Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?

2005-10-05 Thread Roy M. Silvernail
cyphrpunk wrote:

On 10/3/05, Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Can anyone suggest a tool for checking to see if my Tor client is performing
any surreptitious signaling?



The Tor protocol is complicated and most of the data is encrypted.
You're not going to be able to see what's happening there.
  

tinfoil_hat
What about a trojan that phones home directly, then phones home when the
Tor tunnel is set up, giving its owner a correlation between your True
IP and Tor IP?  Useful, in a black-hatted way?
/tinfoil_hat

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Re: Just to make your life more paranoid:) Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?

2005-10-05 Thread Tyler Durden

Steve Furlong wrote...


The noisy protocol has the added benefit of causing the network cable
to emit lots of radiation, frying the brains of TOR users. The only
defense is a hat made of flexible metal.


More than that, I'd bet they engineered that noise to stimulate the very 
parts of the brain responsible for Wikipedia entries...


-TD




Re: Just to make your life more paranoid:) Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?

2005-10-04 Thread alan
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005, Steve Furlong wrote:

 On 10/4/05, gwen hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Troll Mode on:
  TOR was originally developed as a result of CIA/NRL funding:)
 ...
  BTW running TOR makes you very visible that you are running tor even as
  a client.. its quite a noisy protocol
 
 Well, of course that feature is built in. The NSA wants to be able
 to easily find anyone who's running it.
 
 The noisy protocol has the added benefit of causing the network cable
 to emit lots of radiation, frying the brains of TOR users. The only
 defense is a hat made of flexible metal.

Don't do it! That acts as an antenna and only increases the damage!

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Just to make your life more paranoid:) Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?

2005-10-04 Thread gwen hastings

Troll Mode on:
TOR was originally developed as a result of CIA/NRL funding:)

compile your own client and examine sources if you have this particular 
brand of paranoia(I do)

change to an OS which makes this easy ...

BTW running TOR makes you very visible that you are running tor even as 
a client.. its quite a noisy protocol



Troll Mode off:
:)


Tyler Durden wrote:

Can anyone suggest a tool for checking to see if my Tor client is 
performing any surreptitious signaling?


Seems to me there's a couple of possibilities for a TLA or someone 
else to monitor Tor users. Tor clients purchased online or whatever 
could possibly signal a monitoring agency for when and possibly where 
the user is online. This would mean that at bootup, some surreptitious 
packets could be fired off.


The problem here is that a clever TLA might be able to hide its POP 
behind the Tor network, so merely checking on IP addresses on outgoing 
packets wouldn't work.


Can anyone recommend a nice little package that can be used to check 
for unusual packets leaving my machine through the tor client?


-TD






Re: Just to make your life more paranoid:) Re: Surreptitious Tor Messages?

2005-10-04 Thread Steve Furlong
On 10/4/05, gwen hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Troll Mode on:
 TOR was originally developed as a result of CIA/NRL funding:)
..
 BTW running TOR makes you very visible that you are running tor even as
 a client.. its quite a noisy protocol

Well, of course that feature is built in. The NSA wants to be able
to easily find anyone who's running it.

The noisy protocol has the added benefit of causing the network cable
to emit lots of radiation, frying the brains of TOR users. The only
defense is a hat made of flexible metal.

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