Re: Walker: NAT means you are a consumer, not a peer

2003-09-22 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 02:56:30AM +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote: > Not entirely. Sourceforge projects can be roughly divided to two > categories: maintained, and unmaintained. :) When Walker announced SF's EOL he mentioned lack of successor developers capable of filling his shoes. Since then, uns

Re: Walker: NAT means you are a consumer, not a peer

2003-09-21 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Peter Gutmann wrote: > >>Also Speak Freely maintenance is ending. > >Not really. The project is moved to Sourceforge. > Isn't that synonymous with "Speak Freely maintenance is ending"? Not entirely. Sourceforge projects can be roughly divided to two categories: maintained, an

Re: Walker: NAT means you are a consumer, not a peer

2003-09-21 Thread Peter Gutmann
Thomas Shaddack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>Also Speak Freely maintenance is ending. > >Not really. The project is moved to Sourceforge. Isn't that synonymous with "Speak Freely maintenance is ending"? Peter :-).

Re: Walker: NAT means you are a consumer, not a peer

2003-09-21 Thread Thomas Shaddack
> (from /.) http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/eol/ > has a good rant by John Walker on how NAT turns > users into consumers. That's partially true, but the situation isn't that bad yet, and there are countermeasures available for some cases. See eg. http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~baford/nat/draft-fo

Walker: NAT means you are a consumer, not a peer

2003-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret.)
(from /.) http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/eol/ has a good rant by John Walker on how NAT turns users into consumers. Also Speak Freely maintenance is ending. Sic transit unix to PC secure vox. Note that PGPfone devel ended a while ago, unsupporting PC to Mac secvox. Nautilus is AFAIK PC to PC