Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-14 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 01:28 PM 1/13/04 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: It would seem that once GNURadio comes to fruition that many devices, including those the FCC would like to regulate, could be built from its generic, non-video, architecture. In that case, wouldn't FCC mandates applied to end-users (since end users

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-13 Thread Steve Furlong
On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 15:48, Tim May wrote: (Though of course this is only the _theory_. The fact that all of the Bill of Rights, except perhaps the Third, have been violated by the Evildoers in government is well-known.) A few years ago I wrote a short paper looking at government-installed

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-13 Thread Tim May
On Jan 12, 2004, at 7:46 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 15:48, Tim May wrote: (Though of course this is only the _theory_. The fact that all of the Bill of Rights, except perhaps the Third, have been violated by the Evildoers in government is well-known.) A few years ago I wrote

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-13 Thread Steve Schear
At 11:23 PM 1/12/2004, Tim May wrote: During the Carnivore debate, I argued that mandatory placement of computer agents in systems was equivalent to quartering troops: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg03198.html The Third Amendment, about quartering troops, is seldom-applied.

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-13 Thread Tim May
On Jan 13, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Steve Schear wrote: At 11:23 PM 1/12/2004, Tim May wrote: During the Carnivore debate, I argued that mandatory placement of computer agents in systems was equivalent to quartering troops: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg03198.html The Third

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-13 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 12:55:18PM -0600, bgt wrote: This has probably been mentioned here before, but another interesting approach is what justicefiles.org used to do (I'm not sure what the status of the site is, it seems to be down now). I believe the fellow who put up the site took it down

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-13 Thread Steve Schear
At 10:48 AM 1/13/2004, Tim May wrote: On Jan 13, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Steve Schear wrote: This was from July, 2000. I believe it also came up in earlier discussions, including in a panel I was on with Michael Froomkin at a CFP in 1995. I could assume this also applies to the the TCPS (if it is

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-12 Thread Steve Furlong
On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 02:07, Tim May wrote: Read up on the Lawson case in San Diego. Tim is referring to Edward Lawson, arrested repeatedly and convicted once in the late 1970s for walking around without ID. The appeal made it to the Supreme Court, as Kolender v Lawson, 461 US 352 (1983).

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-12 Thread Nostradumbass
At 03:20 PM 1/11/2004, Jamie Lawrence wrote: A client/friend recently spent 9 hours in jail for failure to carry a wallet. He was doing something mildly suspicious, but not illegal. NYC has a very entrenched industry dealing with processing people the cops pick up. This has only gotten worse since

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-12 Thread Tim May
On Jan 11, 2004, at 11:33 PM, Steve Furlong wrote: On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 02:07, Tim May wrote: Read up on the Lawson case in San Diego. Tim is referring to Edward Lawson, arrested repeatedly and convicted once in the late 1970s for walking around without ID. The appeal made it to the Supreme

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-12 Thread bgt
On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 01:26, Tim May wrote: Have you done this since 9/11? I know that in my [red]neck of the woods, I would without question be spending a few days in the system for this. That's what sniper rifles with low light scopes are for: kill one or both or all of the cops

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-12 Thread Tim May
On Jan 12, 2004, at 10:40 AM, bgt wrote: On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 01:07, Tim May wrote: On Jan 11, 2004, at 2:12 PM, bgt wrote: On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 13:57, Tim May wrote: I don't know if he did, but of course there is no requirement in the U.S. that citizen-units either carry or present ID. Unless

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-11 Thread Nostradumbass
At 03:20 PM 1/11/2004, Jamie Lawrence wrote: A client/friend recently spent 9 hours in jail for failure to carry a wallet. He was doing something mildly suspicious, but not illegal. NYC has a very entrenched industry dealing with processing people the cops pick up. This has only gotten worse since

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-11 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Steve Furlong wrote: I've occasionally handed out pamphlets on jury nullification outside the local county courthouse. Never been arrested for it, but I've caught a raft of shit from cops. Have you done this since 9/11? I know that in my [red]neck of the woods, I would

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-11 Thread Steve Furlong
On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 14:18, Steve Schear wrote: Did you carry and present ID? No. Once it was requested (strongly requested, just short of a demand with threats), but when I demanded his justification he backed down. In NY, at least at the time, citizens were not required to carry or present

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-11 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:53 PM 1/10/2004, Steve Furlong wrote: On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 19:02, J.A. Terranson wrote: What good is a Jury when the judge can pick and choose which arguments and evidence you can provide in support of your case? I've occasionally handed out pamphlets on jury nullification outside the

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-11 Thread Tim May
On Jan 11, 2004, at 11:18 AM, Steve Schear wrote: At 06:53 PM 1/10/2004, Steve Furlong wrote: On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 19:02, J.A. Terranson wrote: What good is a Jury when the judge can pick and choose which arguments and evidence you can provide in support of your case? I've occasionally

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-11 Thread bgt
On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 13:57, Tim May wrote: I don't know if he did, but of course there is no requirement in the U.S. that citizen-units either carry or present ID. Unless they are driving a car or operating a few selected classes of heavy machinery. Many states do have laws allowing the

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-10 Thread Tim May
On Jan 9, 2004, at 10:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its hard to square the Founder's purpose of providing the common citizen, through a militia (which a National Guard), with an effective physical deterrent to governmental tyranny with many restrictions on the type of weapons a citizen in

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-10 Thread Steve Furlong
On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 19:02, J.A. Terranson wrote: What good is a Jury when the judge can pick and choose which arguments and evidence you can provide in support of your case? I've occasionally handed out pamphlets on jury nullification outside the local county courthouse. Never been arrested

Re: US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-10 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Greg Broiles wrote: At 08:59 AM 1/8/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The great American experiment finally fizzled on December 1, 2003, when the US Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from a 9th Federal Circuit decision which gutted the Second Amendment. It was a nice

US Finally Kills The 2nd Ammendment

2004-01-08 Thread Nostradumbass
The great American experiment finally fizzled on December 1, 2003, when the US Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from a 9th Federal Circuit decision which gutted the Second Amendment. It was a nice run - over two hundred years. As of December 1, 2003, the US Supreme Court issued its