On topic!

2002-10-13 Thread Ryan Sorensen
Talking to someone who was at the legendary cypherpunks anniversary bbq. He brought up the fact that someone there was talking about private hedonistic cells (any errors are mine, not his, and whoever talked about this, if they have any more thoughts on the matter, please feel free to email me.)

Re: why bother signing? (was Re: What email encryption is actually in use?)

2002-10-13 Thread Julian Assange
There have been episodes of spoofing on this list. If client side encryption just worked, and if what is considerably more difficult, checking the signatures just worked, there would be no bother, hence it would be rational to sign Not just work but opt out is what you are looking for. If

Re: US developing untraceable weapons

2002-10-13 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, there was also some other details left out by that article. A 100kW beam doesn't tell you very much if you don't know the beam diameter. A 1310nm telecom laser can cause serious eye damage with 10mW, but that's 10mW into, say 38 um^2. But it ain't going to do nothing to enemy aircraft

Re: was: Echelon-like resources..

2002-10-13 Thread Tyler Durden
Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual deaths were one night watchman, not tens of thousands, Well, you haven't given me a very convincing argument here. In most of his writings, Chomsky makes it clear that the deaths were not due to the bomb, but the loss of medicine (such as penecillin)

Re: US developing untraceable weapons

2002-10-13 Thread Steve Schear
At 10:17 PM 10/12/2002 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, there was also some other details left out by that article. A 100kW beam doesn't tell you very much if you don't know the beam diameter. It tells you the output power, from which one may estimate input power requirements. A 1310nm

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: And indeed, in a world where most messages are fairly weakly encrypted, bursts of strongly-encrypted messages will stand out all the more and possibly flag the need for other methods of investigation. Doesn't figure: while it's easy to screen for

Keep off the rolls

2002-10-13 Thread Matthew X
Experian threatens to sue in electoral roll row 'In a growing battle over privacy rights, Experian, Britain's biggest credit reference agency, is threatening legal action against local authorities refusing to release information held on the electoral roll. An Experian spokesman said: A number

Re: US developing untraceable weapons

2002-10-13 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:10 PM 10/11/2002 -0700, Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Theres no huge explosion associated with its employment, there are no pieces and parts left behind that someone can analyze to say, this came from the United States, explains an unnamed Lockheed Martin official quoted in

Re: was: Echelon-like resources..

2002-10-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Sunder wrote: Of course, for all you and I really know that could have been an Anthrax factory cleverly disguised as as a pharmaceuticals factory, but we can put up rethorical questions and answers such as these for the next millenia and not get anywhere either.

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-13 Thread Tyler Durden
And of course you can package 'strong' encryption into a 'weak' encryption envelope, so you will only know that 'strong' encryption has been used after you've broken the 'weak' envelope. Oh yeah. Interesting. Of course, this would be done only if the sender knew or supected how mass-scanning

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-13 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: And of course you can package 'strong' encryption into a 'weak' encryption envelope, so you will only know that 'strong' encryption has been used after you've broken the 'weak' envelope. Oh yeah. Interesting. Of course, this would be done only if

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-10-13 Thread Kevin Elliott
-- James A. Donald Increasingly however, we see smartcard interfaces sold for PCs. What for, I wonder? On 24 Sep 2002 at 1:41, Bill Stewart wrote: I'm not convinced that the number of people selling them is closely related to the number of people buying; this could be another

Re: was: Echelon-like resources..

2002-10-13 Thread James Donald
--- Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you haven't given me a very convincing argument here. In most of his writings, Chomsky makes it clear that the deaths were not due to the bomb, but the loss of medicine (such as penecillin) in Sudan's only pharmecuetical factory. As those

Re: Usenet vs. web for avoiding censorship

2002-10-13 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:01 PM 10/11/2002 -0400, Steve Furlong wrote: There are two advantages of web-based discussion fora over usenet: propagation time and firewalls. On the other hand, few discussions are so urgent that they need near-real-time reparte, and participants shouldn't be cruising usenet from work.

Re: was: Echelon-like resources..

2002-10-13 Thread James Donald
Sunder: Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual deaths were one night watchman, not tens of thousands, and he asserted that the Sudanese government are the good guys in the civil war, and their opponents terrorists. James A. Donald: And how many of their citizens have or

Re: What good are smartcard readers for PCs

2002-10-13 Thread Kevin Elliott
Hey don't forget you can still buy a smart card reader from that most cypherpunkish of babes BRITNEY SPEARS ! Only $30 ! https://www.visiblevisitors.com/mltest/order_form.asp -- _ Remember Kids- Somebody tries to kill you, you try and kill'em

Re: was: Echelon-like resources..

2002-10-13 Thread Bill Stewart
Our bombing of the sudanese pharmacuetical factory? Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual deaths were one night watchman, not tens of thousands, If so, that's gross incompetence on the part of the US military, since the official rationale for why we were cruise-missiling it was that we

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-13 Thread Bill Stewart
packaging strong crypto inside weak crypto At 01:06 PM 10/13/2002 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: Oh yeah. Interesting. Of course, this would be done only. if the sender knew or supected how mass-scanning might be done. And so the existence of another level of heavier encryption ... might be a tip off

Re: Echelon-like resources...

2002-10-13 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 10:52 AM -0700 on 10/13/02, Bill Stewart wrote: (You may not remember, but there was a program from fortify.net that fixed 40-bit implementations of Netscape, and there was even a one-liner Javascript signature-line program that let you set Netscape to use 128 bits... Not to mention the

License to POP3 (was Re: Usenet vs. web for avoiding censorship)

2002-10-13 Thread Morlock Elloi
The main difference, the axis along which one classifies maillists/usenet/weblogs is the control. On usenet, once the site agrees to carry a newsgroup, you have many entry points and automatic distribution that is next to impossible to choke (other than with noise.) Maillists are more

Re: On topic!

2002-10-13 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, October 13, 2002, at 01:16 AM, Ryan Sorensen wrote: Talking to someone who was at the legendary cypherpunks anniversary bbq. He brought up the fact that someone there was talking about private hedonistic cells (any errors are mine, not his, and whoever talked about this, if