On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, Eugen Leitl wrote:
Of course it should be given an unique IP address.
Actually there is no reason that a fixed IP is ever used. You actually
don't even need a fixed hostname (at least above the per-connection
level, you do it for convenience).
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On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, David Howe wrote:
I think what I am trying to say is - given a normal internet user
using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone in the cloud, how
does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that
machine is not given a unique IP address? few
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
Jim Choate wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
The scaling problem is a valid one up to a point. The others are not.
The biggest problem is people trying to do distributed computing using
non-distributed os'es (eg *nix clones and
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
Photons are bosons, so they don't interact with each other.
Generally, don't forget 'entanglement' which is clearly interacting with
each other ;)
Well, by interfere I meant in the detectors of course. So are you telling me
that two WiFi receivers
at Monday, December 02, 2002 8:42 AM, Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] was
seen to say:
No, an orthogonal identifier is sufficient. In fact, DNS loc would be
a good start.
I think what I am trying to say is - given a normal internet user
using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone in the
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, David Howe wrote:
I think what I am trying to say is - given a normal internet user
using IPv4 software that wants to connect to someone in the cloud, how
does he identify *to his software* the machine in the cloud if that
machine is not given a unique IP address? few if
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
without routing and name services, you have what amounts to a propriatory
I believe I mentioned geographic routing (which is actually switching, and
not routing) so your packets get delivered, as the crow flies. The
question of name services. How often do
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
Self-routing mesh networks have potential to sidestep this. Transistors are
small and cheap enough even today - the centralised communication
infrastructure is there so that you can be charged, not because technology
dictates that any more. With
Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
I believe I mentioned geographic routing (which is actually
switching, and not routing) so your packets get delivered, as the
crow flies. The question of name services. How often do you actually
use a domain name as an end user? Not
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/11/21/yourtech.wifis/index.html
Its a nice idea, but unfortunately gets easily bitten by the usual
networking bugbears
1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
Jim Choate wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Dave Howe wrote:
The scaling problem is a valid one up to a point. The others are not.
The biggest problem is people trying to do distributed computing using
non-distributed os'es (eg *nix clones and Microsloth).
not as such, no. the vast majority of free
Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing
and admin traffic. Name services? Who needs name services? Localhost
is sufficient for a prefix to an address namepace.
without routing and name services, you have what amounts to a propriatory
NAT solution - no way to
Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start
to need routers and name services that are relatively expensive,
and ip address
Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing
and admin
Morlock Elloi wrote:
Not so. Self-organasing mesh networks appear to have some interesting
properties. There is a number of open solutions and at least one
startup I know about based on this.
snip links
fascinating - I obviously have a lot of reading to do - thankyou :)
1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
ranges start to become a scarce resource.
Not so. Self-organasing mesh networks appear to have some interesting
properties. There is a number of
of the connection (Cable Modem providers don't normally like that).
From: Dave Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Email List: Cypherpunks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CNN.com - WiFi activists on free Web crusade - Nov. 29,
2002 (fwd)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:57:13 -
Jim Choate wrote:
On Sat
On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Morlock Elloi wrote:
1. large wifi networks start to hit scaling problems - they start to need
routers and name services that are relatively expensive, and ip address
Geographic routing completely eliminates need for expensive routing and
admin traffic. Name services?
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