Re: Engineers in U.S. vs. India
--- Jim Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Meaning that 150,000 engineers are employed in Bangalore? Does this include software engineers, HTML coders, programmers, computer scientists? Computer scientists are very few. Most engineering colleges and teachers emphasis simple on coding. If you know c/c++/oracle etc.. and good analytical skills and communication skills- one can get a job in bangalore if you have a computer engg. degree. The math education system from schools to colleges is pathetic. They simply give us the final formula,they dont bother to derive the equation or give any insight or intution of the problem. Most south indian students are weak at math. I see Steve Mynott's comment. Thats the cream,who usually emigrate. You get to see some of the very best. Does it include say railway engineers, truck mechanics, the guy who fixes your air conditioning? no,they don't.These are usual who do diploma. These people in india have better practial experience and aptitude than engineers. Software engineers are given a proper degree by the university. In the same vein, what does 'techie' mean in the article quoted? When the article says that Bangalore has a lead of 20,000 techies over California, exactly what is this supposed to mean? It would mean that bangalore has around 16000 to 17000 programmers.The other 3000 would be computer scientists.By computer scientists,I mean those people who has indepth knowledge of theory of algorithms,more of theorotical computer science.They can present you with the final algorithm and all the others have to do is code it. Sarath. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus
Re: Engineers in U.S. vs. India
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 18:36, Steve Mynott wrote: Jim Dixon wrote: The term 'software engineer' is becoming less common in the States these days. I have watched the job title wax and wane for more than twenty five years. I think that it was most fashionable in the early 1980s. Any Americans care to comment on this? In the mid-1980s, the US Department of Defense, at the time the largest software customer in the world, told its vendors that 10% (I think) of their software development staff must be software engineers. Along came the HR fairies with their magic wands and poof! almost all software developers were software engineers. The SE job title has ebbed and flowed, as Jim said. It means little other than programmer in the US. As Jim said in another message, almost all states restrict the use of the term engineer to those who are licensed. But most don't really enforce that rule, so HR departments are free to give their programming staff the glorious title. However, contrary to Jim's statement, Texas does license software engineers. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_engineering .) I don't know if any other states license SEs. Regards, SRF, degreed Software Engineer (hooray, me)
US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment
The great American experiment finally fizzled on December 1, 2003, when the US Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from a 9th Federal Circuit decision which gutted the Second Amendment. It was a nice run - over two hundred years. As of December 1, 2003, the US Supreme Court issued its ruling, refusing to hear an appeal in the case of Silveira vs. Lockyer. That made Silveira the law of the land, you see. You might think that the Silveria case was about the definition of an “assault weapon” but you’d be mistaken. In Silveira, the 9th Circuit Court made the following pronouncement: there is no individual right to bear arms contained within the Second Amendment to the US Constitution. That means that no American citizen, since December 1, 2003, has a fundamental right to possess a firearm. http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/arms.htm http://www.keepandbeararms.com/Mancus/silveira.asp Gun enthusiasts (especially those who are members of the National Rifle Association http://www.nra.org and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership http://www.jpfo.org) may have now reached a crossroads. They have spent years and hundreds of millions of dollars lobbying politicians and the public to support their view that in the US the right to own firearms is granted to individuals and not state militias (a view I completely support). But now, with the Supreme Court refusing to hear their appeal of the 9th Circuit decision in Silveira v. Lockyer, they are faced with the likelihood that Congress and state leglislatures will feel free to further restrict gun ownership, perhaps even eliminate it over time, as has happened in other countries. Further appeals to Congress and the states are no longer a sure bet. The soap box and the ballot box have been throughly tried, is it now time to get out the ammo box?
Re: Engineers in U.S. vs. India
Steve Mynott wrote: Jim Dixon wrote: The term 'engineer' is far from precise; in the UK most people who work with tools can be called engineers but people who write software generally are NOT called engineers. There are further complications: for example, in I have had jobs as a software engineer in the UK and since the dot com bubble this hasn't been an uncommon job title. The UK tends to follow US fashions very closely importing in titles like CEO and CTO and the term software engineer is no different. Yes, but... the word engineer as used here by most people measns someone who fixes machines. If I go to somebody's ofice and they say that I'm the engineer pride makes me say no. I'm not an engineer, I'm a programmer. Different think entirely If I had to describe what I do I'd call myself a systems programmer, even though that isn't exactly what my job title is. I'd avoid the word engineer because to most people it implies the bloke of the street who knows how to put a replacement PC card in, but to a few it implies some professional status and formal discipline, neither of which I have had anythign to do with.
Re: Engineers in U.S. vs. India
At 01:27 PM 1/6/04 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: Try building and finding a place to launch an amateur rocket (it can be done, but now only with the greatest of regulatory red tape). I did. Some of my group's rockets achieved heights over 100,000 ft (confirmed by Edward's AFB radar.) Yeah, but could they track an IR source :-)
Current Operational Nodes?
Cross posting on multiple nodes since none seem reliable. Now that LNE is shutting down ... are there actually any other reliable operational nodes? Have subscribed to minder.net, algebra.com, and ds.pro-ns.net all in the last two weeks to no avail. Some return subscribed message but never forward actual traffic (just spam). Think I actually got one or two operational messages from algebra but thats it. Do we want another node? I can throw one up if wanted / needed / trusted (being a contractor for 'the man' and all such bullshit jazz) or do we just want to let this list die? Not a big fan of newsgroups. If wanted, will host offsite on a non-gov commercial server. Personal politics aside, its an enjoyable list to lurk on :) -Peter
