Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Dave Howe
Sunder wrote: Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero gravity... uh huh. Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but the shuttle was on its way *down*. Why would they be bringing

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Sunder
Far more than likely, the truth is closer that the Space Shuttles have been performing ultra sensitive spy work - launching new spy satelites, or repairing them, and may have pieces of spy satelites on them. Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the shuttle to do

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 05:42 PM, Dave Howe wrote: Sunder wrote: Let's see, we're going into war with Iraq, and we're sending up the shuttle to do experiments on how furry weavols behave under zero gravity... uh huh. Lothe though I am to shed doubt on your consipiracy theories - but

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:19 AM 02/02/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote: Journalists may as well be saying the above, saying that shuttle debris has evil spirits which can come out if the debris is touched. They're also saying that Feds will come and arrest you if you touch them. You'll have to draw your own conclusions

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Steve Thompson
--- Eric Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Feb I'm not sure which is more irritating-- the obvious way in which the govermedia manipulate the issue, or their automatic assumption that americans are too stupid/criminal to turn in all the parts they find if NASA just said we need all

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Eric Murray
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 10:19:27AM -0800, Tim May wrote: A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly

Apparently search warrants are not needed to enter property if NASA wants to

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
Watching some of the news coverage of the search (from the aptly named Palestine, Texas), it's clear that no search warrants are being gotten for the debris searchers to enter farms, yards, backyards, corporation lands, ranches, etc. The cameras show them simply vaulting fences and looking for

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-03 Thread Bill Frantz
At 8:27 PM -0800 2/2/03, Steve Schear wrote: As some friends in the U.S. space program had privately predicted, and the New York Times is today reporting, unless the problem with the Shuttle can be quickly identified and convincingly rectified to worried legislators, the International Space

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 08:27:06PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: I can't imagine that it would be so difficult to construct a small, remotely-controlled, gyro stabilized, tethered probe that would be carried on all shuttle missions and could be deployed from the cargo bay to closely inspect

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Sunder
Think upgrading of circuit boards. Remove old board, insert new board for example. Leaving the old board circling around may not be a good thing. Just for example. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread John Kelsey
At 10:19 AM 2/2/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... Speaking of journalists, why does Wolf Blitzer repeat this obvious lie about the metal bits and pieces being tainted by evil spirits? Because these so-called journalists are stooges for the state. Well, the bit about 18 times the speed of light, and

Re: Shuttle Humor

2003-02-03 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Eric Cordian wrote: The look on your fellow astronauts' faces right before the grenade you are holding explodes --PRICELESS Please. If we're going to toss around conspiracy theories, let's make sure they are sane. I am having a hard time imagining a

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
Yeah, I got the same thing. When I went to do a group reply, it had no CC:, just Steve. I've been noticing the same thing with Declan's messages. Weird. On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 11:15:19PM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Ralph Seberry wrote: On Sunday, 02

Re: Real Facts and Good Facts

2003-02-03 Thread Bill Frantz
At 12:26 PM -0800 2/2/03, Eric Cordian quoted: In another teletext moment on CNN, the shuttle was described as traveling at Mock 18. We mach (sic) their idiocy. Cheers - Bill - Bill Frantz | Due process for all

Real Facts and Good Facts

2003-02-03 Thread Eric Cordian
Bill Frantz wrote: At 10:19 AM -0800 2/2/03, Tim May wrote: Last laugh: CNN is carrying (10:06 a.m. PST) an information slug at the bottom of a Wolf Blitzer interview: Columbia was traveling 18 times faster than the speed of light. Please mister spaceman, won't you please take me along for

Some details on Bush's Bioshield plan

2003-02-03 Thread Declan McCullagh
The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release February 3, 2003 Project BioShield TODAYS PRESIDENTIAL ACTION X In his State of the Union Address, President Bush announced Project BioShield -- a comprehensive effort to develop and make available modern, effective

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
On Sunday, February 2, 2003, at 11:07 PM, John Kelsey wrote: A real journalist would just roll his eyes and say Look, folks, NASA wants these pieces to be aid in reconstructing the accident. There are no traces of liquid propellants and deadly chemicals on these pieces. And they certainly

Re: Carter's statement yesterday

2003-02-03 Thread Alkesh M. Desai
http://news.google.com/news?hl=enq=carter http://news.google.com/news?q=cluster:www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/0,6119,2-10-1460_1314911,00.html http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/0,6119,2-10-1460_1314911,00.html http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=75983

Self-destruct in SZ-4?

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 12:48 AM, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: The only theory that I find remotely worth pursuing is that the shuttle was bringing something back to earth that didn't want to come down. Tim seems to have thoughts about this -- how easily could a satellite be designed with a

Re: Touching shuttle debris may cause bad spirits to invade your body!

2003-02-03 Thread Tim May
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 09:18 AM, Thomas Shaddack wrote: ...and some very, very tiny fraction may have actually touched some component which made them slightly ill. Tf they ingested a part made of beryllium alloy, it could make them pretty sick... First, if they are eating shuttle

Re: Gullible Journalists

2003-02-03 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:31:35AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: I'm exagerating for effect here of course...there's possibly not as much conscious decision making, and supposedly this kind of list-making happens for much quieter, insider stuff (not smart bomb footage). But clearly, there's

Re: Shuttle Humor

2003-02-03 Thread Eric Cordian
Meyer Wolfsheim writes: On Sat, 1 Feb 2003, Eric Cordian wrote: The look on your fellow astronauts' faces right before the grenade you are holding explodes --PRICELESS Please. If we're going to toss around conspiracy theories, let's make sure they are sane. I am

Re: mail weirdness

2003-02-03 Thread Bill Stewart
At 10:19 AM 02/03/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the recipient list suppressed or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just appears that something is wrong with the header, and it's probably something minder.net is doing

Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Bill Stewart wrote: Tim commented about railroad stations being in the ugly parts of town. That's driven by several things - decay of the inner cities, as cars and commuter trains have let businesses move out to suburbs, and also the difference between railroad stations that were built for

Re: punk and free markets

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Gold star. Velvet Underground is definitely ground zero for Punk to my ears, but with this recent set of pre-Velvets minimalist releases (eg, Dream Theater, with LaMount Young, John Cale--who helped start the band I was in, and others), the stage was somewhat set. Yeah, yeah, yeah; I loved

Re: mail weirdness

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:23:58AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 10:19 AM 02/03/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Looking at this more, I think it's two separate problems. I don't get the recipient list suppressed or whatever it is from Declan's posts, it just appears that something is wrong

Re: Shuttle Diplomacy

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Thomas Shaddack wrote: I just hope they won't mothball the ISS... Not if the scheduled Chinese manned launch goes ahead.

James Watson: Everyone should be DNA-fingerprinted

2003-02-03 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Everybody in Europe and the US should have their genetic fingerprints entered into an international database to enable law enforcement agencies to fight crime and terrorism in an unstable world, according to James Watson, the co-discoverer of the DNA double helix. In an exclusive interview

Re: Self-destruct in SZ-4?

2003-02-03 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 09:09 AM 2/3/03 -0800, Tim May wrote: Second, I would do the self-destruct with accelerometers: if several accelerations are felt, detonate. 1. Modern munitions arm this way. If you are an artillery shell and you've been told to arm, and then felt 10s of Gs along one axis and a lot of

Re: Passenger rail is for adventurers and bums

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Fri, 31 Jan 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote: I don't know how it works in the US, but railroads are both comfortable and pretty reliable in Europe. A bit too expensive, especially in Germany. I also like being able to work on the train -- given that here cities are

Re: Say goodbye to the ISS

2003-02-03 Thread Malcolm Carlock
I was shocked to learn Saturday that NASA had not a mechanism to adequately inspect the exterior of the shuttles for damage before the return to earth. The reasons given seem to imply that NASA's ability for EVAs was very limited and did not generally include on most flight the possibility

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-03 Thread Anonymous
Has anyone run their psychosocial simulators on what happens when Osama claims responsibility? Would he try this? What numbers do you get for the US pop's reaction? According to a friend from Ft.Meade, the Oyster (a massive parallel machine) is now at point 96, which means that it can emulate

Re: Shuttle Humor, Risk Estimation

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 12:06:02PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: It's easier to just say Allah is on his side and this is proof :-) Well? Even if they could *prove* total accident, the serendipity of the whole shows the hand of Allah -- Eve of war, Israeli colonel who bombed the Iraqi nuke

Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?

2003-02-03 Thread Ken Brown
Tyler Durden wrote: And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And I keep hearing there's video of that bust.)

Re: checking weirdness

2003-02-03 Thread Harmon Seaver
Huh, so you're subbed to minder.net? And there's never been any problem with group replies to your posts. So that blows that theory. On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 11:52:27AM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: So what do we get here -- Harmon Seaver