Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-24 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Justin wrote: Jim Dixon (2003-12-19 13:30Z) wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: In a nutshell, our Constitution *recognizes* universal human rights. It does not *establish* these rights. If we are going to be faithful to this premise, physical

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-22 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 19 Dec 2003 at 21:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's bullshit. Saddam was told by our Chick ambassador (I can't remember her name) that the US had no interest in his dispute with Kuwait, in effect giving Saddam a green light. Commie lie

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-22 Thread David Crookes
On Friday 19 December 2003 20:35, James A. Donald wrote: In fact Glaspie told Saddam that if he invaded Kuwait, the shit would hit the fan. (That was not her words. Her words were subject of concern, Cite? The google groups article you linked to has two links to possible transcripts.

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-20 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 19 Dec 2003 at 21:21, Steve Schear wrote: I have direct instructions from the President to seek better relations with Iraq. [] Our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts like your border disagreement

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-20 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:37 PM 12/19/2003, you wrote: In a message dated 12/19/2003 3:38:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Saddam was warned that if he took Kuwait, terrible consequences might well follow. That's bullshit. Saddam was told by our Chick ambassador (I can't remember her name)

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Jim Dixon wrote: SNIP Why does the US military have to treat them as though they had US constitutional rights? They are not citizens or physically present in the United States. In a nutshell, our Constitution *recognizes* universal human rights. It does not *establish*

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread Jim Dixon
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a nutshell, our Constitution *recognizes* universal human rights. It does not *establish* these rights. If we are going to be faithful to this premise, physical location is a non-sequitor. This is a valid and probably commendable

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread Jim Dixon
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: Why does the US military have to treat them as though they had US constitutional rights? They are not citizens or physically present in the United States. In a nutshell, our Constitution *recognizes* universal human rights. It does not

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread Freematt357
In a message dated 12/19/2003 8:33:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: Why does the US military have to treat them as though they had US constitutional rights? They are not citizens or physically present in the United States. In a

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread cubic-dog
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003, Jim Dixon wrote: The cost for politicians mandating such a policy would be equally high: they would be out of office and facing criminal charges themselves. No, I think they would be dead. At first opportunity. Or at least, I like to think so.

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread Justin
Jim Dixon (2003-12-19 13:30Z) wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, J.A. Terranson wrote: In a nutshell, our Constitution *recognizes* universal human rights. It does not *establish* these rights. If we are going to be faithful to this premise, physical location is a non-sequitor. This is a

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread Michael Kalus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The US has global hegemony because in reality its policies are reasonable, because it isn't worth anyone's while to try to oppose it. that I would like to oppose. It is rather the fact that in the past it wasn't very feasible. The world is

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 19 Dec 2003 at 10:57, Steve Schear wrote: [Jim, don't you ever do a bit of research on historical topics before spouting off? Google is your friend. Use it.] From Ramsey Clark's excellent The Fire This Time. http://www.firethistime.org/linesscript.htm TRACK 3 : LINES IN THE SAND

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:19 AM 12/19/2003, Jim Dixon wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Saddam had been less of an idiot, if he had left Kuwait alone, he would be relaxing in one of his palaces today and his sons would be out snatching women off the street, torturing people who had annoyed them

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 19 Dec 2003 at 10:57, Steve Schear wrote: Saddam Hussein summoned US Ambassador Glaspie and asked her to clarify the American position. I have direct instructions from the President to seek better relations with Iraq. […] Our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-19 Thread Michael Kalus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This green light story is a commie lie (originally a Baathist lie, but these days mostly repeated by commies) I take it then that the heroic rescue of Private Jessica Lynch is also the truth, while the story about the use of excessive (and

Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-17 Thread Jim Dixon
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In response to such damning reports, the Administration contends that the detainees are dangerous terrorists and thus do not deserve any legal protections, much less liberal sympathies. But after two years of investigations at the camp, the

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-17 Thread Michael Kalus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 17-Dec-03, at 5:43 PM, Jim Dixon wrote: According to the US Government though they are not soldiers. They are unlawful enemy combattants. I can only interpret this as your saying that the US Government's judgement in this issue is correct,

Re: Sunny Guantanamo (Re: Speaking of the Geneva convention)

2003-12-17 Thread Michael Kalus
Jim Dixon wrote: If the prisoners at Guantanamo are POWs, why should they be charged with crimes? It is no crime to be an enemy soldier. According to the US Government though they are not soldiers. They are unlawful enemy combattants. However, customary practice is to lock POWs up until