On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, David Howe wrote:
> I think what I am trying to say is - given a "normal" internet user
> using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone "in the cloud", how
> does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that
> machine is not given a unique IP address
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> Of course it should be given an unique IP address.
Actually there is no reason that a fixed IP is ever used. You actually
don't even need a fixed hostname (at least above the per-connection
level, you do it for convenience).
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, David Howe wrote:
> I think what I am trying to say is - given a "normal" internet user
> using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone "in the cloud", how
> does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that
> machine is not given a unique IP address?
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> ah. Sorry, I don't think of dns as a name service (apart from once
> removed) - we are talking DHCP or similar routable-address assignment.
You can use GPS as naming service (name collisions are then equivalent to
physical space collisions). You can actuall
at Monday, December 02, 2002 8:42 AM, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
seen to say:
> No, an orthogonal identifier is sufficient. In fact, DNS loc would be
> a good start.
I think what I am trying to say is - given a "normal" internet user
using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone "
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> Jim Choate wrote:
> > On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> > The scaling problem is a valid one up to a point. The others are not.
> > The biggest problem is people trying to do distributed computing using
> > non-distributed os'es (eg *nix clones and Mi
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
> "Photons are bosons, so they don't interact with each other.
Generally, don't forget 'entanglement' which is clearly interacting with
each other ;)
> Well, by interfere I meant in the detectors of course. So are you telling me
> that two WiFi receivers
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
> I just don't see how a single WiFi cloud will be able to scale very far.
All
> the WiFi users w
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> I believe I mentioned geographic routing (which is actually
> switching, and not routing) so your packets get delivered, as the
> crow flies. The question of name services. How often do you actually
> use a domain name as an end user? Not
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
> I just don't see how a single WiFi cloud will be able to scale very far. All
> the WiFi users within "eyeshot" of each other are always going to contend
> for bandwidth, no? It'll be just like the old half-duplex 10BaseT copper
There is limited bandwi
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> Self-routing mesh networks have potential to sidestep this. Transistors are
> small and cheap enough even today - the centralised communication
> infrastructure is there so that you can be charged, not because technology
> dictates that any more. With wi
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> without routing and name services, you have what amounts to a propriatory
I believe I mentioned geographic routing (which is actually switching, and
not routing) so your packets get delivered, as the crow flies. The
question of name services. How often do y
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
> > 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
> > routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing and
admin traffic. Name services
en
touting that they're very happy for you to put a home-based LAN on your side
of the connection (Cable Modem providers don't normally like that).
From: "Dave Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Email List: Cypherpunks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:
> 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
> routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
> ranges start to become a scarce resource.
Not so. Self-organasing mesh networks appear to have some interesting
properties. There is a number of o
Morlock Elloi wrote:
> Not so. Self-organasing mesh networks appear to have some interesting
> properties. There is a number of open solutions and at least one
> startup I know about based on this.
fascinating - I obviously have a lot of reading to do - thankyou :)
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
>
>>> 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start
>>> to need routers and name services that are relatively expensive,
>>> and ip address
> Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing
> and
> > Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing
> > and admin traffic. Name services? Who needs name services? Localhost
> > is sufficient for a prefix to an address namepace.
> without routing and name services, you have what amounts to a propriatory
> NAT solution - no way
Jim Choate wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> The scaling problem is a valid one up to a point. The others are not.
> The biggest problem is people trying to do distributed computing using
> non-distributed os'es (eg *nix clones and Microsloth).
not as such, no. the vast majority of "
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
> > http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/11/21/yourtech.wifis/index.html
> Its a nice idea, but unfortunately gets easily bitten by the usual
> networking bugbears
> 1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
> routers and name services
> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/11/21/yourtech.wifis/index.html
Its a nice idea, but unfortunately gets easily bitten by the usual
networking bugbears
1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
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