Hal Finney wrote:
Ben Laurie writes:
How do you make the payment already gone without using a third party?
Of course there has to be a third party in the form of the currency
issuer. If it is someone like e-gold, they could do as I suggested and
add a feature where the buyer could transfer funds
Tyler Durden wrote:
What if I block the outbound release the money message after I
unbundle the images. Sure, I've already committed my money, but you
can't get to it. In effect I've just ripped you off, because I have
usable product and you don't have usable money.
Well, yes, but this would be
argue what's the point
if you already need a 3rd party for the e$. But I think that's a disjoint
set of issues.
-TD
From: Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Your source code, for sale
Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:50:28
looking like that's what's going to make sense 99% of the time anyway.
-TD
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Finney)
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Subject: Re: Your source code, for sale
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:51:24 -0800 (PST)
Ben Laurie writes:
How do you make the payment already gone without using a third
Ben Laurie writes:
How do you make the payment already gone without using a third party?
Of course there has to be a third party in the form of the currency
issuer. If it is someone like e-gold, they could do as I suggested and
add a feature where the buyer could transfer funds irrevocably into
Enzo Michelangeli writes:
In the world of international trade, where mutual distrust between buyer
and seller is often the rule and there is no central authority to
enforce
the law, this is traditionally achieved by interposing not less than
three
trusted third parties: the shipping line,
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[Hal:]
Interesting. In the e-gold case, both parties have the same bank,
e-gold ltd. The
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The problem is that if the source code you are purchasing is
bogus, or if the other side doesn't come through, you're
screwed because you've lost the value of the torn
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Tyler Durden writes:
So my newbie-style question is, is there an eGold that can be
verified, but not accessed, until a 'release' code is sent?
In other words, say I'm buying some
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Hal Finney wrote:
Another idea along these lines is gradual payment for gradual release
of the goods. You pay 10% of the amount and they give you 10% of the
source code. You pay another 10% and you get the next 10% of the source,
and so on.
Just as an aside, this is in
Ben Laurie made a lot of useful points. However,...
Simultaneous release is (provably?) impossible without a trusted third
party.
I don't think I believe this. Or at least, I don't think it's true to the
extent necessary to make the original application impossible.
Consider:
I send you money
Tyler Durden wrote:
Hum.
So my newbie-style question is, is there an eGold that can be verified,
but not accessed, until a 'release' code is sent?
proof-of-delivery protocols might help (but they're patented, as I
discovered when I reinvented them a few years back).
In other words, say I'm
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:01:41 -0500, Tyler Durden
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...
My photo-bundle receives the releases and opens, and then shoots off a
message that activates the pre-release on your end, giving you the cash.
Is a 3rd party necessary here? I don't see it, but then again I could
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 03:01:15PM -0800, Hal Finney wrote:
Another idea along these lines is gradual payment for gradual release
of the goods. You pay 10% of the amount and they give you 10% of the
source code. You pay another 10% and you get the next 10% of the source,
and so on. (Or it
What if I block the outbound release the money message after I
unbundle the images. Sure, I've already committed my money, but you
can't get to it. In effect I've just ripped you off, because I have
usable product and you don't have usable money.
Well, yes, but this would be a very significant
Enzo Michelangeli writes:
In the world of international trade, where mutual distrust between buyer
and seller is often the rule and there is no central authority to enforce
the law, this is traditionally achieved by interposing not less than three
trusted third parties: the shipping line, the
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At 10:18 AM -0800 11/5/04, Hal Finney wrote:
Yes, I'm looking at ideas like this for ecash gambling, but you have
a who-goes-first problem.
Whenever we talk about financial applications, where the assets
represented by one bearer certificate are
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Subject: Your source code, for sale
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 19:24:43 -0500
http://www.adtmag.com/print.asp?id=10225
- ADTmag.com
Your source code, for sale
By Mike Gunderloy
Well, maybe not yet. But what does the future hold for those who consider
their source code an important proprietary
Tyler Durden writes:
So my newbie-style question is, is there an eGold that can be verified, but
not accessed, until a 'release' code is sent?
In other words, say I'm buying some hacker-ed code and pay in egold. I don't
want them to be able to 'cash' the gold until I have the code.
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