Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-08 Thread James A. Donald
-- Peter Gutmann wrote: Nobles expected to surrender to other nobles and be ransomed. Commoners didn't respect this, and almost never took prisoners. Henry's orders didn't make that much difference, at best they were a we'll turn a blind eye notification to his troops. The english army was

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-08 Thread Peter Gutmann
James A. Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I find this very hard to believe. Post links, or give citations. Normally I'd dig up various refs, but since this topic has been beaten to death repeatedly in places like soc.history.medieval, and the debate could well go on endlessly in the manner of

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- Peter Gutmann wrote: That's the traditional Agincourt interpretation. More modern ones (backed up by actual tests with arrows of the time against armour, in which the relatively soft metal of the arrows was rather ineffective against the armour) I find this very hard to believe. Post

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-07 Thread James A. Donald
-- Peter Gutmann wrote: That's the traditional Agincourt interpretation. More modern ones (backed up by actual tests with arrows of the time against armour, in which the relatively soft metal of the arrows was rather ineffective against the armour) You have this garbled. According to

Re: In a Sky Dark With Arrows, Death Rained Down

2004-11-06 Thread Peter Gutmann
R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These were not the sort of sporting arrows skillfully shot toward gayly colored targets by Victorian archery societies (charmingly described by Mr. Soar in later chapters) but heavy bodkin pointed battle shafts that went through the armor of man and horse.