RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-20 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:18 PM 12/19/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: [on onion routing POTS] trace that call, or payment for that matter. So if bin Laden were feelin' lonely one day and signed onto the network, you could give him a call, without him worrying about the missles falling within a few minutes. -TD If

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-20 Thread Tyler Durden
feelin' lonely one day and signed onto the network, you could give him a call, without him worrying about the missles falling within a few minutes. -TD From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: The killer app for encryption Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:42:01 -0800 At 03

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-20 Thread Bill Frantz
At 12:16 PM -0800 12/18/03, Jim Dixon wrote: Voice telephony requires delays measured in tens of milliseconds. A bit difficult if you also want encryption, anonymity, etc. Voice memo (messaging) systems are a way around this limitation. I don't know of any that exist. (Encrypted to

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-19 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:16 PM 12/18/03 +, Jim Dixon wrote: What exactly do you mean by peered IP telephony? Voice telephony requires delays measured in tens of milliseconds. A bit difficult if you also want encryption, anonymity, etc. The problem handling the delay comes with the network, not the

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-19 Thread Morlock Elloi
Because it means you can complete call to the POTs with no company-controlled switch involved, meaning no where to serve a court order. Since the call could be routed through a few intermediate nodes and I see. So, in the real world, X uses this to make telephone threats, your POTS gets

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:14 PM 12/18/2003, Morlock Elloi wrote: What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS However, I don't see people letting others use their POTS lines, nor I see them using their own for this

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Schear
At 03:47 PM 12/18/2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 08:16 PM 12/18/03 +, Jim Dixon wrote: What exactly do you mean by peered IP telephony? What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS certified

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:57 PM 12/18/2003, Morlock Elloi wrote: Because it means you can complete call to the POTs with no company-controlled switch involved, meaning no where to serve a court order. Since the call could be routed through a few intermediate nodes and I see. So, in the real world, X uses this

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-19 Thread Morlock Elloi
What I'd like to see is a P2P telephony that also supports end-user gateways to the POTS. I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS I don't get what does this have to do with crypto. Outside crypto, this didn't quite work with (almost) public fax gateways of '90s. In theory, you could

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Tyler Durden
Uh...I assume you're quoting somebody here? The last point is actually a very good one, but getting there requires hacking through gobbledeegook. What's this all businessmen silliness? And using vpns WITHIN a company? As an employee of a major Wall Street firm, I can tell you that's completely

RE: The killer app for encryption

2003-12-18 Thread Jim Dixon
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: I'm very interested in hearing about whether any P2P networks support encrypted transactions of any sort yet (ie, can one yet pay for some files via P2P)? Are there any P2P Networks being designed deliberately to support anything/everything, including