Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-18 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Um, even the small form factor PC on a board the size of your palm may still rely on caps in the power supply that don't handle 760 to 0 mm Hg/min so readily. However, if you use a low-power board, you have less current to filter the ripples

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-18 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: Sorry to need educating once again, but I had assumed can-shaped capacitors were gone from laptops in lieu of surface mount. Anyone know? (I don't own a laptop.) The can caps can be surface-mounted as well. The leads then look different, but the

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-18 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:15 PM 7/17/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Sorry to need educating once again, but I had assumed can-shaped capacitors were gone from laptops in lieu of surface mount. Anyone know? (I don't own a laptop.) -TD With apologies, you really seem a troll at times. The *power supply* may use

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-17 Thread Peter Gutmann
Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are many various embedded computers available on the market, eg. the one from http://www.gumstix.com/. (Question for the crowd: anybody knows other comparable or better Linux-ready affordable embedded computer solutions?) When I investigated this a

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-17 Thread Tyler Durden
Sorry to need educating once again, but I had assumed can-shaped capacitors were gone from laptops in lieu of surface mount. Anyone know? (I don't own a laptop.) -TD From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: vacuum-safe laptops ? Date: Fri

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-17 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 06:35 AM 7/16/04 -0400, An Metet wrote: Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can safely go to zero air pressure (dropping from 1 atm to 0 in, say, 1 minute.) waves hand furiously I got

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-17 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 04:03 AM 7/17/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Sorry so late ---but your can-shaped capacitors might not handle the rapid depressurization so well. Perhaps it's time to challenge the introductory assumption. Why a laptop? There are many

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-17 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can safely go to zero air pressure (dropping from 1 atm to 0 in, say, 1 minute.) Sorry so late ---but your can-shaped capacitors might not handle the

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-17 Thread Tyler Durden
Sorry to need educating once again, but I had assumed can-shaped capacitors were gone from laptops in lieu of surface mount. Anyone know? (I don't own a laptop.) -TD From: Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: vacuum-safe laptops ? Date: Fri

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-17 Thread Peter Gutmann
Thomas Shaddack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are many various embedded computers available on the market, eg. the one from http://www.gumstix.com/. (Question for the crowd: anybody knows other comparable or better Linux-ready affordable embedded computer solutions?) When I investigated this a

vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread An Metet
Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can safely go to zero air pressure (dropping from 1 atm to 0 in, say, 1 minute.)

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
Hard drives won't be able to, you'd need solid state flash disks. Sustainable operation will dry out lubricant in bearings, so any fans won't last very long. Any cooling requiring convection won't work, radiative cooling only. I suppose backlighting should be able to do, don't see how LCDs will

RE: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread Trei, Peter
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of An Metet Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: vacuum-safe laptops ? Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 06:35 AM 7/16/04 -0400, An Metet wrote: Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can safely go to zero air pressure (dropping from 1 atm to 0 in, say, 1 minute.) Sorry so late ---but your can-shaped capacitors might not handle the rapid

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 06:35 AM 7/16/04 -0400, An Metet wrote: Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can safely go to zero air pressure (dropping from 1 atm to 0 in, say, 1 minute.) waves hand furiously I got

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can safely go to zero air pressure (dropping from 1 atm to 0 in, say, 1 minute.) Sorry so late ---but your can-shaped capacitors might not handle the

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 04:03 AM 7/17/04 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Sorry so late ---but your can-shaped capacitors might not handle the rapid depressurization so well. Perhaps it's time to challenge the introductory assumption. Why a laptop? There are many

Re: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread Eugen Leitl
Hard drives won't be able to, you'd need solid state flash disks. Sustainable operation will dry out lubricant in bearings, so any fans won't last very long. Any cooling requiring convection won't work, radiative cooling only. I suppose backlighting should be able to do, don't see how LCDs will

vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread An Metet
Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can safely go to zero air pressure (dropping from 1 atm to 0 in, say, 1 minute.)

RE: vacuum-safe laptops ?

2004-07-16 Thread Trei, Peter
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of An Metet Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: vacuum-safe laptops ? Does anyone *know* (first or second hand, I can speculate myself) which laptops, if any, can