Re: On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand

James A. Donald writes: Further, genuinely secure systems are now becoming available, notably Symbian. Chris Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] What does it mean for Symbian to be genuinely secure? How was this determined and achieved? There is no official definition of genuinely secure

Re: Return of the death of cypherpunks.

-- James A. Donald: Since cryptography these days is routine and uncontroversial, there is no longer any strong reason for the cypherpunks list to continue to exist. John Kelsey The ratio of political wanking to technical posts and of talkers to thinkers to coders needs

Return of the death of cypherpunks.

to be addressed on lists that are not explicitly political, leaving cypherpunks with little of substance. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG AnKV4N6f9DgtOy+KkQ9QsiXcpQm+moX4U09FjLXP 4zfMeSzzCXNSr737bvqJ6ccbvDSu8fr66LbLEHedb

Re: Any comments on BlueGem's LocalSSL?

-- R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Intel doing their current crypto/DRM stuff, [...] You know they're going to do evil, but at least the *other* malware goes away. I am a reluctant convert to DRM. At least with DRM, we face a smaller number of threats. --digsig James

Re: [fc-discuss] Financial Cryptography Update: On Digital Cash-like Payment Systems

no matter what you do. Government regulators are a bigger problem, since they are apt to forbid any business model they do not understand, but they tend to be more predictable than courts. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: On the orthogonality of anonymity to current market demand

, and provides a secure channel to the user. So secrets representing ID, and secrets representing value, can only be manipulated by the software that is supposed to be manipulating it. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wikipedia Tor]

targets that have been hammered through Tor. In the long run, reliable pseudonymity will prove more valuable than reliable anonymity. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG wE/La87xersBx39sShMCS6TkdqJr6DSYslVdXZkf 4GY6BRCS/b8OBic0E/U36X

Re: Fwd: Re: MIT talk: Special-Purpose Hardware for Integer Factoring

of the kulaks was self defense against a vicious attempt by the peasants to starve the proletariat. :-) --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG ikKvUYkvyBE7ikT3WsIGcsxLztiI6VjO7F+lbUPi 43u1MspIR5iABmysKM+9wkz7R+H7AgDDsuhTSZJ4A

Re: The ghost of Cypherpunks

-- James A. Donald : So when I buy coffee, that is political? Damian Gerow Is it organic, fair-trade, shade-grown coffee? Locally grown? Locally roasted? Purchased through StarBucks or a local coffee shop? Do the growers use their profits to help the growth of coca plants

Re: The ghost of Cypherpunks

. These various isms are not marxism, not exactly, but they bare a striking resemblance to their parent. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG JTnG7EwKWGBKCLMjy9fEelUGWOaNVelhzQKnyKWj 4KYcVP6IOe2k/gw1LLqwMfH5ioyRfGUAvNrJFj/2o

Re: The ghost of Cypherpunks

state area of our lives is the non political area of our lives. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG OHqLH7EFCEVGI5CkHzpWzDH3Iyd7w5T1TSE3dyUB 4HvAcBSrD8JQfPtYDs3hHfuCbQWprTcJhov+r6b1+

Re: The ghost of Cypherpunks

is advanced by more boring stuff: standards, software, and business. Excessive mention of the ideological implications of certain standards and software would be counterproductive. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: Private Homes may be taken for public good

voted against this decision. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG OATUYUUD6X16QdQnFd2ZgGItmw0TrkkNoR5SYYAZ 4HZTgkPgkgTwPSGrDGUeYo6QjGZU5psCanKPMN479

Re: Lions and tigers and iraqi minutemen

-- James A. Donald: While it doubtless would have been better to behead the Saudi monarchy rather than the Iraqi dictatorship, nonetheless American troops seem to be finding an ample supply of Saudis in Iraq. Major Variola (ret) In what imaginary universe? In the universe where

Re: Len Adleman (of R,S, and A):

seem to be finding an ample supply of Saudis in Iraq. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG UB064U/DafELO1g1L+J1elpcp4Rm0O4oDPOO5uH+ 4rzwuJwOGk4RYWsWPOFN78tEmJamA31vLTloe7Rnv

Re: WebMoney

obstacle is that 99% of customers cannot understand WebMoney's security, or use Pecunix's PGP based interface. If you try to sell them Chaumian blinded transactions, the average mobster is going to be seriously boggled. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0

How email encryption should work

– an unobtrusive and easily ignored warning if he has never received a signed message from that source, a considerably stronger warning if he has previously received signed mail from that source. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: Golden Triangle Drug Traffic Arbitrage?

James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG HsbCTO3R0hDvTi4O2HOi/0Y0UtIUZ/LWAkI3C0Wg 4aRr/HrQ9ZtcE0cqgSbp57xoZ1X3xpgldD4zNHi5M

Re: Golden Triangle Drug Traffic Arbitrage?

and shaky dollars so abundantly printed by the Bush administration, is that the chinese banking system is even more dubious and shaky. Chinese prefer to stash their wealth in America, rather than in China. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: [p2p-hackers] good-bye, Mnet, and good luck. I'm going commercial! plus my last design doc (fwd from zooko@zooko.com)

uploaders and storers, and starving leachers, is pretty much central to the success of a protocol and its software. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG MHH97gJAm7xaefDsVkckpP3M1T3kFYcHHE4T6q6e 4sy0PVrzWWflVPEeAHnZN9+Cf4YNPT7P4feuRNy00

Re: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine

that a strong password (not your ordinary password) is secure. Can anyone suggest a well reviewed, unpatented, protocol that has the desired properties? --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG A8bCmCXDTAX2Syg907T7uRpajs77l9CqLEii+ezP

Re: I'll show you mine if you show me, er, mine

that they are in danger of being forgetten. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Dn3N69hcbr+mL/HUTw8OhGtKmD9rHYOMN4NTBkIY 47AOCXrb7e35xm5QBsHbFVr/jfm+XwTUvzdiytKpG

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

-- James A. Donald As governments were created to smash property rights, they are always everywhere necessarily the enemy of those with property, and the greatest enemy of those with the most property. Steve Thompson Uh-huh. Perhaps you are using the term 'government

Re: SHA1 broken?

to a mere 2^109 or so. So SHA256 should be OK. 2^69 is damn near unbreakable. 2^80 is really unbreakable. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG IQqit8pqSokARYxy1xVLrTaVRSKMAGvz2MXbQqXi 4DAQZgw0sbP3OcD3kgO+x7f+VfsPD4E8EBsB96d/D

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

property rights. You want to steal something like land or women, you need a really big gang. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG of/pZSLkKATIjG0fWzPvEZnxIsBE/Q0Se80Gx178 4LGYWiIfc2+Us4l38hwPX8mK0CR7hBpVkJ952v8/D

Re: What is a cypherpunk?

. There is nothing stopping you from writing your own operating system, so Linus did. If, however, you decline to pay taxes, men with guns will attack you. That is the difference between private power and government power. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh

Re: Dell to Add Security Chip to PCs

violence with impunity to the one with the ability to convincingly tell the truth. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 6B7i0tiB4vUHqQnAP6nXT2z+B+zLB8624+K6+ENU 47fFHg6cY0KInzxMe/l+L2c7LqmPZyrwOSZepYIR3

RE: Ronald McDonald's SS

-- James A. Donald: Note that the main enemy it is aimed against is the CIA, and it's existence was successfully kept secret from the CIA for this time. (For had the CIA detected it, they would have instantly leaked the information, the same way they have leaked so much other

Re: Spotting Trouble Identifying Faltering and Failing States (1997)

-- James A. Donald wrote: Oh wow, let us expand our current highly popular and successful Iraqi operation to embrace a quarter of the world. Wouldn't it be nice? No, come to think of it, it would not be nice. J.A. Terranson Since Mein Fuhrer Bush is preparing to escalate to Iran

Re: Spotting Trouble Identifying Faltering and Failing States (1997)

Arabia, which are not failing, but damn well should. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG KZbrHZ/MYP584OnYd7NsjZjmUpn8Srn0ydIoe269 4ATqczLXXya6Ei6jVdqfx7nHh1/Fdp6s6+VCLrdwO

Re: Feral Cities

-- James A. Donald: Terrorists, as we discovered in Afghanistan, tend to piss people off. They need a government that is strong enough to intimidate the locals to refrain from killing them. Major Variola (ret) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since when did a few remote Al Q boot camps piss people

Re: Feral Cities

arms are good guys and which are bad guys after the regime falls. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG lYYew1mXLqlqClNWre3iWNTQSdUjC3dM+wojwWKP 4ZzkUnYtfu/tX/c5VsLePUrbbJ15Ww5uBlRvLj+Ut

Re: Talking Back to Power: China's 'Haves' Stir the 'Have Nots' to Violence

The title of this post is misleading: The protest is anti government, and pro property rights. For example: [...] People can see how corrupt the government is while they barely have enough to eat, said Mr. Yu, reflecting on the uprising that made him an instant proletarian hero If he was

Re: Finally, the Killer PKI Application

encryption/signing technology. Or in other words, due to the fact that PKI sucks, they have left the door open for a replacement. now the investment may finally be realized. I don't think so. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

are trivially protected, and the remaining third have done the best they can under the circumstances This may explain the lack of wardriving. Why bother to drive? --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG GZxQHl5Ys94JIEGFGqHzFIw0CwTw+cJrG2kcpVuC

Re: punkly current events

-- James A. Donald: The reason that taliban caught in Afghanistan, and people with the wrong accent caught in Afghanistan, tend to wind up in Guantanamo Bay is not because Afghan warlords are taking orders from US overlords, it is because Afghan warlords are fighting a holy war

RE: Blinky Rides Again: RCMP suspect al-Qaida messages

is that it conceals your threat model. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG aV25L9tGoz00uU3bzcY+rbFDV5nX9BCkK67CRwcd 4mBXnVakFBPiPRCdugeDolUdtnd8iueWgYFwR3Pch

Re: punkly current events

-- On 9 Dec 2004 at 19:47, Joseph Ashwood wrote: In short, except for those few people who have some use for MixMaster, MixMaster was stillborn. As one of those few people who have had some use for Mixmaster, it does not seem stillborn to me. --digsig James A. Donald

Re: Mixmaster is dead, long live wardriving

the street and steal some bandwidth just because I find it a change to work in the open air. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG hOnTAnMFC4mbjwvyxYfLSmvpUXtw2xutPOvdyU0k 4Jx3r8szirxwjD/2L68Q0/BDk3jSlebytG9a9+2IQ

Re: punkly current events

, at the same time he is busily subverting US enemies in Iran. He has his own agenda, which on some matters agrees with the US agenda, and others contradicts the US agenda. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 2c9x3EgsLT44LpYQQUlGud

Re: geographically removed?

-- Major Variola: Internal resistance mediated by cypherpunkly tech can always be defeated by cranking up the police state a notch. This is eg why e-cash systems have anonymity problems. James A. Donald: The problem is that any genuinely irrevocable payment system gets

Re: geographically removed?

James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG j/Q7ovPCBpocpAweY6EuWipd1SYuu09GuF0FDGs4 4F1phVigtAvUzPhC0QjPDP/3SKkY4KUtZc5hRUL9a

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

, for example the shelling of Kabul. The relief that people expected to obtain by submitting to Taliban rule was not relief from fighting each other, but relief from indiscriminate Taliban attacks. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

-- James A Donald wrote... And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? Tyler Durden And the answer is: 9/11 sucked. Oh wait, I guess I have to explain that. After the Soviets were pushed out of Afghanistan the place became a veritable breeding ground for all sorts of virulent

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

-- James A. Donald And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? John Kelsey At least three: a. The pottery barn theory of foreign affairs--we'd be blamed for making things worse. And if we do nothing, we are also blamed for making things worse: Observe, for example 1. the French

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

-- James A Donald wrote... What made [Afghanistan] a breeding ground for terrorism was not civil war, but diminuition of civil war. The problem was that the Taliban was damn near victorious. If the US government had maintained the relationship with our former anti communist allies

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

-- James A. Donald: And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is? On 24 Nov 2004 at 2:42, Bill Stewart wrote: Well, once you get past the invalid and dishonest parts of Bush's 57 reasons We Need to Invade Iraq Right Now (WMDs, Al-Qaeda, Tried to kill Bush's Daddy, etc.) you're pretty

Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

-- James A. Donald: Seems to me that permanent civil war in Iraq provides Americans with the same benefits as democracy in Iraq, though considerably more reliably. Steve Thompson You might be more accurate to say that a permanent [civil] war in Iraq benefits miltiary leaders

Re: Iraq II, Come to think of it (was...China's wealthy)

has to be cleared with the top, the fact that low level people are forbidden to think. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 56D0bYHQzFhVoqs5hSQzS0qvgik5OwJHVAMVGSfz 4FvsMZXY2Yed7To20MoGIPJ3rszxf79ZaE6XvYlpG

Re: Iraq II, Come to think of it (was...China's wealthy)

-- James A. Donald: Qin had a cult of personality, in which every single person subject to his control had to participate. A subject of Qin, like a subject of Mao, was more aware of Qin, than he was of his mother and father. Tyler Durden: You are apparently simply unaware

Re: Gettin' Our Scots-Irish Up

, but they're still elitists... Perhaps, but it is characteristic of american conservatives to claim to be rednecks or hillbillies - and characteristic of american leftists to condemn their opponents as trailer park trash, rednecks, hillbillies, and sister fuckers. --digsig James

Re: Iraq II, Come to think of it (was...China's wealthy)

-- James A. Donald: Pol Pot's Cambodia was, like Ch'in dynasty china, decentralized in that they had twenty thousand separate killing fields, but was, like Ch'in dynasty china, highly centralized in that the man digging a ditch dug it along a line drawn by a man far away who had

Re: The Full Chomsky

. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG w8wf5p0VKgycj9Ld3q9wBJikPRDq7/6mG2fem3Oi 481l46Enne+sD9gu1SutixMgpaZcYscUEn7FHAJPG

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- James Donald: However Confucianism vs Daoism/Taoism is rather different from what you would get in the west. Confucianism is somewhat similar to what you would get if western cultural conservatives allied themselves with nazi/commies, in the way that the commies are prone

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

, with mass compliance instead of mass initiative. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG A3r+IPhnwM5iwqn01H7AuV9g1K9PgqLsYSmZVb6P 4ewsr2ejzouasJCmgOSl3a3j3FucBkMACrPcAsosX

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- ken wrote: And when was this stagnation? R.A. Hettinga wrote: Two words: Ming Navy For those who need more words, the Qing Dynasty forbade ownership or building of ocean going vessels, on pain of death - the early equivalent of the iron curtain. --digsig James

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

the intent was not fear of foreigners, but as with the iron curtain, fear of chinese wandering outside government control and being contaminated with unauthorized foreign thoughts. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

that was being dug. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG kIKFSkaq39tHojTf6+FAu2WFT3X6iHJMyTUNi7kx 4kLyg7PvSEfnbAOwjYFVGCmxNpP52VH6X9inrj6cM

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

-- James A. Donald. China stagnated because no thought other than official thought occurred. On 12 Nov 2004 at 15:40, ken wrote: And when was this stagnation? Started soon after the Qing dynasty And what were the reasons China did not stagnate for the previous thousand years? When

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

quite enlightened to the likes of Tyler Durden. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG k9Dumf7XMAhNCRDuxNd2aKQtrN2PqD2p2l3TDcjw 4SMVqw0LGnr3oZKU5v0WQpooJ4tKHdZvNiokzj2e9

Re: The Full Chomsky

written, of everything he writes. If you complain that his lies in support of the Khmer Rouge are old news, I will do a similar number on his more recent lies about the Afghan famine. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 7d

Re: China's wealthy bypass the banks

ordinary people forbidden from doing banking stuff, but a pile of loopholes in that law, and we do not have the death penalty for unauthorized banking, whereas in China, they do have the death penalty, and despite the death penalty, massive defiance of the law. --digsig James A. Donald

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG QwzmnNSSaHhQhQItWATHwnWB7cLchcXDK+wV1pDP 4p0FRureqYrveRbFxz5h7VDonlv9au7JlTFdp/2BL

Re: The Values-Vote Myth

for Kerry because you think he is a liar? --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG EDbRclDc5acD10EGJi0ScHZfE2IslIbsawTQvj54 4jjneZ53XniQe2NYlNlFO5PGLTN5vTyDLI5okTjKv

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

them to pieces on the spot. Wrong French nobles were taken prisoner in the usual fashion, but executed because the English King commanded them executed. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG R2tc27UGwjykTsUjBSVNU/VakHCZzthZfJpceSzP

Re: Why Americans Hate Democrats-A Dialogue

-- James Donald: I routinely call people like you nazi-commies. Eugen Leitl wrote: How novel and interesting. Cut the rhetoric, get on with the program. Cypherpunks write code. I also write code, unlike people like you. See for example www.echeque.com/Kong --digsig James

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

the armor improved (and became heavier and more expensive) in response to the battle of Agincourt. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG wY4Gt1+GdEkqgNLQxKrMduPJSg/k6DEUpWEGeADc 48Orz+xAb/+RsojnqG7H/GLzb+Ll5QWvCCvF9MkuG

Re: This Memorable Day

to be acting to defend the poor and oppressed. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG QeJ5sNOExxqx0Vq7NTG0bDDnwEip8vKbsX9+9d8i 4IDiep3tuDmwKA77n4H3u9nHRV2g6oqOWQkRYfFcW

Re: This Memorable Day

are the one's that have heroic fantasies of holding out against hopeless odds, as for example Fallujah. The question is not whether the terrorists keep Falljah, but merely whether Pentagon gets a city or a pile of rubble. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0

Re: This Memorable Day

-- Peter Gutmann wrote: Fighting an unwinnable war always seems to produce the same type of rhetoric, It is a little premature to call this war unwinnable. The kill ratio so far is comparable with Britain's zulu war. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh

Re: This Memorable Day

this problem, Bush should confiscate the Middle Eastern oil reserves. You are using stale old communist rhetoric - but today's terrorists no longer not even pretend to fight on behalf of the poor and oppressed. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

Re: This Memorable Day

. An anarchic America would not be able to occupy Iraq, nor would it be capable of building democracy in Afghanistan, but it would be able to do the equivalent of sending special forces to assist the Northern Alliance. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0

Re: Winning still matters, etc...

or honest soul searching. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG nVs3V7urdcH8GOjfhlNYzb0/JWqCDKupA3RE8WE3 4YdwLgC/LWPMsXcHeSFlqJW/NrcK/eDjuprNNcJok

Re: Winning still matters, etc...

. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG odq504QOMD1tmYFgnLderv0nS117FbcIG83t4MIX 4GzccezZIfj7BfeEbPLrXimv+SU42yCuvTxkLS+Rn

RE: Geodesic neoconservative empire

James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG TCB2vWoGyhVihGigpgZNddyxcR+FX8/hDPZankmv 4jNqo70KLA5nfPvXptDt0z6bJGMJ0LDIX5iVsCD/p

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

-- James A. Donald: Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny and slavery. Roy M. Silvernail Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given violent conflict. The winner gets to use the victory to proclaim the correctness of their interpretation

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

getting in the way of this sort of deal. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG o32eoG4KhmccNjDBkOW9upEtn8Lka3zsooGJn8lY 4dMgCNOmt5z/S3km7vma/L6RECrRaVEmnhEZ4E2hb

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

. and remember the fact that it was the US that propped up Saddam as long as he stuck to the script. Another tale from your odd parallel universe where the US attacked Korea. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG zEWlCJhdBBReeJ2Tnl5midyyezqcb0uz

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

-- James A. Donald: The remaining communists have made some psychological recovery - see for example Tyler Durden's peculiar version of recent history, where in his universe the communists actually won and are still winning, Tyler Durden Again, you live in a world that's evenly

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

-- On 25 Oct 2004 at 21:03, Tyler Durden wrote: The point is this: Almost and side in this world that has committed or commits atrocities can find a true-believing apolegist. Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny and slavery. --digsig James A. Donald

Re: Airport insanity

it, instead of confidently asserting all this wild baloney, and deffending past baloney with an endless stream of new baloney, pronounced with equal confidence? --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG xOlAusokL6372cJOfxYIKssrD7fRmaOORj2kjput 4y6M4TN

Re: Give peace a chance? NAH...

-- James A. Donald For all that is wrong with the US government, remember the condition of people under the great majority of the world's governments: poverty and fear, where the political privilege of a few shatters the economy and forces the vast majority into poverty

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

-- James A. Donald: Bin Laden's intent was to make anyone in America afraid - thus the use of airliners, rather than truck bombs. McViegh's intent was to make BATF afraid. J.A. Terranson: This is idiotic. You're claiming that the definition of terrorist is dependent not on the act

Re: Give peace a chance? NAH...

governments, we would be as poor, unfree, and frightened as the subjects of those governments. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG FIkvqRtdx4mKda8MY0+7FCzRw09CvdTSH2IjDCV3 4H7vUDccMZaaLjHdsx+DkMirimYrUgLbOx8ZpmAjm

Re: Airport insanity

-- James A. Donald wrote: You guys just keep making up facts. There were no branches of the armed services in the towers. You are just spouting bullshit, like the story that Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA, that Saddam was installed in a CIA coup, and all those similar

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

-- James A. Donald: McViegh did not target innocents. Bin Laden did target innocents. Roy M. Silvernail I'm confused. Is Mr. Donald saying McVeigh did not surveil his target sufficiently to know that there was a day care center in the damage pattern? Bin Laden's intent

Re: US Retardation of Free Markets (was Airport insanity)

-- J.A. Terranson: So if I was to go out tomorrow and spread 2000 curies of Ci into the local subway system As payback for Ruby Ridge, this would not be an act of terrorism? James A. Donald: That would be terrorism, because regardless of what you *said* your intent was, you would

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cleansing is a legitimate response to an intransigent enemy with strong roots in the local population - but the fact that the Taliban used such measures shows they did not have strong roots in the local population. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG

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-- John Kelsey I'm still trying to understand the moral theory on which you differentiate hitting the two towers from the Oklaholma City bombing. James A. Donald: The pentagon did not have a branch office in the two towers. BATF had an office in the Murrah building. J.A

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that could have won free and fair elections had they been permitted? Is it a given to you that Alger Hiss was framed? Perhaps you need to check some of these givens. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 2xBHaKKtew47vYubi0WVdchRmiM1osWLaPLEM3IJ

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-- James A. Donald: The Taliban were illegitimate, not on legal grounds, but because they were evil. J.A. Terranson Using this line of reasoning, Shrub is ripe for that overdue case of high velocity lead poisoning. Doubtless he is, but to suggest that he is comparably evil

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innocents. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Kiq2Py/gfRNvDbIgFETkSh12S9ilsTHs1STZ0G+i 4YtWt9FfhBsS+aa3NSU17iXdsABNEuxtdCDwkYKjY

Re: Airport insanity

-- James A. Donald All of the terrorists came from countries that were beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi Arabia was certainly not under attack. If they were Palestinians, and they hit the Pentagon but not the two towers, then they would be defending

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the Chinese monetary system prior to 1949, so arguably that money had to go somewhere. liar. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Ctgvg/767xVvEfZle9c/+vxKC3xtkjiX3R4NVIxk 4EMcaYvfC/Hefr1mG/wP4lnapr70KOuFu4ofYdQSC

Re: Seld-defeating US foreign policy

-- Tyler Durden The US was in Vietnam trying to fight their way up. So it would have been pretty evident to anyone watching that the US was trying to undermine the PRC. James A. Donald: You live in a world of delusion. Your dates are all wrong, your events are all fiction

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, and that we deserve their past efforts to kill us, efforts that some of them promptly resumed on release. We are under attack, and you are telling us to suck it up. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG bsIXWc4h29VIJkgExpNjUGgUXb/7oelyrYSTY5hy

Re: Seld-defeating US foreign policy

, and we're back to abayas, beards and jihad. You have this back to front. Khatami was marginalized by the mullahs, and BECAUSE he was marginalized, because democracy in Iran was suppressed, the US government THEN included Iran in the axis of evil. --digsig James A. Donald

Re: Seld-defeating US foreign policy

-- James A. Donald: But Khatami was knackered shortly after being elected, so any aid would be aiding the terrorists. We saw how well that worked in Fallujah and Sadr city. June 2001: Khatami re-elected A few months or weeks thereafter, Khatami knackered. Will Morton

Re: Airport insanity

-- James A. Donald wrote: We are under attack, and you are telling us to suck it up. J.A. Terranson No. We are under attack by those DEFENDING THEMSELVES. All of the terrorists came from countries that were beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi Arabia was certainly

Re: Seld-defeating US foreign policy

-- James A. Donald wrote: How could the US have given him support, short of violent means, such as bombing Tehran, which he was reluctant to accept? Will Morton Money. Push it through your favourite UN department. Schools and hospitals == goodwill. But Khatami

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