On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 12:29:47PM -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Okay, but the thread was, I believe, about the destructive effects of
subsidy. So lets yank back that 20 billion just given to the airlines. How would
your flight have gone then? Would there even be one?
JetBlue launched fairly
On Thursday 30 January 2003 10:12 am, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 07:32:10AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
3) Train - about 17 hours - $130 round trip.
Out here in the Midwest, we have people creating committees all the time to
encourage Amtrak to add/change routes.
As
At 8:48 AM -0600 1/30/03, Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 12:41:17AM -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 12:04 AM -0800 1/30/03, Tim May wrote:
Sometime I take a bus when my car needs to be repaired. From my house
to Santa Cruz, a total of 13 miles, it takes a minimum of 80 minutes by
At 12:04 AM -0800 1/30/03, Tim May wrote:
Sometime I take a bus when my car needs to be repaired. From my house
to Santa Cruz, a total of 13 miles, it takes a minimum of 80 minutes by
bus. For a working person, ... as soon as
they can raise the money, they buy cars. Then that 80-minute each way
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 12:41:17AM -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 12:04 AM -0800 1/30/03, Tim May wrote:
Sometime I take a bus when my car needs to be repaired. From my house
to Santa Cruz, a total of 13 miles, it takes a minimum of 80 minutes by
bus. For a working person, ... as soon as
they
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 08:11 AM, Marshall Clow wrote:
At 9:52 AM -0600 1/30/03, Harmon Seaver wrote:
Also, you didn't factor in the subsidies. Those prices would change
greatly if
you took away the billions given to airlines recently, and the 100
years of
subsidies to trucks.
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Bill Frantz wrote:
I have had one case where taking the train was a big win over driving. I
was consulting in San Francisco, about 60 miles from my home. I found that
if I rode the train, I could work as I rode, and turn my travel time into
billable hours. I also
At 11:12 AM -0500 1/30/03, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 07:32:10AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
3) Train - about 17 hours - $130 round trip.
Help me out here - why would I take the train?
Recently I went from DC to SF. It took about five hours of flight time
each way
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 07:32:10AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
[snip]
Exactly. Trains are great. I currently live 80 miles from both Milwaukee and
Madison.
I recently had to travel from San Diego to San Francisco.
I investigated three options (all times are door to door)
1)
At 9:52 AM -0600 1/30/03, Harmon Seaver wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 07:32:10AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
[snip]
Exactly. Trains are great. I currently live 80 miles from both Milwaukee and
Madison.
I recently had to travel from San Diego to San Francisco.
I investigated three
Harmon Seaver[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 07:32:10AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
[snip]
Exactly. Trains are great. I currently live 80 miles from both
Milwaukee and
Madison.
I recently had to travel from San Diego to San Francisco.
I investigated
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 08:11:36AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
Also, you didn't factor in the subsidies. Those prices would change greatly if
you took away the billions given to airlines recently, and the 100 years of
subsidies to trucks. Travel times for the trains would be much, much better
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 01:28:54PM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
Factor in the subsidies? OK, lets start with the $20 odd billion in
subsidies
Amtrak has burned through since its inception. Back in '97 the average
subsidy for a Chicago to Denver passenger was $650.
Uh huh, and what about
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 11:12:17AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 07:32:10AM -0800, Marshall Clow wrote:
3) Train - about 17 hours - $130 round trip.
Help me out here - why would I take the train?
Recently I went from DC to SF. It took about five hours of
At 11:30 AM 01/30/2003 -0500, Jamie Lawrence wrote:
I lived in San Francisco for 10 years. One job I had required me to have
a car so I could get to a data center in San Jose in cases of
emergency (never happened), so I bought a cheap beater. Spent $1000 on
the car, $400 a year on insurance, and
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote:
This is a terribly important point, and failure to understand this
point is the source of more disagreements than I can count.
What if everyone thought that way? (Fallacy, as my actions will NOT
affect the choices of others, a situation most evident in
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