Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 01:11 PM 8/26/03 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: PS: Anyone else getting tired of the term terror? Back when we all hated You're out of the loop. Here's how you play the propoganda drinking game: You and a friend get a bottle of whatever and watch a Bush speech. *You* drink whenever he says terror; *she* drinks whenever he says freedom. If he says warlord, constitution, regime or WoMD you both drink. If he says occupation, election, oil or Quisling you skip a drink. If he mentions viet nam or guerilla you take 2 drinks. Whoever is left standing gets to clean up.
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
At 1:07 PM -0400 8/26/03, Adam Shostack wrote: John, you write like a Republican speechwriter on a bad trip. Give him *all* of Ben Stein's money... :-). But then, later on, he says this... On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:45:55PM -0700, John Young wrote: Markets suck, that's what makes them so appealing to bloodsuckers of addled customers, and moreso to vulture investors. I'm sooo confused... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 05:23, Bill Stewart wrote: Nah - who's afraid of Democrats? Branch Davidians, perhaps. Elian Gonzales's Florida relatives. Dems themselves tend to be pathetic wankers, but you gotta admit they're adept at using the state's monopoly power on force. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that these people have these weapons at all! -- Rep. Henry Waxman
Re: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
I caught some of that... I think he means suck in the blowjob sense... i.e. a good form of suck... the same it's desirable to have an S.O that does suck. :^) --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ --*--:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, R. A. Hettinga wrote: Give him *all* of Ben Stein's money... :-). But then, later on, he says this... On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 12:45:55PM -0700, John Young wrote: Markets suck, that's what makes them so appealing to bloodsuckers of addled customers, and moreso to vulture investors. I'm sooo confused...
Re: CDR: domestic terrorism, fat lazy amerikans ducks
On 2003-08-25, Major Variola (ret.) uttered: As expected, animal and environmental activists are now being called terrorists. In many cases, that's an exaggeration. In some, it isn't. Animal rights activists don't normally resort to the kinds of violence, say, anti-abortionists do, but they do systematically disrupt certain sectors of peaceful commerce, like the fur industry. That sort of terror is focused enough not to cause the wider public to react, but it does hurt you very, very badly if you've pegged your livelihood to said industry. At least around these parts some people have actually met personal bankruptcy because of the interference. Few sane people would go with the current anti-terrorism legislation, even when it's meant to counter real terror. Personally I'd rather see some anti-gun use legislation rolled back, so that you could teach your friendly ALF representative a lesson if he's dumb enough to meddle with your foxhouse. -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front openpgp: 050985C2/025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2
Re: [cta@hcsin.net: Re: CNN: 'Explores Possibility that Power Outage is Related to Internet Worm']
Eric Murray wrote: Food for thought and grounds for further research: - Forwarded message from Bernie, CTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: bugtraq.list-id.securityfocus.com List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: moderator for [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Bernie, CTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: HCSIN To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:09:12 -0400 Subject: Re: CNN: 'Explores Possibility that Power Outage is Related to Internet Worm' Priority: normal In-reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.11) It is ridiculous to accept that a lightning strike could knock out the grid, or the transmission system is over stressed. There are many redundant fault, limit and Voltage-Surge Protection safeguards and related instrumentation and switchgear installed at the distribution centers and sub stations along the Power Grid that would have tripped to prevent or otherwise divert such a major outage. Yeah, ridiculous. So who remembers what caused the last major power outage in NY? (Hint: it wasn't _one_ lightning strike). -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit. - Robert Woodruff
Re: Slashdot | Florida Proposes Taxing Local LANs (fwd)
At 08:54 AM 08/26/2003 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: I don't get it -- exactly what do they think they would be taxing? 9% of what? The bits and bytes that flow thru? The owners already paid a sales tax on the hardware, or is this like a yearly property tax? Bizarre! The standard joke about how you tell a computer salesman from a used car salesman is that the car salesman knows when he's lying. These incompetents like taxing things, but if they don't know what they technology is about, they *really* *really* shouldn't propose special taxes on it until they know how to count the objects they want to tax. A LAN isn't just hardware (which as you say the purchasers buy sales tax on), it's also the labor involved in installing it (which they've already charged income tax on, if it was explicitly paid for) and the labor involved in operating it (which also gets income tax collected on it.) And the prices of any of the hardware except the wire keeps dropping rapidly. In the last 15 years, we've gone from $2000 1-megabit 1baseT hubs to $20 100-meg hubs, and $1500 VAX and VME cards to $59 GigE cards and $5 100baseT cards. And how do you count the interface cards that are built in to most PCs these days? And does Wireless count as a LAN? And if it does, can you add a directional antenna and make it a WAN to avoid the tax? And is this only for LANs in businesses? Or also for LANs at home? Or is this really an excuse for the LAN Tax Police to go around with scanners trying to detect people who didn't register their LANs when they were buying that Cat5 cable at the grocery store, the way the BBC Police used to go hunting for Brits who hadn't paid their television taxes? (Probably not - this seems like a clear case of incompetence rather than malice - but it *is* the state where Jeb Bush is governor.)
Re: [cta@hcsin.net: Re: CNN: 'Explores Possibility that Power Outage is Related to Internet Worm']
Indeed: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0334/barrett.php http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0334/mondo1.php http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0334/cotts.php --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ --*--:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Ben Laurie wrote: Yeah, ridiculous. So who remembers what caused the last major power outage in NY? (Hint: it wasn't _one_ lightning strike).
spam blacklists and lne CDR
Hi. The last couple days I've gotten a lot of mail bounces from cpunks subscribers who are blocking lne.com because it's on the osirusoft spam blacklist. There is no way to get off this list; in fact the site appears to be down. Lne.com doesn't send spam; I don't know why we are on this list. My guess is that it's becase we're listed on a couple other extreme blacklists that blacklist entire networks that are owned by ISPs that the list operator does not like. If you or your ISP uses this blacklist, I have no choice but to drop you from the lne cdr lest my mailbox drown in reject messages. I have mixed feelings about blacklists-- I've had to implement one here so we didn't drown in spam and it seems to work reasonably well. But lists that 1) don't let you get off and 2) list sites to pressure them to change ISPs don't get much respect from me, and neither do the ISPs that blindly use them. Eric
Some new problems uncovered for short latency mixes
Probabilistic Analysis of Anonymity by Vitaly Shmatikov Abstract: We present a formal analysis technique for probabilistic security properties of peer-to-peer communication systems based on random message routing among members. The behavior of group members and the adversary is modeled as a discrete-time Markov chain, and security properties are expressed as PCTL formulas. To illustrate feasibility of the approach, we model the Crowds system for anonymous Web browsing, and use a probabilistic model checker, PRISM, to perform automated analysis of the system... http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/shmatikov02probabilistic.html ...for every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong. -- H.L. Mencken
