"(Tyler Durden, _please_ learn to trim your replies. Your "quote the entire
thing" top posting is getting tiresome. I hear there are night school
classes which teach Outlook Express or whichever braindead mailer you are
using.)"
Damn are you grumpy Tim May. Whaddya usin', carrier pigeon to down
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> > 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
> > routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing and
admin traffic. Name services
"its possible I am wrong and there is a wonderful distributed-computing
method to solve these purely network routing problems, but it is news to
me."
I just don't see how a single WiFi cloud will be able to scale very far. All
the WiFi users within "eyeshot" of each other are always going to con
> 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
> routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
> ranges start to become a scarce resource.
Not so. Self-organasing mesh networks appear to have some interesting
properties. There is a number of o
Morlock Elloi wrote:
> Not so. Self-organasing mesh networks appear to have some interesting
> properties. There is a number of open solutions and at least one
> startup I know about based on this.
fascinating - I obviously have a lot of reading to do - thankyou :)
"The vast majority of people are not interested in 'getting along' or 'live
and let live', they are interested in creating an environment where the
acceptable views and activities are limited (usually pretty severely). This
problem will only become more clear as the differences in the potential
On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 05:23 PM, Tyler Durden wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, most strife boils down to the perceived
economic interests of the concerned parties, and apparently
ehtnic/religious/whatever differences are just a mask for these
simpler problems. As a big for instance,
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>
>>> 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start
>>> to need routers and name services that are relatively expensive,
>>> and ip address
> Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing
> and
> > Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing
> > and admin traffic. Name services? Who needs name services? Localhost
> > is sufficient for a prefix to an address namepace.
> without routing and name services, you have what amounts to a propriatory
> NAT solution - no way
On Saturday, November 30, 2002, at 07:05 PM, Tyler Durden wrote:
"(Tyler Durden, _please_ learn to trim your replies. Your "quote the
entire thing" top posting is getting tiresome. I hear there are night
school classes which teach Outlook Express or whichever braindead
mailer you are using.)"
Jim Choate wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> The scaling problem is a valid one up to a point. The others are not.
> The biggest problem is people trying to do distributed computing using
> non-distributed os'es (eg *nix clones and Microsloth).
not as such, no. the vast majority of "
Jim Choate wrote:
>
> With regard to completeness, I have Godel's paper ("On Formally
> Undecidable Propositions of Principia Mathematica and Related Systems", K.
> Godel, ISBN 0-486-66980-7 (Dover), $7 US) and if somebody happens to know
> the section where he defines completeness I'll be happy t
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
> Jim Choate wrote:
> >
> > With regard to completeness, I have Godel's paper ("On Formally
> > Undecidable Propositions of Principia Mathematica and Related Systems", K.
> > Godel, ISBN 0-486-66980-7 (Dover), $7 US) and if somebody happens to know
>
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/11/21/yourtech.wifis/index.html
> Its a nice idea, but unfortunately gets easily bitten by the usual
> networking bugbears
> 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
> routers and name services
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Yeah, the paper originates from NYC, called Shi Chie Re Bau (in Pin Yin, I
> believe). This translates (roughly) "World Journal". The article got thrown
> out, otherwise I'd attempt a translation.
> >On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
> >
> > > In
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/11/21/yourtech.wifis/index.html
Its a nice idea, but unfortunately gets easily bitten by the usual
networking bugbears
1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
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