Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-04 Thread Morlock Elloi
cards with external antenna port. For cell phones the entire instrument could be placed in at the reflector's focus and operated via a mic/headset adapter (some older Nokia models have an external antenna port behind a small rubber plug on the rear.) Cellphone taped in focal point of a 18

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-04 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote: Of course it should be given an unique IP address. Actually there is no reason that a fixed IP is ever used. You actually don't even need a fixed hostname (at least above the per-connection level, you do it for convenience). --

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-04 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, David Howe wrote: I think what I am trying to say is - given a normal internet user using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone in the cloud, how does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that machine is not given a unique IP address? few

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-04 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: Eugen Leitl wrote: On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: What I don't understand is how a node knows the location of a person who moves about in the first place. The node spans a cell. Similiar to your cellular phone, you can link

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-03 Thread Steve Schear
At 12:54 PM 12/3/2002 -0500, Sunder wrote: Simple. Signal strength from at least three access points will pinpoint your location. If any of the AP's have known GPS coordinates, your location can be interpolated. To fix this, change your MAC address (or whatever WiFi uses for that), randomly

Re: CDR: Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov.29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote: Jim Choate wrote: On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote: The scaling problem is a valid one up to a point. The others are not. The biggest problem is people trying to do distributed computing using non-distributed os'es (eg *nix clones and

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002(fwd)

2002-12-02 Thread Jim Choate
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: Photons are bosons, so they don't interact with each other. Generally, don't forget 'entanglement' which is clearly interacting with each other ;) Well, by interfere I meant in the detectors of course. So are you telling me that two WiFi receivers

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-02 Thread David Howe
at Monday, December 02, 2002 8:42 AM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] was seen to say: No, an orthogonal identifier is sufficient. In fact, DNS loc would be a good start. I think what I am trying to say is - given a normal internet user using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone in the

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-02 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Dave Howe wrote: ah. Sorry, I don't think of dns as a name service (apart from once removed) - we are talking DHCP or similar routable-address assignment. You can use GPS as naming service (name collisions are then equivalent to physical space

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, David Howe wrote: I think what I am trying to say is - given a normal internet user using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone in the cloud, how does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that machine is not given a unique IP address? few if

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002

2002-12-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Peter Fairbrother wrote: What I don't understand is how a node knows the location of a person who moves about in the first place. The node spans a cell. Similiar to your cellular phone, you can link an ID to a cell. Within the cell you can use relativistic ping and/or

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote: without routing and name services, you have what amounts to a propriatory I believe I mentioned geographic routing (which is actually switching, and not routing) so your packets get delivered, as the crow flies. The question of name services. How often do

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-01 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: Self-routing mesh networks have potential to sidestep this. Transistors are small and cheap enough even today - the centralised communication infrastructure is there so that you can be charged, not because technology dictates that any more. With

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-12-01 Thread Dave Howe
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote: I believe I mentioned geographic routing (which is actually switching, and not routing) so your packets get delivered, as the crow flies. The question of name services. How often do you actually use a domain name as an end user? Not

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Dave Howe
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/11/21/yourtech.wifis/index.html Its a nice idea, but unfortunately gets easily bitten by the usual networking bugbears 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Dave Howe
Jim Choate wrote: On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote: The scaling problem is a valid one up to a point. The others are not. The biggest problem is people trying to do distributed computing using non-distributed os'es (eg *nix clones and Microsloth). not as such, no. the vast majority of free

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Morlock Elloi
Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing and admin traffic. Name services? Who needs name services? Localhost is sufficient for a prefix to an address namepace. without routing and name services, you have what amounts to a propriatory NAT solution - no way to

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Dave Howe
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing and admin

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Dave Howe
Morlock Elloi wrote: Not so. Self-organasing mesh networks appear to have some interesting properties. There is a number of open solutions and at least one startup I know about based on this. snip links fascinating - I obviously have a lot of reading to do - thankyou :)

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Morlock Elloi
1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address ranges start to become a scarce resource. Not so. Self-organasing mesh networks appear to have some interesting properties. There is a number of

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Tyler Durden
of the connection (Cable Modem providers don't normally like that). From: Dave Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Email List: Cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:57:13 - Jim Choate wrote: On Sat

Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29, 2002 (fwd)

2002-11-30 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote: 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing and admin traffic. Name services?