Re: Give cheese to france?

2003-03-07 Thread Bill Stewart
At 12:56 PM 03/06/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Are you sure there weren't TIFs involved in building the mall? The mall here in Oshkosh (now defunct, turned into offices) was build with city money, the newest upscale condo being built downtown is mostly TIF money, likewise the newest big

Re: Give cheese to france?

2003-03-07 Thread Steve Furlong
On Thursday 06 March 2003 22:21, Tim May wrote: snip Tim's message, all of which I agree with * * Except I think he made a typo: he wrote shooing but I suspect he meant shooting. Ditto, completely. Tim, you bring the matches and I'll get the gas. (Now, when I find myself in complete agreement

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread stuart
ggc University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst ggc converts any alcohol to acetic acid, which then produces a current ggc proportional to the concentration of alcohol in the air. A chip analyses the ggc data, and if it is too high, turns on a wireless transmitter

Re: Trivial OTP generation method? (makernd.c)

2003-03-07 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 03:16 PM, Peter Fairbrother wrote: Tim May wrote: On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Peter Fairbrother wrote: Thomas Shaddack wrote: FIPS-140 is your friend. They did the math. Cheers - Bill fips140.c is a cool toy, thanks :) However, a bit unusable for my

Re: Give cheese to france?

2003-03-07 Thread Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:21:52 -0800, you wrote: On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Besides, the publicity has been great. I was told that after it made news, 150 women wearing the same T-shirts showed up at the mall. The security guards locked themselves in

Re: Give cheese to france?

2003-03-07 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 04:06:28PM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: At 12:56 PM 03/06/2003 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: Are you sure there weren't TIFs involved in building the mall? The mall here in Oshkosh (now defunct, turned into offices) was build with city money, the newest upscale

Re: Give cheese to france?

2003-03-07 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, March 6, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Besides, the publicity has been great. I was told that after it made news, 150 women wearing the same T-shirts showed up at the mall. The security guards locked themselves in their offices. Probably messed their pants, too. If

Using time-domain reflectometry to detect tamper attempts on telecom cables

2003-03-07 Thread Thomas Shaddack
Time to time, usually when it appears on Cryptome, I skim through the revisions of Wassenaar agreement lists of controlled technologies. It's a neat way to keep myself up to date with what technologies are available on the market and the approximate degree of security they offer. One of the

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Bill Frantz
At 10:52 PM -0800 3/6/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers at Texas Christian University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts any

Re: Give peace a chance?

2003-03-07 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:51 AM, Ed Norton wrote: Someone should go into that same mall with Support the War in Iraq T-shirts to see if they also get thrown out. What pisses me off is that its probably just some powerless little pion When I said that high-Z cosmic rays produce showers

Fatherland Security Paranoids intercept rocks

2003-03-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
ATTENTION TO ALL COLLECTORS OF RADIOACTIVE MINERALS...we recently learned that our huge shipment of minerals coming from the Congo to the US was stopped enroute, and ALL radioactive minerals were removed from the shipment and were returned to the Congo. This is set forth in demands from the new

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:52 AM 3/7/03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers at Texas Christian University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts any

Re: Scientists question electronic voting

2003-03-07 Thread David Howe
at Thursday, March 06, 2003 5:02 PM, Ed Gerck [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: On the other hand, photographing a paper receipt behind a glass, which receipt is printed after your vote choices are final, is not readily deniable because that receipt is printed only after you confirm

Fragmented nets, national borders, ebay, surrealism

2003-03-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
Over on cryptography @ wasabisystems.com there's a thread about Ebay not showing items to folks whose languages were set to German (ergo they must fnord be ruled by the German State which prohibits showing the citizens in its fnord care various things). The item in question is a 3-rotor Enigma.

Re: Trivial OTP generation method? (makernd.c) On 1e-16 BER and cosmic rays

2003-03-07 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:50 PM 3/6/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: On a slow day, Tim May wrote... Next you'll be claiming that chips can be influenced by cosmic and background radiation! When I used to characterize DWDM systems, we'd sometimes need to test down to a BER of 10(-14), with some vendors wanting

Re: Give cheese to france?

2003-03-07 Thread Tim May
On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 06:21 AM, An Metet wrote: I've been hearing liberals bleat about the actions of the cops and mall security. Their civil rights were violated! They have free speech! The mall is a public accomodation! Property rights don't trump personal rights! These fuckards really

re: give cheese to France

2003-03-07 Thread jayh
Actually shooting 150 visitors would be hell on business. Damn, your pesky tenants will probably object strenuously if you simply shooed 150 potential (opinionated) customers. Stalin the Chinese tried the shooting route, the fallout wasn't cool. Fortunately the market apparently has responses

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:28 AM 03/07/2003 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 12:52 AM 3/7/03 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers Would you buy one if you're drunk? Would you put one in

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 2:56 PM -0500 on 3/7/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, easy there, chief. You're new here, aren'tcha? :-) Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA

Re: Using time-domain reflectometry to detect tamper attempts on telecom cables

2003-03-07 Thread Dave Emery
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 02:38:56PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: Undersea, I've heard that NSA uses splices, and that NSA has its own sub for that purpose. (And the company I used to work for did some work on undersea NSA optical projects, so I tend to believe the rumors I heard there.)

Re: Trivial OTP generation method? (makernd.c)

2003-03-07 Thread Tyler Durden
On a slow day, Tim May wrote... Next you'll be claiming that chips can be influenced by cosmic and background radiation! When I used to characterize DWDM systems, we'd sometimes need to test down to a BER of 10(-14), with some vendors wanting 10(-16). (So we'd loop back a whole bunch of

Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of engineers at Texas Christian University. A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts any alcohol to acetic acid, which then produces a

Re: Using time-domain reflectometry to detect tamper attempts on telecom cables

2003-03-07 Thread Tyler Durden
Well, I can only speak about OTDRs. Maybe it could be possible to build a dedicated TDR system intended to be connected to installed cablings, periodically test the cables by sending pulses along them and watch what returns, compare the result with long-term average, and report differences.

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Sunder
Screw that - just buy a few thousand of these little devices, disable them so that they're always transmitting drunk driver and install them in politicians' cars all over DC (make sure you install'em in cop cars too.) You can also leave them in cabs. They'll be banned immediately.

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Sunder
So you hook it up to a wad of cotton dipped in Jack... Whatever. Fuck Big Brother. Fuck it in the ass until it squeals, then fuck it some more. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
Good job. You just caused law enforcement to ignore emitters from all cabs, government, and police vehicles. My guess is that the unit will perform a self-check and emit a broken signal instead of drunk. Maybe the police will only pull over broken vehicles not listed above, knowing that broken

Re: Using time-domain reflectometry to detect tamper attempts ontelecom cables

2003-03-07 Thread Sunder
1. The NSA doesn't own it's own sub - they used a Navy sub - several infact. I think you're refering to how a US sub snuck into a Russian harbor, looked for and tapped phone lines. This was during the cold war. (It's possible that they own their own subs now.) They found the lines because

Someone explain...Give cheese to france?

2003-03-07 Thread Tyler Durden
Tom Veil wrote... These fuckards really need to learn what private property is. ('Fuckards'. I like that. GIMMEE.) Alright. There's something I'm not getting here, so the Libertarians on the board are free to enlighten me. Let's take one of my famous extreme examples. Let's say a section of

Re: Give cheese to france?

2003-03-07 Thread Tyler Durden
I'm ashamed to be on the same list with you statists and fascists. Lot's I don't get here. First of all, stating one perhaps should have the right to wear whatever T-shirt you want in a mall isn't necessarily statist. There are, possibly, non-state-originating arguments in favor of such a

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
Actually, read the article. It covers sober driver and drunk passengers. Quoting Bill Frantz [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At 10:52 PM -0800 3/6/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A tiny fuel cell that detects the alcoholic breath of a drink-driver and calls the police has been developed by a team of

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
I don't guess you read the article. It answers at least your first question. Another option to breathing through a tube might be to not drink alcohol before driving. Wow, you know... deterring people from drinking and driving might be a favorable side effect of this public-monitoring,

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Dan Veeneman
At 12:52 AM 3/7/03 -0600, you wrote: A pump draws air in from the passenger cabin, a platinum catalyst converts any alcohol to acetic acid, which then produces a current proportional to the concentration of alcohol in the air. I had an acquaintance years ago that always kept a bottle of cologne

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Pete Capelli
Yes. Won't someone please think about the *children*? We shouldn't have a problem with being monitored 24x7 if we aren't doing anything illegal, right? Especially since it's for such a good cause! Did you ever think that perhaps this bothers people for reasons *other* than getting caught

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
I would fairly entertain said discussion. Erle http://ganns.com Quoting Pete Capelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes. Won't someone please think about the *children*? We shouldn't have a problem with being monitored 24x7 if we aren't doing anything illegal, right? Especially since it's for

Re: AmeriKKKa Tortures Detainees to Death

2003-03-07 Thread Tyler Durden
The kid was 22. When I was 22 I didn't know shit and I had a colege education. This kid probably had a 4th grade education if he was lucky. At 16 he probably joined the local army just to make sure he had a hunk of bread every now and then. Some time after that he hears that something bad

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread gann
Wow, easy there, chief. I think you have some aggression you may want to let a professional address. Besides that... I'm not crazy about everything that the government does, but there are trade- offs in a non-perfect society. One of them is monitoring the innocent to, in turn, attempt to

Re: Fw: Drunk driver detector that radios police

2003-03-07 Thread Sunder
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 Sycophantic Boot Licker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not crazy about everything that the government does, but there are trade- offs in a non-perfect society. One of them is monitoring the innocent to, in turn, attempt to prevent the guilty from trampling over everything,

Re: AmeriKKKa Tortures Detainees to Death

2003-03-07 Thread Pete Capelli
and here's the cnn article about it back in December: http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/central/12/04/afghan.detainee.death/in dex.html It's just startling that we have to hear the truth from news organizations outside america. Our much vaunted 'free-press' has turned into administration

AmeriKKKa Tortures Detainees to Death

2003-03-07 Thread Eric Cordian
I'd really like to see FOX News do a poll on who is more dangerous to world peace, Bush or Saddam. Here's a lovely story from this morning's news, on how the US is treating its prisoners of war in Afghanistan. Hopefully, this will encourage AmeriKKKa's victims to treat US POWs with similar