Re: CDR: Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-22 Thread Michael Shields
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. It seems to me that works could be removed from the public domain without passing an ex post facto law, as long as this hypothetical law did not affect works created or copies

Re: CDR: Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-22 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Michael Shields wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. It seems to me that works could be removed from the public domain without passing an ex post facto law, as long as this hypothetical law did not

Re: CDR: Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Marc de Piolenc
The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. Marc Bill Stewart wrote: There were documents that were _going_ to become public domain soon that will now stay copyrighted for another 20 years, and one of the issues addressed by the Supremes in Eldred was whether the grant of an extra 20

Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Peter Fairbrother
Bill Stewart wrote: At 09:54 AM 01/20/2003 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: It dwindles because the rate at which the copyright period is increasing averages more than 1 year/year. Quite a number of works which had been in the public domain fell out of it when the 20 year extension went into

Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:51:46 +0800, you wrote: The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. Marc First, the US Constitution is a piece of paper currently being ignored by this administration, and most likely any administration going forward. The current stance of the US government is

Re: CDR: Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Marc de Piolenc
Alif The Terrible wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Marc de Piolenc wrote: The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. Which has not stopped them yet. Actually, that provision has held quite well so far. I can't think of one exception...unless it's this latest copyright extension.

Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread lcs Mixmaster Remailer
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:26:22 +0800, you wrote: Alif The Terrible wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Marc de Piolenc wrote: The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. Which has not stopped them yet. Actually, that provision has held quite well so far. I can't think of one

Re: CDR: Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Marc de Piolenc wrote: The US Constitution prohibits ex post facto laws. Which has not stopped them yet. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards

RE: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Trei, Peter
Peter Fairbrother[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Bill Stewart wrote: At 09:54 AM 01/20/2003 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: It dwindles because the rate at which the copyright period is increasing averages more than 1 year/year. Quite a number of works which had been in the public domain fell

RE: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Trei, Peter wrote: However, in 1993, Republic Pictures started to assert control on the basis that the song Buffalo Girls (which occurs many times throughout the film) was still in copyright. So, the film has effectively been removed from PD, after being in PD for

RE: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Trei, Peter
Jack Lloyd[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Trei, Peter wrote: However, in 1993, Republic Pictures started to assert control on the basis that the song Buffalo Girls (which occurs many times throughout the film) was still in copyright. So, the film has effectively been

RE: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Trei, Peter wrote: The song is sung by Jimmy Stewart, on camera, so a new soundtrack would be tough. Given that they can make dead actors dance in commercials, I can't imagine it would be terribly difficult to do it. Though I know next to nothing about video editing in

RE: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Bill Frantz
At 2:50 PM -0800 1/21/03, Jack Lloyd wrote: On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Trei, Peter wrote: The song is sung by Jimmy Stewart, on camera, so a new soundtrack would be tough. Given that they can make dead actors dance in commercials, I can't imagine it would be terribly difficult to do it. Though I

RE: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-21 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:36 PM 01/21/2003 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: But after making this dead actor sing a different song, it would a new work, and the copyright clock would be reset. Now if someone wants to do the work on an open-source-like basis... It's obviously a job for an Alan Smithee film... you can

Re: CDR: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-20 Thread Marc de Piolenc
None of this is relevant to individuals copying works for scholarship or research. Fair Use still applies. Matthew X wrote: We learned as much on Wednesday when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress can repeatedly extend copyright terms, as it did most recently in 1998 when it added 20

RE: CDR: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-20 Thread Trei, Peter
Marc de Piolenc[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Matthew X wrote: We learned as much on Wednesday when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress can repeatedly extend copyright terms, as it did most recently in 1998 when it added 20 years to the terms for new and existing works. He wanted

Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-20 Thread AARG! Anonymous
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:34:09 +0800, you wrote: None of this is relevant to individuals copying works for scholarship or research. Fair Use still applies. Matthew X wrote: We learned as much on Wednesday when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress can repeatedly extend copyright

Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-20 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:54 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: How can it dwindle? The public domain can only increase or hold steady. All this ruling does is damp the rate of increase. Marc de Piolenc It dwindles because the rate at which the copyright period is increasing averages more than 1 year/year.

RE: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-20 Thread Trei, Peter
-- From: Steve Schear[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Supremes and thieves. At 09:54 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: How can it dwindle? The public domain can only increase or hold

Re: Supremes and thieves.

2003-01-20 Thread Bill Stewart
At 09:54 AM 01/20/2003 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: It dwindles because the rate at which the copyright period is increasing averages more than 1 year/year. Quite a number of works which had been in the public domain fell out of it when the 20 year extension went into effect. The public domain