On 2004-11-08T10:09:41-0500, John Kelsey wrote:
Kerry spent essentially no time talking about the creepy implications
of the Jose Padilla case (isn't he still being held incommunicado,
pending filing in the right district?), or the US government's use of
torture in the war on terror despite
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
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JAT wrote...
This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million
people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip
Up The
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
Well, every people deserve the government they get, and these hillbillies
are no exception. Bush will dominate them, take away their rights, make them
poor and scared, and they'll deserve every bit of it. (Where's a Tim May
rant when you need one?)
From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Nov 6, 2004 5:07 PM
To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: The Values-Vote Myth
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
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So: A 'moral values' question for Cypherpunks. Does this election indict
J.A. Terranson schrieb:
This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60
million people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly
awaiting their Trip Up The Chimneys.
Wow! A Tim May copycat!
(Both the 'useless eaters' and the 'chimney'!)
--
J.A. Terranson wrote:
The fact is that those who did not vote effectively voted for Shrub.
You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem.
Inaction is not good enough.
Voting is not a solution.
Voting only encourages them. If you vote for a candidate, and he
wins, he
JAT wrote...
This election *proves* that at least half the electorate, about 60 million
people, are just Useless Eaters, who should be eagerly awaiting their Trip
Up The Chimneys.
A...I need a cigarette.
But I suspect it's far more likely that some large batch of USA-ians will
end up having a
Holy Crap! Am I on crack? I think I agree with everything here!
However...
(James Donald wrote...)
I cannot understand why you Bush haters are so excited about this
election when on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, Kerry promised to
continue all Bush's policies only more effectually.
That's
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
J.A. Terranson wrote:
The fact is that those who did not vote effectively voted for Shrub.
You are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem.
Inaction is not good enough.
Voting is not a solution.
Voting only encourages
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Sent: Nov 6, 2004 5:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Values-Vote Myth
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Also, voting is in some sense political manipulation to blame the population
for the
actions of their government. Everyone who votes is a co-conspirator, and the
argument
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 08:46:17 -0500, Tyler Durden
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In other words, he won because some hillbilly was afraid that the guy at the
local 7-11 was going to blow up his chicked farm. Those of us living close
enough to Ground Zero to smell it back in those days are apprarently
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Tyler Durden wrote:
In other words, he won because some hillbilly was afraid that the guy at the
local 7-11 was going to blow up his chicked farm.
Precisely.
So: A 'moral values' question for Cypherpunks. Does this election indict the
American people as being complicit
On 2004-11-06T16:39:41+0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 08:46:17AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
So: A 'moral values' question for Cypherpunks. Does this election indict
the American people as being complicit in the crime known as Operation
Of course. What kind of question
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Justin wrote:
On 2004-11-06T16:39:41+0100, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 08:46:17AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
So: A 'moral values' question for Cypherpunks. Does this election indict
the American people as being complicit in the crime known as
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 18:25:19 +, Justin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not true.
much busywork math deleted
Saddam had 100% turnout, and won 100% of the vote. Does that make his
election more legitimate to you?
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Pete Capelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 06:25:19PM +, Justin wrote:
Not true.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/voter.turnout.ap/
[Curtis] Gans puts the total turnout at nearly 120 million people.
That represents just under 60% of eligible voters...
You didn't vote against a candidate, you
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At 6:25 PM + 11/6/04, Justin wrote:
65m/141m = 46% of registered voters voted for Bush
Of course, you can invert the math and say the same about Kerry, plus
Bush's 3-something million margin, I'm afraid. Hell, Rush said
exactly the same thing on
--- R.A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When asked about
the issue that most
influenced their vote, voters were given the option
of saying moral
values. But that phrase can mean anything - or
nothing. Who doesn't vote
on moral values? If you ask an inept question, you
get a misleading
J.A. Terranson wrote:
The fact is that those who did not vote effectively voted for Shrub. You
are either part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Inaction
is not good enough.
This would only be true if the President were elected by popular vote.
In states where one candidate
On Sat, Nov 06, 2004 at 08:46:17AM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
So: A 'moral values' question for Cypherpunks. Does this election indict
the American people as being complicit in the crime known as Operation
Of course. What kind of question is that? Regardless of voting fraud, about
half of US
He won because 53 percent of voters approved of his performance as
president. Fifty-eight percent of them trust Bush to fight terrorism. They
had roughly equal confidence in Bush and Kerry to handle the economy. Most
approved of the decision to go to war in Iraq. Most see it as part of the
war on
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/opinion/06brooks.html?hp=pagewanted=printposition=
The New York Times
November 6, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
The Values-Vote Myth
By DAVID BROOKS
Every election year, we in the commentariat come up with a story line to
explain the result, and the story line has
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