Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-07 Thread Todd Boyle
Somebody said, Frankly, if using my card saves me $10 on a roast, it's hard for me not to think it's a good exchange.. Hogwash. It's not saving customers anything at all. Same gimmick as credit cards. Take away a percentage from noncard-holders and give it to the cardholders. What economic

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-06 Thread Tim May
On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 07:44 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: Actually, many stores go to a lot of trouble to find a pessimal arrangement of items - the more shelves a customer walks past, the more impulse buys he/she is likely to make. There's a reason the dairy section is usually the furthest

RE: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-06 Thread Trei, Peter
Mike Rosing[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Todd Boyle wrote: Its not enough to put the chips next to the beer. They want to examining the layout of all their shelf space. The cash register data alone, is enough to do this, but it doesn't work very well for

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-06 Thread Michael Motyka
If I remember correctly, right after the WTC attack one of the grocery chains, I think it was Safeway, immediately offered it's customer lists to the FBI. What were they going to do profile people who bought excessive amounts of chick peas, garlic and lemons? Albertson's has recently returned

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, John Kelsey wrote: It's worth pointing out that if you can afford to do the computerized part of this search for your top 16 suspects today, you'll be able to do it for your top thousand suspects in less than ten years, just assuming processing and storage gets cheaper at

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-04 Thread Sunder
Not in any 1U system that I know of unless you mean multiple racks. The biggest ATA drives I see on the market today are 200GB. Most 1U systems won't hold more than two of these. That's nowhere near 1TB! Also you're forgetting about doing backups; and I don't know about you, but I get a

Re: Won't someone think of the stoned data-entry keyboarders? (Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards)

2003-01-03 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, January 1, 2003, at 07:34 PM, Major Variola (ret) wrote: Its very common, if the person in front of you hasn't a card, to loan your card (to a total stranger! gasp!) when you them without. I've also noticed that the checkers now keep a working card to use in these situations.

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-02 Thread John Kelsey
At 01:46 PM 12/31/02 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: ... The scalability of the problem is much different depending on your goals. If you want to sort through the transcriptions of people who bought drugs and knives and airline tickets but no luggage in an effort to find potential terrorists, that's

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-02 Thread Mike Rosing
On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: * I expect most uses of customer courtesy cards are to try to get some kind of brand loyalty going. People thinking Well, I have a card at Albertson's, but not at Safeway, so I'll go to Albertson's. They'd love that, but know better. * Dossier-compiling

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-02 Thread Mike Rosing
On Wed, 1 Jan 2003, Todd Boyle wrote: Its not enough to put the chips next to the beer. They want to examining the layout of all their shelf space. The cash register data alone, is enough to do this, but it doesn't work very well for shoppers who come and buy chips on tuesday and beer on

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-02 Thread Todd Boyle
At 07:12 PM 1/1/2003, Mike Rosing wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: * I expect most uses of customer courtesy cards are to try to get some kind of brand loyalty going. People thinking Well, I have a card at Albertson's, but not at Safeway, so I'll go to Albertson's. They'd love

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Collecting valid name information costs a vendor money (both in labor, computerization/records, and in driving some customers elsewhere). It also deters some people from completing transactions. To see an example of data collection done on a grand scale, have a

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2003-01-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a credit card with the name Shostack, and an expired membership card in the

Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a credit card with the name Shostack, and an expired membership card in the name Doe. Interesting point on

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Adam Shostack
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:02:48AM -0800, Tim May wrote: | On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: | | At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: | Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a | credit card with the name Shostack, and an

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 12:03 -0800 on 12/31/02, Tim May wrote: Yes. So? Notice that exactly the same type of coupon is printed out with a cash or non courtesy card purchase. It's a purely local calculation. In programming terms, a purely local variable situation. No. Obviously the coupon was closely linked

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Kevin Elliott
At 11:02 -0800 on 12/31/02, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a credit card with the name Shostack, and an expired

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: But what if this data is used as part of a larger picture, such as in TIA. It definitely can be used, along with gas purchases, to track where a suspect, aka a citizen, is living. Also, many possible weapons such as

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:02:48AM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of Hughes, a credit card with the name Shostack, and an

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:41 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 11:02 -0800 on 12/31/02, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kevin Elliott wrote: At 12:12 -0500 on 12/31/02, Adam Shostack wrote: Rummaging through my wallet...a grocery card in the name of

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 12:12:02PM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: But what if this data is used as part of a larger picture, such as in TIA. It definitely can be used, along with gas purchases, to track where a suspect, aka a citizen,

Re: Dossiers and Customer Courtesy Cards

2002-12-31 Thread Bill Stewart
At 12:27 PM 12/31/2002 -0800, Michael Cardenas wrote: On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 12:12:02PM -0800, Tim May wrote: On Tuesday, December 31, 2002, at 11:32 AM, Michael Cardenas wrote: As for your point about prescription drugs, box cutters, kitchen knives being trackable, I assume this is a troll