Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-03-03 Thread ken
My view - as controversial as ever - is that the problem is unfixable, and mail will eventually fade away. That which will take its place is p2p / IM / chat / SMS based. Which are easier to spam and less secure than smtp. SMTP is p2p by definition, though you can use servers if you want. SMS

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-03-03 Thread Justin
On 2005-03-03T11:52:59+, ken wrote: Chat is already higher volume (I read somewhere) in raw quantity of messages sent than email. I suspect you don't get much traffic. The beauty of a non-real-time store-and-forward system like smtp (or SMS, or oldstyle conferencing systems with

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-17 Thread Eric Murray
On Wed, Feb 16, 2005 at 03:29:21PM +, Ian G wrote: Peter Gutmann wrote: Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eventually email will just collapse (as it's doing) and the RBOCs et al will inherit it and we'll all be paying 15c per message like their SMS services. And the spammers will

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-17 Thread Damian Gerow
Thus spake Peter Gutmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [16/02/05 01:04]: : Hmmm, and maybe *that* will finally motivate software companies, end users, : ISPs, etc etc, to fix up software, systems, and usage habits to prevent this. Doubt it'll motivate the ISPs. They'll be the ones making the 15c/msg. If

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-17 Thread R.A. Hettinga
At 8:12 PM -0500 2/16/05, Barry Shein wrote: And how do you fund all this, make it attain an economic life of its own? I can send you a business plan, if you like. Post-Clinton-Bubble talent's still cheap, I bet... ;-) Still estivating, here, in Roslindale, RAH -- - R. A.

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-17 Thread Tyler Durden
PROTECTED] CC: cryptography@metzdowd.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:29:05 -0500 Oh no, the idiotic penny black idea rides again. Like the movie War Games when a young Matthew Broderick saves the world by causing the WOPR

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-17 Thread Barry Shein
: Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: cryptography@metzdowd.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:29:05 -0500 Oh no, the idiotic penny black idea rides again. Like the movie War Games

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-17 Thread Ian G
Peter Gutmann wrote: Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eventually email will just collapse (as it's doing) and the RBOCs et al will inherit it and we'll all be paying 15c per message like their SMS services. And the spammers will be using everyone else's PC's to send out their spam,

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-17 Thread Tyler Durden
Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], cryptography@metzdowd.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 20:12:59 -0500 And how do you fund all this, make it attain an economic life of its own? That's the big

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-17 Thread Barry Shein
Bingo, that's the whole point, spam doesn't get fixed until there's a robust economics available to fix it. So long as it's treated merely an annoyance or security flaw there won't be enough economic backpressure. On February 16, 2005 at 18:38 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann) wrote: Barry

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-16 Thread Barry Shein
Oh no, the idiotic penny black idea rides again. Like the movie War Games when a young Matthew Broderick saves the world by causing the WOPR computer to be distracted into playing itself tic-tac-toe rather than launching a pre-emptive nuclear strike. It was a MOVIE, made in 1983 nonetheless,

Re: How to Stop Junk E-Mail: Charge for the Stamp

2005-02-16 Thread Peter Gutmann
Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eventually email will just collapse (as it's doing) and the RBOCs et al will inherit it and we'll all be paying 15c per message like their SMS services. And the spammers will be using everyone else's PC's to send out their spam, so the spam problem will