Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-04 Thread Peter Gutmann
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (I bought _one_ lottery ticket, for $1, just to see how the numbers were done. Lotteries are of course a tax on the gullible and stupid.) A friend of mine likes to say that lotteries are a tax on stupidity: The dumber you are, the more tax you have to pay.

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-04 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, November 4, 2003, at 04:06 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (I bought _one_ lottery ticket, for $1, just to see how the numbers were done. Lotteries are of course a tax on the gullible and stupid.) A friend of mine likes to say that lotteries are a tax on

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-03 Thread ken
Major Variola (ret) wrote: Currently voting is trusted because political adversaries supervise the process. Previously the mechanics were, well, mechanical, ie, open for inspection. That really is worth saying more often. If we here can't agree on how to make machine voting both robust and

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-03 Thread John Washburn
Variola (ret); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chaumian blinding public voting? On Friday 31 October 2003 12:10 pm, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Is is possible to use blinding (or other protocols) so that all votes are published, you can check that your vote is in there, and you (or anyone) can run

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-03 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 02:44 AM, ken wrote: Major Variola (ret) wrote: Currently voting is trusted because political adversaries supervise the process. Previously the mechanics were, well, mechanical, ie, open for inspection. That really is worth saying more often. If we here can't

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-03 Thread Tim May
On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 02:44 AM, ken wrote: If we here can't agree on how to make machine voting both robust and private, then EVEN IF A PERFECT SYSTEM COULD BE DESIGNED it is extremely unlikely that a large number of people could be persuaded that it /was/ perfect. So if public

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-02 Thread Neil Johnson
On Friday 31 October 2003 10:55 pm, Tim May wrote: .. (Standard Tim May Anyone who doesn't agree with me deserves to die a horrible death rant) ... --Tim May I figured that was coming. Chuckle. -- Neil Johnson http://www.njohnsn.com PGP key available on request.

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-02 Thread Neil Johnson
On Friday 31 October 2003 12:10 pm, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Is is possible to use blinding (or other protocols) so that all votes are published, you can check that your vote is in there, and you (or anyone) can run the maths and verify the vote? Without being able to link people to votes

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-02 Thread Steve Furlong
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 23:55, Tim May wrote: Increasing voter turnout is, of course, a Bad Thing. For the reasons we discuss so often. Agreed. To the extent that I want a government at all, I support a constitutional republic, not a democracy. Legions of bleary-eyed, TV-addled, bigoted

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
First, much thanks to Howie Goodell for his reply. (Note that printing stuff on transparencies was proposed (by Shamir?) some time ago, perhaps for quorum-required info.) At 09:17 PM 10/31/03 -0600, Neil Johnson wrote: On Friday 31 October 2003 12:10 pm, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Is is

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-02 Thread howiegoodell
Hello -- David Chaum has a new system that is an optical one-time pad. It requires a printer that prints squares on both sides of a transparent 2-layer ballot. To the voter it looks like ordinary printing with a solid black border. Then s/he separates the layers, hands one in for counting

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-02 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Tim May wrote: Or should we just add 20 of the remaining 30 list subscribers here to the list of 25 million in these united states who need to be sent up the chimneys? Works for me. Do we actually have 30 subscribers left? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Chaumian blinding public voting?

2003-11-02 Thread Tim May
On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 07:17 PM, Neil Johnson wrote: On Friday 31 October 2003 12:10 pm, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Is is possible to use blinding (or other protocols) so that all votes are published, you can check that your vote is in there, and you (or anyone) can run the maths and