Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
On 24 Feb 2003, Tom Veil wrote: You're sounding more and more like a LEO troll. If I was a LEO, would I have called for the killing of gun-grabbing LEOs in a recent Usenet post? Oh, the irony... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters andminorities
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: In the 80s I worked in one of the toughest High Schools in the country, in Brooklyn. During the late 60 and early seventies I briefly attended IS44 in New York City. This was one of the schools over which Al Shanker's teachers went on strike for combat pay. One of my students was brutally murdered, and throughout a semester several would be out sick due to being atacked with knives. Routine inner city school life. (This was in addition to fireworks being set off regularly in the halls, gang fights, rampant vandalism and recreational fires and so on.) Routine inner city life. And yet it was quite clear to me that the intelligence level of these students was by no means much less than that of whites at good high schools (I attended a famous Science and math HS in NYC.). Agreed. Completely. Except for the caliber of school. My Gladiator School had teachers who were just too stupid to leave - to put that another way, the smart ones left after their first rape or beating experience, leaving only the incompetents who knew less than the students they were teaching. The sad thing was that these kids really had never been exposed to the why of education, and asked me regularly about the basic math I was teaching them: Why do we have to learn this? We'll never use this in real life. The problem is that they were more correct in this than you were: most of the white folks in my classes at Gladiator School went on to real jobs, whether or not they were qualified for them. Most of the black kids went on to bottom feeder jobs, regardless of what they were actually qualified for. This could, obviously, be anything or everything from self-fulfilling prophecy to overt discrimination More than this, they couldn't even really conceive of a life without the ubiquitous violence and filth around them. Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit. Every kid I went to school with dreamt of lives without the violence. There was no real reason to do well or get a good job. In the end, it not only felt futile to work there, it was depressing. Futile - mostly. Depressing, definitely, but the rest of that is apologist bullshit. We did well so we could GET OUT. I did worse than most of the friends I had who made it out, but those who did were adamant from the getgo that OUT was the goal, and no brain dead dyslexic and illiterate/innumerate teacher was going to get in the way. Apologist bullshit: chant it with me... Was this black people's fault? Nah. It's all of our fault. Whatever. -TD _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities
Just out of curiosity, which of the following would you classify as racist: Group(s) pushing Black Pride Group(s) pushing Latino Pride Group(s) pushing White Pride Group(s) pushing to Buy Black Group(s) pushing to Buy White I submit that all of the above are blatantly, obviously, racist, although I suspect I'll get a different evaluation from you... -- Yours J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Cardenas wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:01:38 -0800 From: Cardenas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Re: The burn-off of twenty million useless eaters and minorities You're a fucking racist. If you can't understand why black and latino pride is necessary after centuries of murderous oppression, the pick up a book. Things may have been more violent in the 70's, but thats great. Some people think that revolutions don't happen by sitting behind a keyboard. MEChA is not a gang, they're an important part of helping lots of young people to be concious of their own heritage. And I respect the people who are willing to dedicate their lives to something with meaning a lot more than making more microchips for the rich. You're right about evolution though, all those women's studies and black studies programs are helping evolution along, so that racists like you can have their eyes opened more often. This is by far the most disgusting thing I've read on this list to date, and is a huge demonstration of your lilliputian mindedness. On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 11:03:25AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 10:28 AM, Ken Brown wrote: Kevin S. Van Horn wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: Black leadership is one potential issue here, but the other ethnic groups that do so well in the US have no identifiable leaders here. Which is precisely why those ethnic groups do so well, while U.S. blacks do not. The value of leaders is vastly overrated in American society. Same over here in London. I'm a white, English, middle-class sort of bloke. Who are my community leaders? It goes beyond just the black leaders thing--it's also about black pride. My eye-opening experience was my arrival in college (as Brits would say, at university) in 1970. UCSB, in beautiful Santa Barbara. There I found students from diverse backgrounds and cultures, mixing in the classrooms, the dorms, and the eating halls. Except for the negroes, who all sat together at one set of tables in whichever eating hall they were in. There may have been a few stragglers scattered amongst the other tables, but basically it was de facto, self-selected segregation. Much was spouted about black pride, and the negroes took to wearing huge afros with pimp-combs in their hair. They openly insulted whitey. Essentially, they aligned themselves into a gang. Many of them switched dorm rooms around, resulting in de facto creation of segregated dorm halls. White students avoided these ghettoes, for good reason. (I interviewed in 1971 for a R.A. (resident assistant) position, to help with living costs, and my negro interviewer only asked my questions about what CORE was, what SNCC was, etc. My answers were PC enough, and I was turned down. More and more of the R.A.s were negroes by 1973.) Special departments were created to handle the surge in negro students: Black Studies was the main one, with Sociology expanded to teach classes about the oppression and the marginalization of the black race, blah blah. Swahili was the language they took to meet the minimal foreign language requirements. There were no negroes in my math or physics classes. They were active, however, in student government. One of them, a woman named Judy McClellan, used to hop up on the conference tables in the student government meetings and walk up and down, ranting and screaming at the non-negro, non-Hispanic students. She once, according to reporters for the student newspaper who were in the meeting, had her negro aides stand at the doors so she could tell the council that nobody is leaving until you pass this (something about funding for her programs, etc.). The next year the President of the student council, one Robert Norris, flashed a revolver at white students who were opposing one of his resolutions. When this was reported in the campus newspaper, bails of the newspapers were thrown into the lagoon by negroes. I wrote all of this up in a letter which I sent in June of 1973 to the Regents of the University of California. I included descriptions of many of the atrocities, including the shakedown of funds from white students to go to bogus inner city youth programs (including purchase of a $2500 rare comic book about negroes, a comic book which nobody could later produce to investigators). I described the La Raza Libre Hispanic gang on
Re: CDR: Re: Life Sentence for Medical Marijuana?
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Ken Brown wrote: Tyler Durden wrote: And then there's the PERSISTENT rumors of him actually taking an accidental DEA bust in a Florida airport after landing a fresh new cargo. Supposedly this was a bit of a snafu and they had to let him go on the hush-hush...(And I keep hearing there's video of that bust.) Oh, PERSISTENT rumours eh? So they must be true. The TRANSIENT sort are just a pack of lies. Valid point. Besides, this guy has done enough things that have been *verified*, that no mere rumor is necessary to impeach his moral standing. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Carter's statement yesterday
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Thanks, I found the full text at http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0203/01carter.html I must have been trying too early before, all I could find was partial quotes. The world will be awaiting Wednesday's presentation of specific evidence by Secretary of State Colin Powell concerning Iraq's possession of weapons of mass destruction. Yeah, like I would trust Colin Powell on *anything*. Remember, this is the same guy who denied that My Lai had happened, issuing a public statement that relations between the United States and the South Vietnamese are excellent. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Supremes and thieves.
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Marc de Piolenc wrote: The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. Which has not stopped them yet. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Forget VOA -- new exec order creating Global Communications Office
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, W H Robinson wrote: The President understands that reaching global audiences - especially people who are open to the truth but unsure or critical of some aspects of America - will take many years, but we must begin to make a difference now. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark mustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother. Last time I heard someone say that, they were stood on my doorstep with a Bible in their hand. That was George all right... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens.
This is about the lamest thing I have read in years. On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, our offensive against Starbucks wasn't so much against Starbucks per se. We wanted to utilize some crappy generic corporate art to auto-destroy another establishment that, at the time, was rapidly crystallizing brand consciousness in the minds of consumers. So, to put this in a language other than Dot-Com Drivel, you picked on the first thing that came to mind, blindly, and then tried to figure out how to justify it later. By destroying a Starbucks, we wished to introduce a crystal imperfection, so that alternate, non-corporate-driven considerations of branding might be catalyzed. We continue to maintain the right to develop truly populist forms of conception towards consumer items, independent of the desire of the coporate state. Yet more Dot-Com Drivel. Do you write web pages for living? Unfortunately, we incurred our first casualty, one Robert Paulson. Note the willingness of rentacops to use deadly force to stop someone who was finished in the destruction of mere property. This, according to the establishment, was justified as an act of violence against violence. I agree that death was an inappropriate sentence here, while I also realize that there is an delicious Darwinian twist as well. As for Starbucks itself, we have no particular qualm. And with this one sentence, you have utterly destroyed your credibility. -Tyler Durden -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens.
Could be. If it is, that'll teach me (again...) to read the whole thread rather than try to just empty my [overflowing] mailbox... On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Harmon Seaver wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:50:35 -0600 From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Small taste of things to come if the war on Iraq happens. Hmm, I thought it was satire. On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 02:36:33PM -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote: This is about the lamest thing I have read in years. On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote: Well, our offensive against Starbucks wasn't so much against Starbucks per se. We wanted to utilize some crappy generic corporate art to auto-destroy another establishment that, at the time, was rapidly crystallizing brand consciousness in the minds of consumers. So, to put this in a language other than Dot-Com Drivel, you picked on the first thing that came to mind, blindly, and then tried to figure out how to justify it later. By destroying a Starbucks, we wished to introduce a crystal imperfection, so that alternate, non-corporate-driven considerations of branding might be catalyzed. We continue to maintain the right to develop truly populist forms of conception towards consumer items, independent of the desire of the coporate state. Yet more Dot-Com Drivel. Do you write web pages for living? Unfortunately, we incurred our first casualty, one Robert Paulson. Note the willingness of rentacops to use deadly force to stop someone who was finished in the destruction of mere property. This, according to the establishment, was justified as an act of violence against violence. I agree that death was an inappropriate sentence here, while I also realize that there is an delicious Darwinian twist as well. As for Starbucks itself, we have no particular qualm. And with this one sentence, you have utterly destroyed your credibility. -Tyler Durden -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: [AntiSocial] Re: The Geodesic Economy: World Peace Through Free Trade
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Bill Stewart wrote: At 07:05 PM 12/29/2002 -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote an archetypical New Yorker's summary of the plans: 1* - Sucks 2 - Sucks 3 - Sucks - shoot the architect now! 4 - Sucks totally 5 - Sucks even worse 6 - Not so hot, but maybe 7 - Also not so hot but maybe Whole thing is a scam anyway Obviously 9/11 hasn't fundamentally changed the city's character. Would you love us any other way? * Disclaimer: I may have the different plans slightly out of order It's OK: the order in which they sucked wasn't really relevent anyway :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: RE: The Geodesic Economy: World Peace Through Free Trade
On Sun, 29 Dec 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: R. A. Hettinga[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I wonder what people, especially from New York City, think about the new proposals for Lower Manhattan and World Trade Center site that came out this week. http://www.lowermanhattan.info/rebuild/new_design_plans/ My qualifications: I lived in NYC when I was a little kid, and in Manhattan from the end of college until I moved to Massachusetts 14 years ago. Qualifications: Born and raised in NYC. Was a full-time, original occupant in Battery Park City (across the street from WTC) for about three years, kept part-time digs there until the early 90's. I was married on the roof of 1 WTC, and my new bride managed to barf all over it when the building swayed in the wind unexpectedly (for her - I was quite used to it). Background discussion: I remember the early still-birth of WTC, and I remember it's completion (a non-thing if ever there was one). I vividly remember the pain that WTC brought to NYC with it's collossal footprint and complete disregard for everything that was not WTC. I remember the WTC community [Battery Park City] being born: White Flight and Nothing Else. WTC was, in spite of it's disregard for everything non-WTC, still a very New York kind of place. It's core was the Art of Stark Efficiency. From the design of the towers themselves to the layout of the cities beneath them, the place just screamed efficiency. No corner was unnecessarily adorned when the beauty of efficient use could make a statement on it's own behalf. Efficiency was *everywhere*: Path trains terminating New Jersey commuter runs in the basement; local (to WTC) police departments; food concourse layout which maximized retail space while minimizing walking to it; elevators which were sorted and laid out for best use of resources; interconnections of *everything* in a maze of tunneling that not even a drunk could get truly lost in... Obviously, a city so hell-bent on maximum-use and unadorned sterile efficiency would be offended by many of the proposed rebuilds. I know I am. Individual Projects: Project:Foster And Partners - The Weird Crystalline Cathedral Thing Assessment: Complete Loser From the very first moment in their slide show, you just *know* these guys are not from New York. Remember, on 9/11/2001, the very day of the actual collapse, every single New Yorker I know was already cracking jokes about the now defunct towers. This is not a city filled with a lot of tear jerking philosophical moments where the band strikes up a warm melody for you to cry over. This is the Efficiency Capitol Of The Universe, where dead towers need to be cleared out, NOW GODDAMNIT, because they are BLOCKING TRAFFIC. They start out with this big, well, *huge* dreary memorial that nobody in the city of New York is going to give a rats ass about (of course, the politicians will just love it all to hell and back). I'll even go as far as to predict that within five years of it's opening that memorial would specialize in muggings and rapes after 6:00pm. As we move on into our preview, we find this really strange growing-thing overlooking what seems to me to be a cheap imitation of the Vietnam Wall. The building itself is just *awful*: a kind of cross between a strand of DNA trying to grow into something useful, and an echo of the now DEAD towers trying to reassert their existence. Neither works. The original towers are dead - let it go. The Crystalline Catherdral begs us to make penance to it - to somehow go and seek it out for some kind of worship to the past. Again, neither of these work. New Yorkers are not likely to give a rats ass. In summation, the building itself has an intolerable ego, and the memorial is disgusting in it's pompous disregard for the facts of life in the city it is supposed to be *living* in. Project:SOM, SANAA, et al. - The Vertical City groans Assessment: Please take this project to Los Angelos, where it belongs. First, allow me to give credit where credit is really due here. This team has actually managed to capture what the WTC ended up becoming, although not what it was originally envisioned as being. That said, this project is, unfortunately, still a complete loss - may it rest in peace, FOREVER. Starting in slide 3 we get what this team is all about, with the quotation The city, as one finds it in history, is the point of maximum concentration for the power and culture of a community. And they'll be Goddamned if They are going to have to SHARE it with anyone outside of the [new] WTC. Yeah. Riiighhht... I hate to be the one to break the news to these guys, but one of the very few things that makes New York actually WORK, is the free and open dissemination of The Arts (whatever the hell that is). It's our ability to go wherever the hell
Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! It is with sadness and deep concern that I must report the falling from grace of Missouri FreeNet from the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of Hate Groups (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=26). In an attempt to recify this matter, and to restore MFN to it's rightful place among the Hate Groups of America (tm), I have taken the liberty of initiating an email writing campaign asking for this listing to be restored. Please help! Fill out the form at http://www.tolerance.org/about/contact.jsp and demand that Missouri FreeNet be restored to the SPLC/Tolerance.org list of known hate groups. Our reputation depends on your help in this most critical of moments... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd)
I suppose a little background would help :-) Check out: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/secpubs/computer.pdf , page 40. When this report was brought to my attention in late Q4 2000, it prompted a bunch of web searches to see what companion listings might have been generated: SPLC was one such listing. Today I was telling someone the [bizarre] story of how MFN got listed, and when I went to the SPLC site for more giggles, we were gone :-( Considering the fraud that is SPLC, I was genuinely disappointed at being removed from their list of hate groups, and I genuninely want to be reinstated. I am seriously pursuing the reinstatement email campaign. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. On Sun, 15 Dec 2002, Declan McCullagh wrote: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:25:40 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! (fwd) Huh? I don't get it. I can believe that the SPLC is silly/reactionary enough to list something that innocuous, but any such listing does not appear in archive.org's history or google's cache. -Declan On Sun, Dec 15, 2002 at 02:52:33PM -0600, Alif The Terrible wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:50:17 -0600 (CST) From: Alif The Terrible [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help: MFN is no longer listed as a Hate Group! It is with sadness and deep concern that I must report the falling from grace of Missouri FreeNet from the Southern Poverty Law Center's list of Hate Groups (http://www.tolerance.org/maps/hate/state.jsp?state_id=26). In an attempt to recify this matter, and to restore MFN to it's rightful place among the Hate Groups of America (tm), I have taken the liberty of initiating an email writing campaign asking for this listing to be restored. Please help! Fill out the form at http://www.tolerance.org/about/contact.jsp and demand that Missouri FreeNet be restored to the SPLC/Tolerance.org list of known hate groups. Our reputation depends on your help in this most critical of moments... -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: 17 Cypherpunks subscribers on watch list, ProjectLookout
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, peter zulu wrote: here's the list as of 10-11-01: http://www.vrwa.org/fbiwatchlist.htm w.a.s.t.e ;) I note that they are still looking to interview Mohammed Atta: that's pretty funny. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: OPPOSE THE WAR! We are going to ruin Iraq to get theoil. Who's ne
On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Mike Diehl wrote: Dubbya has only been in office about a year and a half, and in that time, he has destroyed Freedom in this country? Not entirely, just *mostly*. I don't think so. I'm still able to practice my religion freely. Sure. Provided your religion does not offend the mainstream sensibilities. I can criticize my government and stay out of prison. As long as your criticism is not highly visible. I don't have soldiers living with/watching me. When was the last time you were out in public? How about an airport? Saddam is just as bad as most dictators, but let's not confuse the issue; he's still a DICTATOR! So? Dubbya and Asscruft have millions of people in prison for doing nothing wrong, only violating their bullshit rules in the War On Some Drugs. Hey, the law is posted. You may not agree with it, but it is the law. Saddam is the LAWFUL DICTATOR. You may not agree with it, but it IS THE LAW. I wouldn't have agreed with Prohibition, but I would have followed the law while at the same time trying to abolish it. Guess what, I have that freedom, still. As long as you do not attract any serious attention, yes. Once you attract serious attention, all bets are off. You'll either be found holding your breath forever, or you'll be carted off to the nearest Re-education Camp (maybe to share a cell with Bell). Personall, I don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home, but I won't want to drive on the same street, go to work with, or have my child watched, by anyone who is high on some drug. If that means smoking dope keeps someone from being imployed, that's not my problem. Why should my employment in a programming capacity be contingent on what you find desirable in a baby-sitter? They have killed thousands of innocent Afghans, and are intent on murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis just to steal their oil. This makes Dubbya a mass-murder far beyond the scale of Saddam. Well, mass-murder is a bit strong. No. It's exactly correct. How about what we have done in Iraq? Both life expectancy and quality of life have nosedived as a direct result of OUR actions, not Saddam's. Remember, before we got into the act, Saddam was providing the worlds finest medical services, world-class education, housing, etc... We are the ones who not only destroyed it, but have spent the last 12 years insuring that the people we are supposedly concerned for are systematically starved to death, prevented from receiving medical care, potable water, etc... I believe we are motivated by oil; not arguement there. Perhapse Dubbya is looking out for the US's, and his own? best interests. I'll bet you drive a car and like a warm home, and like that electricity stuff. Well, it all NEEDS OIL! The average American Sheep would riot in the street if they couldn't drive their SUV to church on sunday. Not that Klinton was any better. Not EVEN going to go there grin I guess we all agree on this one. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Lawsuit-I'm famous!!! (fwd)
Interesting background to the below lawsuit: the plaintiff in question is about as straight as you can possibly be while still breathing :-) No drugs *at all*. He's not even into the legal drugs! Nevertheless, he's a long time GoodGuy, and this is just another example. Thanks CR! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:45:51 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: Lawsuit-I'm famous!!! Text of Article 78 lawsuit filed against Division regarding drug testing policy By: Board of Directors, Date: 2002-10-29 STATE OF NEW YORK SUPREME COURT COUNTY OF ALBANY __ DANIEL M. DeFEDERICIS; DON POSTLES; GORDON D. WARNOCK; THOMAS P. POMEROY; JOHN P. MORETTI, JR.; JAMES C. MONTY; GARY N. OELKERS; ROBERT A. KOTIN; JEFFREY J. KAYSER; JAMES NEEDHAM, JR.; KEITH L. FORTE; ERIC J. CHABOTY; ROBERT P. HOVEY; and THE POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION OF THE NEW YORK STATE TROOPERS, INC., on behalf of its Members, Petitioners-Plaintiffs, For a Judgment Pursuant to Article 78 of the Civil Practice Law and Rules PETITION/COMPLAINT - against – NEW YORK STATE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE; JAMES W. McMAHON, as Superintendent of the New York State Division of State Police, Respondents-Defendants. __ Petitioners/plaintiffs, by their attorneys, Gleason, Dunn, Walsh O'Shea, and for their Verified Petition/Complaint, respectfully allege upon information and belief: INTRODUCTION 1. This is a combined Article 78 proceeding and declaratory judgment action challenging the legality of certain policies and procedures (denominated regulations) recently adopted and implemented by the respondents prohibiting sworn Members of the Division of State Police (Division) from the otherwise legal use of lawful, commercially available products and substances, including foods, cosmetics and health care products that contain the derivatives or active ingredients of any illegal drug. Such legal and widely available commercial products include rolls, bagels and bakery products containing poppy seeds and over-the-counter pain medications and cold medicines as well as other products. 2. This proceeding/action also challenges that aspect of the Division's regulations which provide that the ingestion or use of these otherwise legal, consumer products is no defense to a positive drug test. That aspect of the regulation unilaterally deprives Members of the Division of a legitimate and valid defense to disciplinary charges alleging the use of illegal drugs. As such, the regulation improperly affects and limits their ability to protect their property rights in their jobs. 3. Petitioners/plaintiffs assert that this regulation is inconsistent with and violative of New York Labor Law §201-d and the New York State and United States Constitutions. PARTIES 4. Petitioner/plaintiff The Police Benevolent Association of the New York State Troopers, Inc. (PBA), is the certified and recognized employee organization which represents the bargaining unit consisting of all Troopers of the Division of State Police and the bargaining unit consisting of all commissioned and non-commissioned officers of the Division of State Police. 5. Petitioner/plaintiff, Daniel M. DeFedericis, is the President of the PBA. President DeFedericis is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged regulation. 6. Petitioner/plaintiff, Don Postles, is the Vice President of the PBA. Vice President Postles is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged regulation. 7. Petitioner/plaintiff, Gordon D. Warnock, is the Secretary of the PBA. Secretary Warnock is currently on leave from his employment with the Division, but upon returning from his leave will be subject to the challenged
!!! Nov-L: Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway (fwd)
Hrmmm. Are Governor Bush's daughters going to move? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:35:30 -0700 From: Nora Callahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Nov-L: Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway City Plans Protest With Pot Giveaway By MARTHA MENDOZA .c The Associated Press Calif. City Plans Marijuana Giveaway SANTA CRUZ, Calif. (AP) - City leaders plan to join medical marijuana users at a pot giveaway at City Hall next week, hoping to send a message to federal authorities that, in this town, medical marijuana is welcome. The invitation comes one week after agents from the Drug Enforcement Agency arrested the high-profile owners of a pot farm and confiscated 130 plants that had been grown to be used as medicine. ``It's just absolutely loathsome to me that federal money, energy and staff time would be used to harass people like this,'' said vice mayor Emily Reilly, who with several City Council colleagues plans to pass out medical marijuana to sick people from the garden-like courtyard at City Hall on Tuesday. Though the council passed a resolution denouncing the raid, there is no official city sponsorship of the event - council members and medical marijuana advocates are simply acting on their own in a public space, said City Attorney John Barisone. DEA spokesman Richard Meyer was surprised at the plan. ``Are you serious? That's illegal. It's like they're flouting federal law,'' he said. ``I'm shocked that city leaders would promote the use of marijuana that way. What is that saying to our youth?'' State law in California, as well as Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington, allows marijuana to be grown and distributed to people with a doctor's prescription. Federal law prohibits marijuana use under any circumstances. In recent months, federal agents - working without local support - have been busting pot clubs and farms in Northern California, including a small pot farm last week about 55 miles south of San Francisco, arresting owners Valerie and Michael Corral. No indictment was filed against the couple, leading activists for medical marijuana; their attorney said federal authorities do not plan to prosecute. A spokeswoman for the U.S. attorney's office said she could not comment. California medical marijuana growers and distributors work closely with local law enforcement, and are quite open about their programs. In fact, the farm raided by DEA agents had been featured in national media, and the program is listed in the local telephone book. ``The courage of the Santa Cruz City Council and the growing anger in Congress are signs of a genuine grassroots rebellion all across this country that will put an end to these attacks on the sick and vulnerable,'' said Robert Kampia, executive director of the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project. In 1992, 77 percent of Santa Cruz voters approved a measure ending the prohibition of medical marijuana. Four years later, state voters approved Proposition 215, allowing marijuana for medicinal purposes. And in 2000, the city council approved an ordinance allowing medical marijuana to be grown and used without a prescription. 09/11/02 22:21 EDT Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL. -- Nora Callahan The November Coalition, founded in 1997 is a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization, your gifts are tax deductible. You can send your donation to: The November Coalition 795 South Cedar Colville, WA 99114 Visit our website at: http://www.november.org November-L is a voluntary mailing list of the November Coalition. To unsubscribe, visit http://www.november.org/lists/ or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the command unsubscribe
Re: CDR: RE: Challenge to David Wagner on TCPA
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, AARG! Anonymous wrote: I have sent over 400 anonymous messages in the past year to cypherpunks, coderpunks, sci.crypt and the cryptography list (35 of them on TCPA related topics). I see you are no too worries about traffic analysis? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
