out leaflets is activism. Planting firebombs in restaurants is terrorism. http://www.activistcash.com has some introductory material on how PETA is connected with ALF, ELF, etc. Patrick
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
So what are the bets as to how soon they'll start calling democrats terrorists? :) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ --*--:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Major Variola (ret.) wrote: As expected, animal and environmental activists are now being called terrorists.
RE: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 11:40 AM 8/25/03 -0600, Patrick wrote: But don't confuse activists with terrorists. Handing out leaflets is activism. Planting firebombs in restaurants is terrorism. Sabotage needn't induce terror, and leaflets can induce terror. Hell, art projects can induce terror, and sabotage can be unnoticed. Additional case studies are needed, however, to determine which traits of chemical and biological terrorists might help identify them because charisma, paranoia, and grandiosity are alo found to varying degreees among, for example, leaders of political parties, large corporations, and academic depts. --John T Finn, _Science_ v 289 1 sept 2000
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Major Variola (ret.) wrote: As expected, animal and environmental activists are now being called terrorists. Foie Gras Flap Leads to Vandalism Sonoma Police Chief John Gurney, who described the attacks as a sophisticated campaign of domestic terrorism, said: They're trying to impose their beliefs on others through the use of force, fear and intimidation. Ask him why he carries a gun. While I don't agree with their methods in all cases it seems to me that they're not telling people what to do, but rather telling others to stop doing it to them. The reality is that the domestic activist movement has only made progress when resorting to violence and destruction. Look at the womens rights movement, 60's civil rights movement, conservation movements in the 60's and 70's. Anything less and the powers that be choose over anything else. It's the nature of the beast who goes for these sorts of positions of 'authority'. A perfect example of why greed is -not- good and 'power' should never be placed in one 'authority'. -- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com www.open-forge.com
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:40:20AM -0600, Patrick wrote: As expected, animal and environmental activists are now being called terrorists. Not new; some have been labeled terrorists for a long time, with good reason. Good reason? EarthFirsters are called terrorists when they treesit or blockade roads. How about releasing furfarm mink, do you consider that terrorism as well? AFAIK, neither ELF or ALF has every harmed a human, so calling them terrorists is just statist agitprop. But don't confuse activists with terrorists. Handing out leaflets is activism. Planting firebombs in restaurants is terrorism. http://www.activistcash.com has some introductory material on how PETA is connected with ALF, ELF, etc. Patrick -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
