Re: One time pads

2002-10-19 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:52 PM 10/17/2002 -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: I have a working OTP system on $40 64 Mb USB flash disk on my keychain. Cute. Is it available? $39 + tax in Fry's. I don't mean the disk - there are lots of those. I mean your software. Also, can your tool use floppies instead of USB keys?

Re: One time pads

2002-10-19 Thread Bill Stewart
At 02:04 PM 10/17/2002 +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: It is important to note that currently NMR bases systems only allow for 6 qubits. Only very recently we're getting practical qubits in solid state. . Everybody realizes that we're discussing currently completely theoretical vulnerabilities,

Re: One time pads

2002-10-18 Thread Bill Stewart
At 12:16 PM 10/17/2002 -0700, Morlock Elloi wrote: I have a working OTP system on $40 64 Mb USB flash disk on my keychain. Cute. Is it available? How do you prevent other applications from reading the file off your USB disk, either while your application is using it or some other time? That's

Re: One time pads

2002-10-17 Thread David Howe
at Wednesday, October 16, 2002 6:13 PM, Bill Frantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: OTP is also good when: (1) You can solve the key distribution problem. Its certainly usable provided key distribution isn't an issue - if it is also worth the trouble and expense is another matter. (2) You

Re: One time pads

2002-10-17 Thread David Howe
at Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:17 PM, David E. Weekly [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: As for PKI being secure for 20,000 years, it sure as hell won't be if those million-qubit prototypes turn out to be worth their salt. I wasn't aware they even had a dozen-qbit prototypes functional yet -

Re: One time pads

2002-10-17 Thread Morlock Elloi
Pretty much, yes. at least one real world OTP system assumes you will be using three CDRW disks; the three are xored (as you say) together, I have a working OTP system on $40 64 Mb USB flash disk on my keychain. The disk mounts on windoze and macs, and also contains all s/w required to

Re: One time pads

2002-10-17 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:20 PM 10/16/2002 -0400, Sam Ritchie wrote: ACTUALLY, quantum computing does more than just halve the effective key length. With classical computing, the resources required to attack a given key grow exponentially with key length. (a 128-bit key has 2^128 possibilities, 129 has 2^129,

RE: One time pads

2002-10-16 Thread Trei, Peter
David E. Weekly[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Naive question here, but what if you made multiple one time pads (XORing them all together to get your true key) and then sent the different pads via different mechanisms (one via FedEx, one via secure courier, one via your best friend)? Unless *all

Re: One time pads

2002-10-16 Thread Bill Frantz
At 7:52 AM -0700 10/16/02, David Howe wrote: OTP is the best choice for something that must be secret for all time, no matter what the expense. anything that secure for 20,000 years will be sufficient for, go for PKI instead :) OTP is also good when: (1) You can solve the key distribution

Re: One time pads

2002-10-16 Thread David Howe
, they may not have time to exchange tapes securely; unless there is a airplane link directly or indirectly between the sites, it may be days or weeks in transit. can some one answer the issues involved that one time pads is not a good choice. OTP is the best choice for something that must be secret

Re: One time pads

2002-10-16 Thread David E. Weekly
Naive question here, but what if you made multiple one time pads (XORing them all together to get your true key) and then sent the different pads via different mechanisms (one via FedEx, one via secure courier, one via your best friend)? Unless *all* were compromised, the combined key would still

One time pads

2002-10-16 Thread Sarad AV
hi, An extract frm this months cryptogram goes as below. On the other hand, if you ever find a product that actually uses a one-time pad, it is almost certainly unusable and/or insecure. So, let me summarize. One-time pads are useless

RE: One time pads and Quantum Computers

2002-10-16 Thread Bill Stewart
David E. Weekly[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] As for PKI being secure for 20,000 years, it sure as hell won't be if those million-qubit prototypes turn out to be worth their salt. Think more like 5-10 years. In fact, just about everything except for OTP solutions will be totally, totally

Re: One time pads and Quantum Computers

2002-10-16 Thread David E. Weekly
David E. Weekly[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Which means that you should start thinking about using OTP *now* if you have secrets you'd like to keep past when an adversary of yours might have access to a quantum computer. ... OTPs won't help a bit for that problem. They're fine for

Re: One time pads

2002-10-16 Thread Sam Ritchie
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 'David E. Weekly' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: One time pads David E. Weekly[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Naive question here, but what if you made multiple one time pads (XORing them all together to get your true key) and then sent the different pads via different mechanisms