Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-19 Thread juan
On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 16:10:35 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:

> On Oct 19, 2016 2:51 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 08:23:36 -0200
> > Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Your friend Zen saw "artistic beauty" when a nuclear bomb killed
> > > great part of Tanaka family, who still lived in Hiroshima. ]
> >
> >
> > Do you mind providing the source for that claim?
> 
> Don't be lazy, Juan.  Search it on the list.  


So you don't have a source for the claim? 



> He wrote it months
> ago.  He was very explicit and shocked me a lot.  It was sick and
> disgusting.  And, of course, he didn't ask pardon when I left that
> thread, feeling really angry.
> 
> --
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
> right to say it."



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-19 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Oct 19, 2016 2:51 PM, "juan"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 08:23:36 -0200
> Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
>
>
> > Your friend Zen saw "artistic beauty" when a nuclear bomb killed
> > great part of Tanaka family, who still lived in Hiroshima. ]
>
>
> Do you mind providing the source for that claim?

Don't be lazy, Juan.  Search it on the list.  He wrote it months ago.  He
was very explicit and shocked me a lot.  It was sick and disgusting.  And,
of course, he didn't ask pardon when I left that thread, feeling really
angry.

--
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to
say it."


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-19 Thread juan
On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 08:23:36 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:


> Your friend Zen saw "artistic beauty" when a nuclear bomb killed
> great part of Tanaka family, who still lived in Hiroshima. ]


Do you mind providing the source for that claim?





Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-19 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Oct 19, 2016 2:18 AM, "Александр"  wrote:
>
>johny new-man (dick-man) took it as the ONLY and the MAJOR hook
he's got on Zen and now he bites him with it every Monday and Saturday.

John, do you "bite" Zenaan only at Mondays and Saturdays?  Do you want to
take turns?  So you can rest and choose better days for you, hahaha!!!  ;D

Please, talking seriously, bite your girlfriend or more interesting
persons.  Zen sent me some pics of him in private and I prefer to bury my
face in an ice cream pot, instead his lap, hahaha!!!  You know, I like men
and it is not exactly the case...  Too much Vegemite!  :)

> And whenever i see your post/someone qoutes you, i get a vomit reflex,
because i know it's gonna be super stupid or super ugly (the same refers to
Tanaka's posts, by the way).

Hey, it's good!  Thanks, Alex!  I love when people calls me "Tanaka"!  It's
my surname and I absolutely love it.  My family's legacy for me, my
heritage, my origins, my blood.  In Japanese, we always say the blood is
stronger (denser) than the water.  <3

Your friend Zen saw "artistic beauty" when a nuclear bomb killed great part
of Tanaka family, who still lived in Hiroshima.  Part of my family heritage
are deaths and ashes, because disgusting people like Zen, like you, Alex,
and Putin, and his North Korean dearest friend, Kim Jong-un, think it is
"beautiful" to menace countries and to destroy cities and lives.  I prefer
music and poetry, but psichopaths see beauty in massacres, in censorship,
in menace people with all kind of arms, including the nuclear ones...

> So i repeat my reply to one of your attacks on Zen:
> SHUT THE FUCK UP and leave this Great Human Being with the name "Zenaan".
> (◣◢)┌∩┐

Err...  Sorry, Alex, considering the received pics, I think it will be much
better for you stay flirting with Putin.  Zen definitely does _not_ seem a
"Great Human Being" in any sense and he is sooo boring...  Putin, at least,
is beautiful and likes sex, even being a political corrupt monster...  Keep
licking him instead annoy the list.  It'll be a better way of "serving your
country", hihi!  ;)

Hmm...  Your middle fingers have boners too, Alex.  Interesting.  It
happens a lot on this list.  I never will be a patent troll, but it would
be hilarious to announce the patented "CypherPunk Viagra for Fingers", an
useful method for satisfying your lover!  The merchandising could be
"Because fingers make much more than typing!"  :D

Here in Brazil, the men say "Enquanto eu tiver língua e dedo, mulher
nenhuma me mete medo!", in a sexual reference to use very well tongue and
fingers when "the little pony doesn't want to ride", hahaha!!!  ;D

The bad translation would be something, more or less, like "While I have
tongue and fingers, no woman will scare me!"  (will be not satisfied).  :)

Pneumonias are boring.  Still feeling bad, really sick, but life is fun.  I
want to live, be happy and kick some asses before leaving forever.  :)

Lovely days and nights for all of you.  Tender wishes of joy and inner
peace.  And laugh!  :D

Tanaka  <3


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread John
Alex - stick to the smaller "+100" style posts for your comrades. You aren't 
doing them any favors with these longer tirades.

You really come off as a disgusting sort of sycophant...or should I say, 
zenophant :).  Just making fun of your moronic word play, though I understand 
English isn't your first language...

In any case, it'd be nice if you stuck to rimming "Zen the great human beings" 
asshole in private. I imagine I'm not the only one grossed out.



John

On October 19, 2016 1:17:25 AM EDT, "Александр"  wrote:
>2016-10-19 2:41 GMT+03:00 John Newman :
>
>> Are you also a holocaust denier like your friend Zen?
>
>
>Oh, johny, johny... poor johny... you fought Juan and you totally lost,
>so
>now you came back to bite Zen you hate Zenaan and the Truth he
>spreads
>so much that you must bite him again and again and again. But the
>problem
>is - YOU ARE A SLANDERER, johny! A fucken SLANDERER!
>
>For the record - Zen has NEVER denied the holocaust, you cock sucker.
>NEVER!
>He published ONE political-historical essay that discussed about A LOT
>of
>things and   that was published on some holocaust denier site.. and
>TA-DAM... johny new-man (dick-man) took it as the ONLY and the MAJOR
>hook
>he's got on Zen and now he bites him with it every Monday and Saturday.
>
>You piece of stupid scum, johny.
>And whenever i see your post/someone qoutes you, i get a vomit reflex,
>because i know it's gonna be super stupid or super ugly (the same
>refers to
>Tanaka's posts, by the way).
>
>So i repeat my reply to one of your attacks on Zen:
>SHUT THE FUCK UP and leave this Great Human Being with the name
>"Zenaan".
>(◣◢)┌∩┐

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread rooty
Aff.



 Original Message 
On Oct 18, 2016, 10:17 PM, Александр wrote:


2016-10-19 2:41 GMT+03:00 John Newman :
Are you also a holocaust denier like your friend Zen?

Oh, johny, johny... poor johny... you fought Juan and you totally lost, so now 
you came back to bite Zen you hate Zenaan and the Truth he spreads so much 
that you must bite him again and again and again. But the problem is - YOU ARE 
A SLANDERER, johny! A fucken SLANDERER!

For the record - Zen has NEVER denied the holocaust, you cock sucker. NEVER!
He published ONE political-historical essay that discussed about A LOT of 
things and  that was published on some holocaust denier site.. and 
TA-DAM... johny new-man (dick-man) took it as the ONLY and the MAJOR hook he's 
got on Zen and now he bites him with it every Monday and Saturday.

You piece of stupid scum, johny.
And whenever i see your post/someone qoutes you, i get a vomit reflex, because 
i know it's gonna be super stupid or super ugly (the same refers to Tanaka's 
posts, by the way).

So i repeat my reply to one of your attacks on Zen:
SHUT THE FUCK UP and leave this Great Human Being with the name "Zenaan". 
(◣◢)┌∩┐

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread Александр
2016-10-19 2:41 GMT+03:00 John Newman :

> Are you also a holocaust denier like your friend Zen?


Oh, johny, johny... poor johny... you fought Juan and you totally lost, so
now you came back to bite Zen you hate Zenaan and the Truth he spreads
so much that you must bite him again and again and again. But the problem
is - YOU ARE A SLANDERER, johny! A fucken SLANDERER!

For the record - Zen has NEVER denied the holocaust, you cock sucker. NEVER!
He published ONE political-historical essay that discussed about A LOT of
things and   that was published on some holocaust denier site.. and
TA-DAM... johny new-man (dick-man) took it as the ONLY and the MAJOR hook
he's got on Zen and now he bites him with it every Monday and Saturday.

You piece of stupid scum, johny.
And whenever i see your post/someone qoutes you, i get a vomit reflex,
because i know it's gonna be super stupid or super ugly (the same refers to
Tanaka's posts, by the way).

So i repeat my reply to one of your attacks on Zen:
SHUT THE FUCK UP and leave this Great Human Being with the name "Zenaan".
(◣◢)┌∩┐


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread juan
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 23:28:06 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:

> On Oct 18, 2016 3:57 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> >
> > So, having 'faith' in technology doesn't make sense.
> 
> Faith in people, faith in science, faith in technology, my dear Juan.
> Always hoping the people can create better technologies, more precise
> methods and systems and use them for saving lives, for making the
> world more human, fairer, with less pain and crying.  A world without
> the human misery:  wars, hunger, diseases, lack of potable water,
> etc...


Handwaving bullshit. 


> 
> > Plus, it's quite obvious that technology can be used to
> > kill and
> control the biggest number of people in the most 'efficient' way.
> 
> People don't need any technology to kill each other and manipulate,
> control innocent lives using menaces, fear, cruelty...  :(


So what. You talked about science as if it were to solve moral
problams. It won't. But it can't make them worse. so now you
ignroe that? You FAIL.



> 
> > And that is exactly what's happening right now thanks to
> > your
> 'friends' at google and the rest of 'captains' of 'industry'.
> 
> So change this, make something to fight against the death of the
> privacy, instead complaining about Google using a gmail account, my
> dear.


People like you are the problem. My using a gmail account is
irrelevant. I don't go around praising google and their
piece-of-shit employees, like you do.




> 
> > > I don't care about being a low profile nerd.  It only means I
> > > recognize
> the importance of technical knowledge to help the people.
> >
> > Or to destroy them.
> 
> I can use my knifes to cook or to kill. 


Yes, so your original comment about technology is wrong. 




 My choice, my responsability,
> dear.  You can use the same instruments and ideas in different ways.
> 
> > There isn't anything 'punk' in parroting propaganda.
> 
> Why do you think my thoughts are 'propaganda' and not yours, my dear?
> 
> > So anything you say is just 'your opinion'  and
> > 'interpretation'. It is not true. End of the Game.
> 
> Why is it not true, dear?  


None of what you say is true, as per your own premise. 


> It's my opinion, but there are several
> different opinions in the world about the same facts.

Facts? What's that? Is your opinion that there are real facts
out there? Well, that's just another opinion isn't it?


> 
> Points of view are very subjective, influenced by personal
> backgrounds and beliefs.  I can't say with absolute and complete
> certain that my opinion is the only real truth.  Tolerance and
> respect, my dear.

Tolerance and respect are just 'opinions' And since you are
'tolerant' to all kind of fucked up things I don't think your
'tolerance' has much value. 


Give my regards to all your google 'friends'.















Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread juan
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 22:40:40 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:


> I will tell you a secret: - when Juan is not being annoying and
> aggressive, he is a very dear person, but extremely hard headed. 

For completeness' sake. You are even more 'hard headed' than I
am, and your positions are standard establishment positions
that you can't even start to defend. 

So what's the point of calling me hard headed? Pot calling
kettle black much?


As to being aggressive, ask your google friends and the
pentagon what that means. 




> He
> has a head so, so hard that I can break coconuts using it and he
> won't change his ideas.  :P


Why on earth would I change my ideas to Standard Garbage? You
would be burning witches in the dark ages, you are 'curing'
'autistic' children now. Why should I subscribe to your
ignorant savagery, nowadays rebranded as Holy Science?




> 
> He certainly would help me to make voluntary work with disabled
> children just to prove me how much I am very, very wrong, hihi!  In
> some moments, I want to kick his balls, but I like him!  :)



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Oct 18, 2016 8:41 PM, "John Newman"  wrote:
>
>
> Do you actually know anything about the autistic spectrum?  I ask because
my former girlfriends job was working with disabled children. She regularly
worked with girls in their teens who couldn't even speak, not a single
word. They were SEVERELY cognitively impaired. Their diagnosis was autism,
nothing more.

John,

I won't have patience now for searching the correct thread on the cpunks
list, but Juan had a long and very, very exhaustive discussion about
autistic children with Xorcist few weeks ago.

Xorcist has an autistic niece, who loves a lot and considers like a
daughter, and makes voluntary work with disabled children too.  He told
some stories about his convivence with her, his attempts of stimulate her
senses, her intelligence, and about her difficulties to understand the
world and the people.  It was beautiful because he was talking about love.
True love.

I usually try to use music as stimulus for all ages, in all situations.
Music is life, and all the words have sounds, and these sounds are music
too.

I think Xorcist would like to exchange some ideas with your girlfriend
about what he can do for his loved niece and all the other kids that he is
helping.  He has a tender heart and is a very old cpunk.

I will tell you a secret: - when Juan is not being annoying and aggressive,
he is a very dear person, but extremely hard headed.  He has a head so, so
hard that I can break coconuts using it and he won't change his ideas.  :P

He certainly would help me to make voluntary work with disabled children
just to prove me how much I am very, very wrong, hihi!  In some moments, I
want to kick his balls, but I like him!  :)


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread rooty
hi hi me me think you real



 Original Message 
On Oct 18, 2016, 5:35 PM, Mirimir wrote:

On 10/18/2016 06:22 PM, John Newman wrote:
>
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 8:18 PM, juan  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:01:22 -0400
>> John Newman  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Christ,
>>
>> lol...
>>
>>> you're a childish moron. Or, in your parlance, a retard. You
>>> literally do not know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>
>>
>> How does it feel to be a pro censorship piece of shit and now
>> psychobabbler nazi to boot? Not a nice feeling I guess eh?
>>
>> Don't worry, take a couple of pounds of ritalin and go lick
>> some boots at your beloved 'crypto' list.
>>
>
> No man, I feel just fine. I'm neither pro censor ship, nor any kind of nazi.
>
> Keep clapping yourself on the back for your own ignorance. It's an impressive 
> show :)

I guess. But damn, it gets old after a while ;)

> John
>>
>>
>>> But I guess you like it that way
>>>
>>> John
>>>


>
>

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread Mirimir
On 10/18/2016 06:22 PM, John Newman wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 8:18 PM, juan  wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:01:22 -0400
>> John Newman  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Christ,
>>
>>lol...
>>
>>> you're a childish moron. Or, in your parlance, a retard. You
>>> literally do not know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>
>>
>>How does it feel to be a pro censorship piece of shit and now 
>>psychobabbler nazi to boot? Not a nice feeling I guess eh? 
>>
>>Don't worry, take a couple of pounds of ritalin and go lick
>>some boots at your beloved 'crypto' list.
>>
> 
> No man, I feel just fine. I'm neither pro censor ship, nor any kind of nazi.
> 
> Keep clapping yourself on the back for your own ignorance. It's an impressive 
> show :)

I guess. But damn, it gets old after a while ;)

> John
>>
>>
>>> But I guess you like it that way
>>>
>>> John
>>>


> 
> 


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread juan
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:22:26 -0400
John Newman  wrote:

> 
> > On Oct 18, 2016, at 8:18 PM, juan  wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:01:22 -0400
> > John Newman  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> Christ,
> >
> >lol...
> > 
> >> you're a childish moron. Or, in your parlance, a retard. You
> >> literally do not know what the fuck you're talking about.
> > 
> > 
> >How does it feel to be a pro censorship piece of shit and now 
> >psychobabbler nazi to boot? Not a nice feeling I guess eh? 
> > 
> >Don't worry, take a couple of pounds of ritalin and go lick
> >some boots at your beloved 'crypto' list.
> > 
> 
> No man, I feel just fine. I'm neither pro censor ship, nor any kind
> of nazi.


Sure, your gallant defense of 'moderation' has nothing to do
with censorship.

Like I told your americunt comrade quinn : why don't you at
least have a shred of intellectual honesty? You want to be
a censor, fine. But at least do it openly, scumbag.


Same thing regarding your support for psychiatric 'science'.
Hey, aren't you a mentally ill drug addict? Some of posts in
the list would suggest as much



> 
> Keep clapping yourself on the back for your own ignorance. 

Well, at least I'm not a snob like you who is more ignorant
than me while believing he's a 'scientific'...what? Truther? 


> It's an
> impressive show :)

Better than yours at least.


 
> 
> John
> > 
> > 
> >> But I guess you like it that way
> >> 
> >> John
> >> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread John Newman

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 8:18 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:01:22 -0400
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
> 
>> Christ,
>
>lol...
> 
>> you're a childish moron. Or, in your parlance, a retard. You
>> literally do not know what the fuck you're talking about.
> 
> 
>How does it feel to be a pro censorship piece of shit and now 
>psychobabbler nazi to boot? Not a nice feeling I guess eh? 
> 
>Don't worry, take a couple of pounds of ritalin and go lick
>some boots at your beloved 'crypto' list.
> 

No man, I feel just fine. I'm neither pro censor ship, nor any kind of nazi.

Keep clapping yourself on the back for your own ignorance. It's an impressive 
show :)


John
> 
> 
>> But I guess you like it that way
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> 
>>> 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread juan
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 20:01:22 -0400
John Newman  wrote:


> Christ, 

lol...

> you're a childish moron. Or, in your parlance, a retard. You
> literally do not know what the fuck you're talking about.


How does it feel to be a pro censorship piece of shit and now 
psychobabbler nazi to boot? Not a nice feeling I guess eh? 

Don't worry, take a couple of pounds of ritalin and go lick
some boots at your beloved 'crypto' list.



> But I guess you like it that way.
> 
> John
> 
> > 
> > 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 07:41:31PM -0400, John Newman wrote:
> Are you also a holocaust denier like your friend Zen?

John, so factual today - what's got into you?



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread John Newman


> On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:55 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:41:31 -0400
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:48 PM, juan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:29:46 -0200
>>> Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
>>> 
> On Oct 18, 2016 6:16 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> 
>   And if you are challenged, then it's all 'subjective'?
> Please.
 
 "Challenged"?  "Me"?  For "you"?  Hahahaha!!!  ;D
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   What do you mean "for you"? Perhaps you meant "by you"?  
>>> 
>>> 
 Really was needing to laugh today, hahaha!!!  Wow, my mood is much
 better now!  Thanks, Juan!!!  :D  :D  :D
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   And what are you laughing at? Anybody with half a brain can
>>>   challenge newspaper propaganda...
>>> 
>>>   Bottom line : you 'believe' in the psychiatric mafia - That's
>>>   actually no joke...
>> 
>> 
>> Do you actually know anything about the autistic spectrum?  I ask
>> because my former girlfriends job was working with disabled children.
>> She regularly worked with girls in their teens who couldn't even
>> speak, not a single word. They were SEVERELY cognitively impaired.
>> Their diagnosis was autism, nothing more.
>> 
>> Surely children are over prescribed medication in the rather fucked
>> up world we live in, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking
>> about.
> 
> 
> 
>I'm done with you john, but thanks for completing your fucked up
>'profile'. Not only a pro censorship piece of shit, you
>are also a pro psychiatric mafia piece of shit. lol...in a sad
>way.
> 
> 
Christ, you're a childish moron. Or, in your parlance, a retard. You literally 
do not know what the fuck you're talking about.

But I guess you like it that way.

John

> 
> 
> 
> 
>> As with your claim that global warming is a hoax.
>> 
>> Do you also think evolution is a 'hoax'?
>> 
>> Are you also a holocaust denier like your friend Zen?
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
> 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread juan
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:41:31 -0400
John Newman  wrote:

> 
> > On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:48 PM, juan  wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:29:46 -0200
> > Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
> > 
> >>> On Oct 18, 2016 6:16 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>And if you are challenged, then it's all 'subjective'?
> >>> Please.
> >> 
> >> "Challenged"?  "Me"?  For "you"?  Hahahaha!!!  ;D
> > 
> > 
> >What do you mean "for you"? Perhaps you meant "by you"?  
> > 
> > 
> >> Really was needing to laugh today, hahaha!!!  Wow, my mood is much
> >> better now!  Thanks, Juan!!!  :D  :D  :D
> > 
> > 
> >And what are you laughing at? Anybody with half a brain can
> >challenge newspaper propaganda...
> >
> >Bottom line : you 'believe' in the psychiatric mafia - That's
> >actually no joke...
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> Do you actually know anything about the autistic spectrum?  I ask
> because my former girlfriends job was working with disabled children.
> She regularly worked with girls in their teens who couldn't even
> speak, not a single word. They were SEVERELY cognitively impaired.
> Their diagnosis was autism, nothing more.
> 
> Surely children are over prescribed medication in the rather fucked
> up world we live in, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking
> about.



I'm done with you john, but thanks for completing your fucked up
'profile'. Not only a pro censorship piece of shit, you
are also a pro psychiatric mafia piece of shit. lol...in a sad
way.






> As with your claim that global warming is a hoax.
> 
> Do you also think evolution is a 'hoax'?
> 
> Are you also a holocaust denier like your friend Zen?
>  
> 
> John
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread John Newman

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:48 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:29:46 -0200
> Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:
> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2016 6:16 PM, "juan"  wrote:
>>> 
>>>And if you are challenged, then it's all 'subjective'?
>>> Please.
>> 
>> "Challenged"?  "Me"?  For "you"?  Hahahaha!!!  ;D
> 
> 
>What do you mean "for you"? Perhaps you meant "by you"?  
> 
> 
>> Really was needing to laugh today, hahaha!!!  Wow, my mood is much
>> better now!  Thanks, Juan!!!  :D  :D  :D
> 
> 
>And what are you laughing at? Anybody with half a brain can
>challenge newspaper propaganda...
>
>Bottom line : you 'believe' in the psychiatric mafia - That's
>actually no joke...
> 
>


Do you actually know anything about the autistic spectrum?  I ask because my 
former girlfriends job was working with disabled children. She regularly worked 
with girls in their teens who couldn't even speak, not a single word. They were 
SEVERELY cognitively impaired. Their diagnosis was autism, nothing more.

Surely children are over prescribed medication in the rather fucked up world we 
live in, but you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. As with your 
claim that global warming is a hoax.

Do you also think evolution is a 'hoax'?

Are you also a holocaust denier like your friend Zen?
 

John

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Oct 18, 2016 6:40 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> >
> > "Challenged"?  "Me"?  For "you"?  Hahahaha!!!  ;D
>
> What do you mean "for you"? Perhaps you meant "by you"?

Oh, sorry!  Wrong preposition!  "By you".  Thanks, Juan!  :)

> > Really was needing to laugh today, hahaha!!!  Wow, my mood is much
better now!  Thanks, Juan!!!  :D  :D  :D
>
> And what are you laughing at? Anybody with half a brain can
challenge newspaper propaganda...
> Bottom line : you 'believe' in the psychiatric mafia - That's
actually no joke...

The "joke" is the  - h! -  "challenge", my dear.  :)

Sorry, I simply don't care.  I already said _twice_ I have no time, no
patience and no health to discuss anything with you now, Juan.  Sorry, I am
not well, baby.  Already said it.

It isn't cowardy, my love, it's pneumonia.  What will save my lungs, my
life, is the Science, the Medicine, not political discussions.  :)

You are very, very, very hard headed.  That's the reason why I am laughing,
sorry!  :)


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread juan
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 19:29:46 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:

> On Oct 18, 2016 6:16 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> >
> > And if you are challenged, then it's all 'subjective'?
> > Please.
> 
> "Challenged"?  "Me"?  For "you"?  Hahahaha!!!  ;D


What do you mean "for you"? Perhaps you meant "by you"?  

 
> Really was needing to laugh today, hahaha!!!  Wow, my mood is much
> better now!  Thanks, Juan!!!  :D  :D  :D


And what are you laughing at? Anybody with half a brain can
challenge newspaper propaganda...

Bottom line : you 'believe' in the psychiatric mafia - That's
actually no joke...














Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Oct 18, 2016 6:16 PM, "juan"  wrote:
>
> And if you are challenged, then it's all 'subjective'? Please.

"Challenged"?  "Me"?  For "you"?  Hahahaha!!!  ;D

Really was needing to laugh today, hahaha!!!  Wow, my mood is much better
now!  Thanks, Juan!!!  :D  :D  :D


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread juan
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 18:48:10 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:

> Well, my dear Juan, one man's constant is another man's variable...
> No offenses, it's purely subjective.

So why do you bother addressing your criminal propaganda
to me? You believe in the 'science' that the psychiatric mafia
promotes? You are complicit.

And if you are challenged, then it's all 'subjective'? Please. 


 
> As I said before, in this exact moment, I have no time, no patience
> and no health to discuss anything with you.


You are not really discussing anything. You just repeat
newspaper propaganda. Don't ever expect me to take you
seriously =)



> 
> Take care, kisses!  :*
> 
> -  c.



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
Well, my dear Juan, one man's constant is another man's variable...  No
offenses, it's purely subjective.

As I said before, in this exact moment, I have no time, no patience and no
health to discuss anything with you.

Take care, kisses!  :*

-  c.


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread juan
On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 05:57:43 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:

> On Oct 16, 2016 4:05 PM, "juan"  wrote:
> >
> > I say you are an ignorant nerd who thinks that any sort of
> > pseudo
> technical bullshit is Holy Science. You are just a recycled christian.
> 
> People > Technology, always.  But Science always was my real
> religion, my dear Juan.  I have real faith that technology can make
> the world better, minimizing the human misery.


Yes, moral issues take precendence over mere technical facts.
So, having 'faith' in technology doesn't make sense. 

Plus, it's quite obvious that technology can be used to kill
and control the biggest number of people in the most
'efficient' way.

And that is exactly what's happening right now thanks to your
'friends' at google and the rest of 'captains' of 'industry'.


> 
> I don't care about being a low profile nerd.  It only means I
> recognize the importance of technical knowledge to help the people.

Or to destroy them.


> 
> If you want to see the climate changes in person, spend some time in
> my country.  

You don't get it.


> It's very shocking see in person how the weather is
> becoming extremely crazy in the last years.
> 
> If you want to know austistic persons or Asperger Syndrome bearers 


I already explained the issue. Check the archives.

> in
> person and interact with them, please, visit my city.  It will be a
> pleasure to show you that it is _not_ simply shyness, but something
> much more complex.
> 
> I won't have patience, time and health enough for a flame war with
> you now, 



Fine. There's no point in you parroting for the Nth time the
same commonplace nonsense.  I get all the establishmente views.
There isn't anything 'punk' in parroting propaganda.



> but I would like to remember you that there are zillions of
> interpretations of the same facts, my dear.


So anything you say is just 'your opinion'  and 
'interpretation'. It is not true. End of the Game.




> 
> Personally, I try to respect _all_ the sincere Human Searches for
> Answers, using Science, Religions or whatever.  People are nothing
> without curiosity.
> 
> Take care and have lovely days and nights, my dear Juan.  Sincere
> kisses and hugs!  <3
> 
> And, please, no flame wars for now.  We all need a bit of peace and
> gentleness, time for having good ideas to protect everybody's rights
> to privacy and freedom of speech and expression...  and destroy or
> really change governments, of course!  <3
> 
> Ceci



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-18 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Oct 16, 2016 4:05 PM, "juan"  wrote:
>
> I say you are an ignorant nerd who thinks that any sort of pseudo
technical bullshit is Holy Science. You are just a recycled christian.

People > Technology, always.  But Science always was my real religion, my
dear Juan.  I have real faith that technology can make the world better,
minimizing the human misery.

I don't care about being a low profile nerd.  It only means I recognize the
importance of technical knowledge to help the people.

If you want to see the climate changes in person, spend some time in my
country.  It's very shocking see in person how the weather is becoming
extremely crazy in the last years.

If you want to know austistic persons or Asperger Syndrome bearers in
person and interact with them, please, visit my city.  It will be a
pleasure to show you that it is _not_ simply shyness, but something much
more complex.

I won't have patience, time and health enough for a flame war with you now,
but I would like to remember you that there are zillions of interpretations
of the same facts, my dear.

Personally, I try to respect _all_ the sincere Human Searches for Answers,
using Science, Religions or whatever.  People are nothing without curiosity.

Take care and have lovely days and nights, my dear Juan.  Sincere kisses
and hugs!  <3

And, please, no flame wars for now.  We all need a bit of peace and
gentleness, time for having good ideas to protect everybody's rights to
privacy and freedom of speech and expression...  and destroy or really
change governments, of course!  <3

Ceci


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-17 Thread juan
On Mon, 17 Oct 2016 08:18:26 -0400
John Newman  wrote:

> 
> > On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:13 PM, juan  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I've never seen you make any interesting technical points,
> > 
> > So now you changed from "technical points" to "interesting
> > technical points" 
> > 
> > You don't need to further embarras yourself, but you are
> > likely to….
> 
> Playing simple word games, Juan?  That seems about your speed.
> My point remains the same, and un-refuted. 


You don't have a point. By the way, as far as I can tell your
second post to this list is aboutthe global warming scam. Go
figure. At least counting posts coming from synfin.org.

Now, feel free to link all your 'technical', 'relevant' and
'useful' posts to the list. Especially 'technical'. Not that you
are under any obligation to post pseudo technical garbage, but
since apparently you love it so much, one would expect you to
post a lot of it? Seems not. Tsk tsk.

Then again, I'm glad you don't practice what you preach =)


> 
> > 
> >> 
> >> or anything else. When it comes to tor you're like a fucking broken
> >> IRC bot, spouting the SAME SHIT WE ALL KNOW, 
> > 
> > Oh really.
> 
> Yep.

"We" all know. So who is "we"? Whose spokesperson are you? Or
whose talking head?

Ah yes, since you can't speak for yourself you now invoke some
kind of imaginary gang. Or perhaps you are referring to the
'community' of corrupt 'hackers' and the like, on the
pentagon's payroll? Of course "you all" know that...



> 
> > 
> > 
> > Nobody seems to know what I'm saying. If they did, they
> > would act otherwise. Oh wait, they are complicit? 
> > 
> 
> Everyone knows. 


You can't answer the question...Or don't want to =)


> Everyone with half a fucking brain. If they don’t,
> it’s only because you’ve obscured the real issues with tor 


Oh, now it's my fault. My powers are amazing eh. Just because
of some messages I post in a couple of small lists, I've
turned the whole world into complicit assholes. I must be jesus
or something - that's why I have superpowers!

And what are the 'real' issues according to you anyway? Not that
tor is a scam funded by the pentagon eh? That's not a real
issue I guess...? Or is that the issue I've 'obscured'? Or what.

Yeah, not expecting you to say anything reasonable at this
point...



> with your
> over the top TORBOT TORBOT TORBOT responses any time the
> word is mentioned.


You are starting to sound like a torbot john. You were a tor
accomplice too, no?



> 
> > 
> >> I've seen your posts, they are not technical in nature. 
> > 
> > Hey stupid piece of shit, this list is about crpyo ANARCHY.
> > 
> 
> Right, but I’m talking about your hatred for the CRYPTO list, you ass.


And I'm talking about a bunch of censors and establishment
clowns pretending to be against it. I can also talk about your
love for a bunch of censors. So?




> 
> > 
> >> You
> >> don't have to be such a defensive ass about it, but hey, you think
> >> climate change is a hoax too, so I'd say you are basically a
> >> fucking lost cause at this point.
> > 
> > 
> > I say you are an ignorant nerd who thinks that any sort of
> > pseudo technical bullshit is Holy Science. You are just a
> > recycled christian. 
> > 
> 
> You like to use the word nerd to describe anyone interested in
> technical matters?  


No, I'm using it that way with you. Looks like you can't even
read? I bothered to qualify "nerd" for your especial kind =)





> > 
> > Pro censorship peie of shit, parroting pro-censorship
> > propaganda in 'cryto' 'anarchsit' circles. 
> > 
> > You are a…hoax.
> 
> 
> I never said anything pro-censorship. 


Except for supporting the censoring 'policies' of the
'cryptography' mailing cesspool. Come on. You can't be that
stupid...or dishonest. 


> 
> I said YOU DONT GET TO DECIDE HOW OTHER PEOPLE CONFIGURE
> THEIR SOFTWARE.  It’s not UP TO YOU, jackass.  I’ve never endorsed 
> moderation for this list.

Not for this list. Did I say you endorse it for this list? No I
didn't, lying retard. On the other hand, have you talked
against people like quinn? Well you didn't do that either...

At any rate, you endorse it for the 'cryptography' mailing list.
So how retarded can you be to say something in one message and
try to deny it in the next one? 

"OTHER PEOPLE CONFIGURE THEIR SOFTWARE"

Isn't software 'free'? Oh, 'free' software gives 'admins' the
divine right to censorship. You make so much sense...



> 
> And parroting the lines others have just thrown at you gets you no
> points (“You are a… hoax”)


You are a 

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-17 Thread John Newman

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 3:13 PM, juan  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never seen you make any interesting technical points,
> 
>   So now you changed from "technical points" to "interesting
>   technical points" 
> 
>   You don't need to further embarras yourself, but you are likely
>   to….

Playing simple word games, Juan?  That seems about your speed.
My point remains the same, and un-refuted. 

> 
>> 
>> or anything else. When it comes to tor you're like a fucking broken
>> IRC bot, spouting the SAME SHIT WE ALL KNOW, 
> 
>   Oh really.

Yep.

> 
> 
>   Nobody seems to know what I'm saying. If they did, they would
>   act otherwise. Oh wait, they are complicit? 
> 

Everyone knows. Everyone with half a fucking brain. If they don’t,
it’s only because you’ve obscured the real issues with tor with your
over the top TORBOT TORBOT TORBOT responses any time the
word is mentioned.

> 
>> I've seen your posts, they are not technical in nature. 
> 
>   Hey stupid piece of shit, this list is about crpyo ANARCHY.
> 

Right, but I’m talking about your hatred for the CRYPTO list, you ass.

> 
>> You
>> don't have to be such a defensive ass about it, but hey, you think
>> climate change is a hoax too, so I'd say you are basically a fucking
>> lost cause at this point.
> 
> 
>   I say you are an ignorant nerd who thinks that any sort of
>   pseudo technical bullshit is Holy Science. You are just a
>   recycled christian. 
> 

You like to use the word nerd to describe anyone interested in technical
matters?  I’ll give you a clue: it was a bunch of ‘nerds’ who wrote the OS
and designed the silicon for that computer you are punching your inane
fucking nonsense into.  The internet wouldn’t exist without these ‘nerds’.
I could go on and on, but surely even you get the point...

>> 
>> With people like yourself, it isn't hard to imagine why the list is
>> moderated. 
> 
> 
>   You are piece of shit John =) - What does a pro-censorship
>   piece of shit like you do in an allegedly crypto ANARCHSIT
>   mailing list John.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> There are different lists for different purposes. You
>> don't get to dictate how the individual admins configure their
>> software. 
> 
>   Pro censorship peie of shit, parroting pro-censorship
>   propaganda in 'cryto' 'anarchsit' circles. 
> 
>   You are a…hoax.


I never said anything pro-censorship. 

I said YOU DONT GET TO DECIDE HOW OTHER PEOPLE CONFIGURE
THEIR SOFTWARE.  It’s not UP TO YOU, jackass.  I’ve never endorsed 
moderation for this list.  

And parroting the lines others have just thrown at you gets you no points 
(“You are a… hoax”)


> 
>>> 
>>> 
 but apparently its not a two way
 street. You don’t actively support the fucking torrent of Russian
 bullshit, but you mostly don’t say shit about it either.
>>> 
>>>   I already said what I think about russia. I'll add that
>>>   regarding the current warmongering provocations against russia,
>>>   made by american psychos, I'd 'side' with russia...and
>>>   trump.  Assuming putin and trump actually are slightly less
>>>   warmongering than the sick cunt hitlery and the 'progressive'
>>>   fascists from the 'democratic' party. 
>>> 
>> 
>> You're a gullible clown if you actually believe that.
> 
> 
>   If I believe that MAYBE there's a slightly less warlike faction
>   that it's not going to win? 
> 
>   Sonny, you can't teachn any 'technical' tricks, let alone
>   political ones. 
> 
> 
>> 
>>>   Or perhaps it's a show fully agreed upon by both sides. 
>>> 
>> 
>> Warmer, I suspect
> 
> 
>   Oh thank you very much for Teaching Me About Stuff.
> 

Anytime.


> 
> 
>> 
>>>   At any rate, your reaction to russian propaganda doesn't speak
>>>   too well of you, just like it doesn't speak too well of Google
>>>   Inc. representatives. 
>>> 
>> 
>> And your reaction speaks volumes about you. First you replied by
>> immediately throwing your comrades under the bus,
> 
>   Except they are not my comrades.
> 

The list archives would seem to say otherwise.

> 
>> now you seem to
>> want back in the circle jerk?
> 
>   What about you don't having a clue, and either not
>   understanding my position or just lying about it.
> 
>   Bottom line you are way more pro amerikka thatn I'm pro russia.
>   Hardly surprising sice you are an americunt.
> 

You argue like a child. I’m “more pro-america” than you are “pro-russia”…
which is utter fucking bullshit, and I think you know it.  Show one time I’ve
ever endorsed america.  Actually, don’t bother - you couldn’t do it anyway,
but I have no interest in reading any more of you bullshit.

> 
> 
>> 
>> This entire thread is such a fucking waste of time.
> 
> 
>   So go fuck yourself. I'm sure you can write a three line bash
>   script to hack the NSA. Go for it.
> 
> 

Same to you Juan :)  

Is there ANYONE on this list that you haven’t gotten into a massive flame 

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-16 Thread juan
On Sun, 16 Oct 2016 06:29:42 -0400
John Newman  wrote:

> 
> > On Oct 15, 2016, at 3:52 PM, juan  wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:13:50 -0400
> > John Newman  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> Its technical discussion that doesn’t interest you, so you call it
> >> "useless talk".
> > 
> >It is useless talk because it doesn't lead to any improvement,
> >security-wise, let alone increased freedom.
> > 
> 
> You really think there has been nothing learned or advanced on the
> crypto list? 


Perhaps you should start by reading the newspapers. Even
offcial propaganda is closer to the truth than what you seem to
be suggesting.




 You must follow it REAL fucking close for something you
> despise so much.
> 
> > 
> >> I think we are agreed on this - you are bored by
> >> purely technical discussions.  
> >
> >I don't think I ever said that or agreed to it. I'm not
> >interested in *irrelevant* technical discussions. But,
> >for instance, I've discussed a few times why a cyberweaponlike
> >tor (widely supported in fake, american, privacy circles ) is
> >TECHNICALLY flawed - at least if we were to believe the lies
> >about its intended purpose. It's not flawed from the point of
> >view of its creators.
> > 
> 
> I've never seen you make any interesting technical points,

So now you changed from "technical points" to "interesting
technical points" 

You don't need to further embarras yourself, but you are likely
to




> about tor
> or anything else. When it comes to tor you're like a fucking broken
> IRC bot, spouting the SAME SHIT WE ALL KNOW, 

Oh really.


> over and over and over.
> Everyone knows where it is funded, how it was started, and that it is
> insecure against a GPA.
> 
> Tell me something I don't know, that you haven't repeated ad
> infinitum, like a fucking over excited child.


Nobody seems to know what I'm saying. If they did, they would
act otherwise. Oh wait, they are complicit? 



> 
> > 
> >> This doesn’t make the crypto list
> >> inherently flawed. It’s just not for YOU, which is appropriate,
> >> since you likely can’t follow the discussions anyway.
> > 
> > 
> >Yes you're right. I can't 'follow' that kind
> >of thing just like I can't watch hollywood movies. Or like I
> >can't stand establishment retards. 
> > 
> 
> No, I think it's because you have nothing interesting to say on the
> list.


Youjr opinion. I think you don't have anything iteresting to
say either, apart from your stupid world-reheating hoax. Which
is off-topic and statist propaganda. 




> I've seen your posts, they are not technical in nature. 

Hey stupid piece of shit, this list is about crpyo ANARCHY.


> You
> don't have to be such a defensive ass about it, but hey, you think
> climate change is a hoax too, so I'd say you are basically a fucking
> lost cause at this point.


I say you are an ignorant nerd who thinks that any sort of
pseudo technical bullshit is Holy Science. You are just a
recycled christian. 


> 
> >Were you able to 'follow' my 'technical' remark about hardware?
> >I mentioned that all your 'free' 'open' software runs on
> >hardware owned by the US silicon-valley-military. Are the
> >'technical' implications of that fact too hard for you to
> >'follow'?
> >What are the PDF masters at the crypto mailing list planing to
> >do about that little problem? Or perhaps it's not even a bug
> >but a feature? Because, you know, there are lots of
> >america-hating terrists out there. Ask bruce schneier.
> > 
> >Oh, and there's another technical issue you perhaps have some
> >trouble 'following'. It is the technical issue of CENSORSHIP in
> >the FUCKING CRYPTOGRAPHY MLIST. I'm using ALL CAPS because you
> >seem to have missed that TECHNICAL matter a couple of times. I'm
> >guessing the font was TOO SMALL.
> > 
> 
> With people like yourself, it isn't hard to imagine why the list is
> moderated. 


You are piece of shit John =) - What does a pro-censorship
piece of shit like you do in an allegedly crypto ANARCHSIT
mailing list John.




> There are different lists for different purposes. You
> don't get to dictate how the individual admins configure their
> software. 

Pro censorship peie of shit, parroting pro-censorship
propaganda in 'cryto' 'anarchsit' circles. 

You are a...hoax.




> > 
> > 
> >> but apparently its not a two way
> >> street. You don’t actively support the fucking torrent of Russian
> >> bullshit, but you mostly don’t say shit about it either.
> > 
> >I already said what I think about russia. I'll add that
> >regarding the current warmongering provocations against russia,
> >made by american psychos, I'd 'side' with russia...and
> 

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-16 Thread John Newman

> On Oct 15, 2016, at 3:52 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:13:50 -0400
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Its technical discussion that doesn’t interest you, so you call it
>> "useless talk".
> 
>It is useless talk because it doesn't lead to any improvement,
>security-wise, let alone increased freedom.
> 

You really think there has been nothing learned or advanced on the crypto list? 
 You must follow it REAL fucking close for something you despise so much.

> 
>> I think we are agreed on this - you are bored by
>> purely technical discussions.  
>
>I don't think I ever said that or agreed to it. I'm not
>interested in *irrelevant* technical discussions. But,
>for instance, I've discussed a few times why a cyberweaponlike
>tor (widely supported in fake, american, privacy circles ) is
>TECHNICALLY flawed - at least if we were to believe the lies
>about its intended purpose. It's not flawed from the point of
>view of its creators.
> 

I've never seen you make any interesting technical points, about tor or 
anything else. When it comes to tor you're like a fucking broken IRC bot, 
spouting the SAME SHIT WE ALL KNOW, over and over and over. Everyone knows 
where it is funded, how it was started, and that it is insecure against a GPA.

Tell me something I don't know, that you haven't repeated ad infinitum, like a 
fucking over excited child.

> 
>> This doesn’t make the crypto list
>> inherently flawed. It’s just not for YOU, which is appropriate, since
>> you likely can’t follow the discussions anyway.
> 
> 
>Yes you're right. I can't 'follow' that kind
>of thing just like I can't watch hollywood movies. Or like I
>can't stand establishment retards. 
> 

No, I think it's because you have nothing interesting to say on the list. I've 
seen your posts, they are not technical in nature. You don't have to be such a 
defensive ass about it, but hey, you think climate change is a hoax too, so I'd 
say you are basically a fucking lost cause at this point.

>Were you able to 'follow' my 'technical' remark about hardware?
>I mentioned that all your 'free' 'open' software runs on
>hardware owned by the US silicon-valley-military. Are the
>'technical' implications of that fact too hard for you to
>'follow'?
>What are the PDF masters at the crypto mailing list planing to
>do about that little problem? Or perhaps it's not even a bug
>but a feature? Because, you know, there are lots of
>america-hating terrists out there. Ask bruce schneier.
> 
>Oh, and there's another technical issue you perhaps have some
>trouble 'following'. It is the technical issue of CENSORSHIP in
>the FUCKING CRYPTOGRAPHY MLIST. I'm using ALL CAPS because you
>seem to have missed that TECHNICAL matter a couple of times. I'm
>guessing the font was TOO SMALL.
> 

With people like yourself, it isn't hard to imagine why the list is moderated. 
There are different lists for different purposes. You don't get to dictate how 
the individual admins configure their software. That would hardly be in line 
with your ideals, would it? All mailman configuration pushed down on high from 
the central committee ?  Give me a fucking break man.

> 
>
>> My apologies on this one. I have seen Zen and Alex give you props
>> only about a fucking million times,
> 
>Because I tell apologists of the american establishment/empire
>to go fuck themselves, perhaps? 
> 
> 
>> but apparently its not a two way
>> street. You don’t actively support the fucking torrent of Russian
>> bullshit, but you mostly don’t say shit about it either.
> 
>I already said what I think about russia. I'll add that
>regarding the current warmongering provocations against russia,
>made by american psychos, I'd 'side' with russia...and
>trump.  Assuming putin and trump actually are slightly less
>warmongering than the sick cunt hitlery and the 'progressive'
>fascists from the 'democratic' party. 
> 

You're a gullible clown if you actually believe that.

>Or perhaps it's a show fully agreed upon by both sides. 
> 

Warmer, I suspect

>At any rate, your reaction to russian propaganda doesn't speak
>too well of you, just like it doesn't speak too well of Google
>Inc. representatives. 
> 

And your reaction speaks volumes about you. First you replied by immediately 
throwing your comrades under the bus, now you seem to want back in the circle 
jerk?

This entire thread is such a fucking waste of time. As have been most 
"discussions" between you and someone else that I've bothered to follow. 


John
> 
> 
>> So consider
>> yourself out of the circle jerk if that makes you feel better. 
>> 
>> And, no, don’t bother to quote yourself…. your inane, vicious, vulgar 
>> bullshit is generally not worth repeating.
> 
>True, true. And give my regards to all those well-bred,
>virtuous heroes at 

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-15 Thread xorcist
>   I don't think I ever said that or agreed to it. I'm not
>   interested in *irrelevant* technical discussions. But,
>   for instance, I've discussed a few times why a cyberweaponlike
>   tor (widely supported in fake, american, privacy circles ) is
>   TECHNICALLY flawed - at least if we were to believe the lies
>   about its intended purpose. It's not flawed from the point of
>   view of its creators.


There are certainly known attacks on the Tor model, and I understand its
technical failures in this regard. Conspiracy theories (with no disdain
there -- one should question the veracity of government funded projects)
about its intended purposes aside, unless a better model can be put
forward that provides Tor's features, while decreasing risk, I just don't
see how such criticisms are relevant on technical grounds.

You liken it to a weapon, and fair enough. In the 1700's muskets were
state of the art. Criticisms of their technical failures with regard to
poor accuracy, slow time to reload, difficulties in wet conditions, and so
on have no real merit unless/until an alternative design is presented
which solves it.

For me, Tor's main utility isn't in the way of anonymity so much as a
robust way to reach out past firewalls, and to obviate the need for any
dynamic DNS considerations, and so forth. On each network that I have to
deal with, I keep one box/VM running SSH as a tor hidden service. If I, or
someone else, fucks up a firewall configuration, we have a chance to use
the Tor entry point to jump in and fix. We could use a VPN server for
this, with an associated single-point of failure, and cost. With Tor, we
get redundancy and no cost. But anonymity isn't even a stated need with
this use-case.

That said, you're right: Tor is very suspect in terms of providing true
anonymity and protection from government surveillance. But if that is who
you're worried about, there is never, and really can never, be a wholly
technical/cryptographic solution to that problem. Even if you have
technology that the government can't spy on, they are bound to get extra
interested in you BECAUSE they can't spy on you.

The solution to that problem starts, "at home", as they say. Opsec from
the start. One keeps a bootable USB drive hidden in a bus-station locker
or some such. When anonymous comms are desired, you leave your cell phone
at home, retrieve the disk, boot up at a random public wifi spot, do what
you need to do, and drop the disk back off. Avoid patterns in public hot
spots that you use, and so on. Keep a strictly red/black design where no
information leakage between "you" and your "alter-ego" ever cross up.
Probably you'd even want to wear a disguise of some sort when doing work
as your alter-ego. Separation of "privilege" all the way down.

Any purely technical scheme seems doomed to failure in some way or another.



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-15 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 23:13:50 -0400
John Newman  wrote:


> 
> Its technical discussion that doesn’t interest you, so you call it
> "useless talk".

It is useless talk because it doesn't lead to any improvement,
security-wise, let alone increased freedom.


> I think we are agreed on this - you are bored by
> purely technical discussions.  

I don't think I ever said that or agreed to it. I'm not
interested in *irrelevant* technical discussions. But,
for instance, I've discussed a few times why a cyberweaponlike
tor (widely supported in fake, american, privacy circles ) is
TECHNICALLY flawed - at least if we were to believe the lies
about its intended purpose. It's not flawed from the point of
view of its creators.


> This doesn’t make the crypto list
> inherently flawed. It’s just not for YOU, which is appropriate, since
> you likely can’t follow the discussions anyway.


Yes you're right. I can't 'follow' that kind
of thing just like I can't watch hollywood movies. Or like I
can't stand establishment retards. 

Were you able to 'follow' my 'technical' remark about hardware?
I mentioned that all your 'free' 'open' software runs on
hardware owned by the US silicon-valley-military. Are the
'technical' implications of that fact too hard for you to
'follow'? 

What are the PDF masters at the crypto mailing list planing to
do about that little problem? Or perhaps it's not even a bug
but a feature? Because, you know, there are lots of
america-hating terrists out there. Ask bruce schneier.

Oh, and there's another technical issue you perhaps have some
trouble 'following'. It is the technical issue of CENSORSHIP in
the FUCKING CRYPTOGRAPHY MLIST. I'm using ALL CAPS because you
seem to have missed that TECHNICAL matter a couple of times. I'm
guessing the font was TOO SMALL.




> My apologies on this one. I have seen Zen and Alex give you props
> only about a fucking million times, 

Because I tell apologists of the american establishment/empire
to go fuck themselves, perhaps? 


> but apparently its not a two way
> street. You don’t actively support the fucking torrent of Russian
> bullshit, but you mostly don’t say shit about it either.

I already said what I think about russia. I'll add that
regarding the current warmongering provocations against russia,
made by american psychos, I'd 'side' with russia...and
trump.  Assuming putin and trump actually are slightly less
warmongering than the sick cunt hitlery and the 'progressive'
fascists from the 'democratic' party. 

Or perhaps it's a show fully agreed upon by both sides. 

At any rate, your reaction to russian propaganda doesn't speak
too well of you, just like it doesn't speak too well of Google
Inc. representatives. 



> So consider
> yourself out of the circle jerk if that makes you feel better. 
> 
> And, no, don’t bother to quote yourself…. your inane, vicious, vulgar 
> bullshit is generally not worth repeating.

True, true. And give my regards to all those well-bred,
virtuous heroes at the cryptography mailing list. They are
really saving the world from evil anti-american forces. Russian
mostly.


> 
> 
> 
> John
> 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread John Newman

> On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:57 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 21:31:04 -0400
> John Newman  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 9:13 PM, juan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> global warming is a hoax. Then again, try telling a
>>> jew-kristian that kristianity is a hoax…
>>> 
>> 
>> Man, I’m not going to debate climate change with you, its a fucking 
>> stupid waste of time. If you honestly don’t believe in science that’s 
>> a problem you need to solve on your own. You’ll get there, give it
>> some time.
> 
> 
>   The thing is, I, unlike you, do know what science means. And
>   yes, I wouldn't bother discussing your enviro propaganda with
>   you either. 
> 
>   

And I’m the intellectually dishonest one?  Fucking hilarious.


>> 
>> In other words - you don’t know the first thing about the technical
>> aspects of it, so its of no interest to you. 
> 
> 
>   I have a general idea of the technical aspects, that's exaclty
>   why I know they are irrelevant bullshit. Oh yes, useless talk
>   about how your semi-flawed crypto an OSes run on fully
>   compromised, americunt hardware. Impressive. 
> 
>   But of course, you did get my point already, you just ignore it
>   because you cannot counter it. 

Its technical discussion that doesn’t interest you, so you call it "useless
talk". I think we are agreed on this - you are bored by purely technical 
discussions.  This doesn’t make the crypto list inherently flawed. It’s
just not for YOU, which is appropriate, since you likely can’t follow 
the discussions anyway.


>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, since any 'american' forum, including this one, is
>>> usually 100% 'american' propaganda, russian propaganda at least
>>> brings some variety to the table.
>>> 
>> 
>> It’s hardly a variety. The shit makes up 90% of the posts. It’s a big
>> fucking circle jerk between Zen, Alex and, to a lesser degree,
>> yourself.
> 
>   Well, at this point I wouldn't expect anythin sensible from
>   you.
> 
>   So feel free to link A SINGLE instance of my pro-russian
>   propganda, fucktard. Or even circle-jerking. I've made more
>   than one nasty remark on stuff Zen posts.
> 
>   Also, I made my position on russia clear when I said that
>   I consider russia to be fully 'western' and as such...just
>   another cesspool. I can quote myself if you want me to…
> 

My apologies on this one. I have seen Zen and Alex give you props
only about a fucking million times, but apparently its not a two way
street. You don’t actively support the fucking torrent of Russian bullshit,
but you mostly don’t say shit about it either. So consider yourself out of 
the circle jerk if that makes you feel better. 

And, no, don’t bother to quote yourself…. your inane, vicious, vulgar 
bullshit is generally not worth repeating.



John



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:46:51 -0400
John Newman  wrote:


> What’s your problem with the crypto list? 
> Too much technical talk?
> Not enough Russian propaganda? 

To be more precise. Expect to find absolutely no russian
propaganda, because that list is fully 'moderated'. That is,
censored. And expect it to contain loads of american
propaganda, which the 'moderators', aka censors, simply consider
to be 'ontopic' 'morally perfect' 'legitimate' 'content'.

And now ask yourself what kind of 'crypto' 'anarchist' 
would not be bothered by such travesty...?

Ah yes, the cryptography list is great, you and gilmore say so,
and the real heresy is not censorship but mocking your
global-hoax. 











> 
> 
> 
> John


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:46:51 -0400
John Newman  wrote:

> 
> > On Oct 14, 2016, at 7:23 PM, juan  wrote:
> > 
> > global warming is a hoax - and as I mentioned before you
> > are not even using the correct scam terminology : global warming 
> > 
> 
> 
> Global warming is not a hoax.


global warming is a hoax. Then again, try telling a
jew-kristian that kristianity is a hoax...



> 
> 
> 
> >> This list is less than useless.
> > 
> > translation : useless for establishment propaganda. Though
> > there's a good deal of establishment propaganda in it, so
> > who knows. 
> > 
> 
> 
> Translation:  completely fucking barren of any worthwhile discussion,
> this one included.


So, why do you bother with it, and with your world-reheating
'science'? 


> 
> 
> 
> > Anyway,  I'm sure you would be warmly welcomed in some Elite
> > Enlightened Institution like the 'cryptography' mailing
> > list. 
> > 
> 
> 
> What’s your problem with the crypto list? 

I made it quite clear why that list is a cesspool =) - Check
today's archives.


> Too much technical talk?

third-rate, nerdy, pseudo-technical talk. Pretty much useless.
Or more correctly, pretty useful as far as not dealing with
fundamental issues goes. A collection of useful 'idiots'. Not
idiots of course but fully corrupt clowns.



> Not enough Russian propaganda? 


Well, since any 'american' forum, including this one, is usually
100% 'american' propaganda, russian propaganda at least brings
some variety to the table.

But I can understand how russian propaganda would upset a few
people in this list...




> 
> 
> 
> John


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread John Newman

> On Oct 14, 2016, at 7:23 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
>   global warming is a hoax - and as I mentioned before you are not
>   even using the correct scam terminology : global warming 
> 


Global warming is not a hoax.



>> This list is less than useless.
> 
>   translation : useless for establishment propaganda. Though
>   there's a good deal of establishment propaganda in it, so who
>   knows. 
> 


Translation:  completely fucking barren of any worthwhile discussion, this 
   one included.



>   Anyway,  I'm sure you would be warmly welcomed in some Elite
>   Enlightened Institution like the 'cryptography' mailing list. 
> 


What’s your problem with the crypto list?  Too much technical talk?  Not
enough Russian propaganda? 



John

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread Mirimir
On 10/14/2016 06:39 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:50 -0600
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/2016 06:10 PM, juan wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:42:00 -0600
>>> Mirimir  wrote:
>>>
 On 10/14/2016 05:28 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:04:15 -0600
> Mirimir  wrote:
>
>
>>
>> As I said, you're a fucking hoax ;)
>
>
>   go kill some of your 'customers' with badly cut heroin,
> asshole.

 Yes, a fucking hoax who twists shit to support his fraudulent
 claims.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, and by the way, I, unlike you, post using my real name.
>>> You on the other hand are pretty much an anonymous coward. Since
>>> your own character here is fake, you are by definition a
>>> hoax.
>>>
>>> Fucking idiot. 
>>
>> Ah, but you see, it's your life that's the hoax :)
> 
> 
> 
>   if an anonymous hoax and coward on the internet says so...

Yep, he does.


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:50 -0600
Mirimir  wrote:

> On 10/14/2016 06:10 PM, juan wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:42:00 -0600
> > Mirimir  wrote:
> > 
> >> On 10/14/2016 05:28 PM, juan wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:04:15 -0600
> >>> Mirimir  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> 
>  As I said, you're a fucking hoax ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   go kill some of your 'customers' with badly cut heroin,
> >>> asshole.
> >>
> >> Yes, a fucking hoax who twists shit to support his fraudulent
> >> claims.
> > 
> > 
> > Oh, and by the way, I, unlike you, post using my real name.
> > You on the other hand are pretty much an anonymous coward. Since
> > your own character here is fake, you are by definition a
> > hoax.
> > 
> > Fucking idiot. 
> 
> Ah, but you see, it's your life that's the hoax :)



if an anonymous hoax and coward on the internet says so...












Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread Mirimir
On 10/14/2016 06:10 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:42:00 -0600
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/2016 05:28 PM, juan wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:04:15 -0600
>>> Mirimir  wrote:
>>>
>>>

 As I said, you're a fucking hoax ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> go kill some of your 'customers' with badly cut heroin,
>>> asshole.
>>
>> Yes, a fucking hoax who twists shit to support his fraudulent claims.
> 
> 
>   Oh, and by the way, I, unlike you, post using my real name. You
>   on the other hand are pretty much an anonymous coward. Since
>   your own character here is fake, you are by definition a hoax.
> 
>   Fucking idiot. 

Ah, but you see, it's your life that's the hoax :)


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:42:00 -0600
Mirimir  wrote:

> On 10/14/2016 05:28 PM, juan wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:04:15 -0600
> > Mirimir  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>
> >> As I said, you're a fucking hoax ;)
> > 
> > 
> > go kill some of your 'customers' with badly cut heroin,
> > asshole.
> 
> Yes, a fucking hoax who twists shit to support his fraudulent claims.


Oh, and by the way, I, unlike you, post using my real name. You
on the other hand are pretty much an anonymous coward. Since
your own character here is fake, you are by definition a hoax.

Fucking idiot. 








Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread Mirimir
On 10/14/2016 05:28 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:04:15 -0600
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
> 
>>
>> As I said, you're a fucking hoax ;)
> 
> 
>   go kill some of your 'customers' with badly cut heroin, asshole.

Yes, a fucking hoax who twists shit to support his fraudulent claims.

Taking you seriously is a strong test for sanity.

 
>>>
>>>
> 
> 


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:18:16 -0600
Mirimir  wrote:

> On 10/14/2016 05:02 PM, John Newman wrote:
> > Global warming is not a hoax.
> > 
> > This list is less than useless.
> 
> Yeah, it died, and then got reanimated by jerks. It's been a classic
> Usenet-style troll takeover. Sad :(



Why don't you explain the relationship of your
americunt enviro-fascism to crypto-anarchy? Oh wait...

So yeah, go cry on the shoulder of the other enviro-retards. 






> 
> > John
> > 
> >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:47 PM, juan  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:33 -0400
> >> Steve Kinney  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Disinformation shops that push the belief that global warming is a
> >>> hoax,
> >>
> >>global warming IS a hoax.
> >>
> >>
> >>> also uniformly represent Agenda 21 as a conspiracy to establish
> >>> a One World Government.
> >>
> >>
> >>I don't know what 'agenda 21' is and I don't much care, but
> >>global warming is a hoax well suited for establisihing a
> >> world government.
> >>
> >>And a world government is pretty much a 'logical' and
> >> 'natural' evolution of national government. 
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> >>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)
> >>>
> >>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYAVn1AAoJEECU6c5XzmuqfYYIAMycRAscSHBNY3ROCmUGv/Ej
> >>> YjgPEO9CJdgBKoh4MjjIdlPU4JDA19pOxvP9iicGAGXHj3l2Lyk/SXwPOqCh/CrN
> >>> L/xKEXxdDyV55VHKu9I/epIVQJ1pcp8GmoXuHB+RMlooEevonVN21ubC6Tbh3eqI
> >>> FCVWdkQMimuhD5XxkkGLVprvwEpxHLPWLAciCCXvdM7QGMGbql+LsJcgYPWAw7Y/
> >>> KhhKi2rbOw9DhVtC81PjbWE9cErHRYaQvod5S3ckKHrKLr4+EHWXg3LIyeyJqUxt
> >>> In35cTV39z1Yhm2t7x8O0Pyau17BfSFxRzua5bYTaRBYounbCKl4jypPfNVg99E=
> >>> =aWeq
> >>> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> >>
> > 
> > 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 17:04:15 -0600
Mirimir  wrote:


> 
> As I said, you're a fucking hoax ;)


go kill some of your 'customers' with badly cut heroin, asshole.



> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread Mirimir
On 10/14/2016 05:02 PM, John Newman wrote:
> Global warming is not a hoax.
> 
> This list is less than useless.

Yeah, it died, and then got reanimated by jerks. It's been a classic
Usenet-style troll takeover. Sad :(

> John
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:47 PM, juan  wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:33 -0400
>> Steve Kinney  wrote:
>>
>>> Disinformation shops that push the belief that global warming is a
>>> hoax,
>>
>>  global warming IS a hoax.
>>
>>
>>> also uniformly represent Agenda 21 as a conspiracy to establish
>>> a One World Government.
>>
>>  
>>  I don't know what 'agenda 21' is and I don't much care, but
>>  global warming is a hoax well suited for establisihing a world
>>  government.
>>
>>  And a world government is pretty much a 'logical' and 'natural'
>>  evolution of national government. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
>>> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)
>>>
>>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYAVn1AAoJEECU6c5XzmuqfYYIAMycRAscSHBNY3ROCmUGv/Ej
>>> YjgPEO9CJdgBKoh4MjjIdlPU4JDA19pOxvP9iicGAGXHj3l2Lyk/SXwPOqCh/CrN
>>> L/xKEXxdDyV55VHKu9I/epIVQJ1pcp8GmoXuHB+RMlooEevonVN21ubC6Tbh3eqI
>>> FCVWdkQMimuhD5XxkkGLVprvwEpxHLPWLAciCCXvdM7QGMGbql+LsJcgYPWAw7Y/
>>> KhhKi2rbOw9DhVtC81PjbWE9cErHRYaQvod5S3ckKHrKLr4+EHWXg3LIyeyJqUxt
>>> In35cTV39z1Yhm2t7x8O0Pyau17BfSFxRzua5bYTaRBYounbCKl4jypPfNVg99E=
>>> =aWeq
>>> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
>>
> 
> 


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 19:02:01 -0400
John Newman  wrote:

> Global warming is not a hoax.

global warming is a hoax - and as I mentioned before you are not
even using the correct scam terminology : global warming 

 
> This list is less than useless.

translation : useless for establishment propaganda. Though
there's a good deal of establishment propaganda in it, so who
knows. 

Anyway,  I'm sure you would be warmly welcomed in some Elite
Enlightened Institution like the 'cryptography' mailing list. 




ps: americans are worse than russians. I say that as an independent
third party =)





> 
> 
> John
> 
> > On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:47 PM, juan  wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:33 -0400
> > Steve Kinney  wrote:
> > 
> >> Disinformation shops that push the belief that global warming is a
> >> hoax,
> > 
> > global warming IS a hoax.
> > 
> > 
> >> also uniformly represent Agenda 21 as a conspiracy to establish
> >> a One World Government.
> > 
> > 
> > I don't know what 'agenda 21' is and I don't much care, but
> > global warming is a hoax well suited for establisihing a
> > world government.
> > 
> > And a world government is pretty much a 'logical' and
> > 'natural' evolution of national government. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)
> >> 
> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJYAVn1AAoJEECU6c5XzmuqfYYIAMycRAscSHBNY3ROCmUGv/Ej
> >> YjgPEO9CJdgBKoh4MjjIdlPU4JDA19pOxvP9iicGAGXHj3l2Lyk/SXwPOqCh/CrN
> >> L/xKEXxdDyV55VHKu9I/epIVQJ1pcp8GmoXuHB+RMlooEevonVN21ubC6Tbh3eqI
> >> FCVWdkQMimuhD5XxkkGLVprvwEpxHLPWLAciCCXvdM7QGMGbql+LsJcgYPWAw7Y/
> >> KhhKi2rbOw9DhVtC81PjbWE9cErHRYaQvod5S3ckKHrKLr4+EHWXg3LIyeyJqUxt
> >> In35cTV39z1Yhm2t7x8O0Pyau17BfSFxRzua5bYTaRBYounbCKl4jypPfNVg99E=
> >> =aWeq
> >> -END PGP SIGNATURE-
> > 
> 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread Mirimir
On 10/14/2016 05:05 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:51:33 -0600
> Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/2016 04:47 PM, juan wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:33 -0400
>>> Steve Kinney  wrote:
>>>
 Disinformation shops that push the belief that global warming is a
 hoax,
>>>
>>> global warming IS a hoax.
>>
>> Dude, you're a hoax!
> 
> 
>   that coming from a tor-bot, who has a solid track record of
>   stupidity and absurdities including 'physics' and economics. 
> 
>   so again, global warming is hoax, tor is a US military weapon
>   you support, your highly stupid remarks about black markets show
>   you are either ignoran or dishonest, and zombie cats don't
>   exist. 

As I said, you're a fucking hoax ;)

>> 
> 
> 


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread John Newman
Global warming is not a hoax.

This list is less than useless.


John

> On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:47 PM, juan  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:33 -0400
> Steve Kinney  wrote:
> 
>> Disinformation shops that push the belief that global warming is a
>> hoax,
> 
>   global warming IS a hoax.
> 
> 
>> also uniformly represent Agenda 21 as a conspiracy to establish
>> a One World Government.
> 
>   
>   I don't know what 'agenda 21' is and I don't much care, but
>   global warming is a hoax well suited for establisihing a world
>   government.
> 
>   And a world government is pretty much a 'logical' and 'natural'
>   evolution of national government. 
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Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 16:51:33 -0600
Mirimir  wrote:

> On 10/14/2016 04:47 PM, juan wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:33 -0400
> > Steve Kinney  wrote:
> > 
> >> Disinformation shops that push the belief that global warming is a
> >> hoax,
> > 
> > global warming IS a hoax.
> 
> Dude, you're a hoax!


that coming from a tor-bot, who has a solid track record of
stupidity and absurdities including 'physics' and economics. 

so again, global warming is hoax, tor is a US military weapon
you support, your highly stupid remarks about black markets show
you are either ignoran or dishonest, and zombie cats don't
exist. 








> 
> 



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread Mirimir
On 10/14/2016 04:47 PM, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:33 -0400
> Steve Kinney  wrote:
> 
>> Disinformation shops that push the belief that global warming is a
>> hoax,
> 
>   global warming IS a hoax.

Dude, you're a hoax!




Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:19:33 -0400
Steve Kinney  wrote:

> Disinformation shops that push the belief that global warming is a
> hoax,

global warming IS a hoax.


> also uniformly represent Agenda 21 as a conspiracy to establish
> a One World Government.


I don't know what 'agenda 21' is and I don't much care, but
global warming is a hoax well suited for establisihing a world
government.

And a world government is pretty much a 'logical' and 'natural'
evolution of national government. 






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Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread juan
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 10:50:48 +0200
Tom  wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 06:04:34PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > How about reforming the "modern" "democratic" state with direct
> > democracy - Swiss style ?
> 
> Doesn't work:
> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Schweizer-erlauben-Geheimdienst-umfangreiches-Ueberwachungsarsenal-3331327.html
> 
> (german only, sorry).
> 
> In a referendum swiss citizens agreed to the latest surveilance law
> (NDG). According to the new law NDB (swiss intelligence service)
> will be allowed to:
> 
> - open letters
> - intercept phone calls
> - intercept sms
> - install bug devices in apparments
> - install troyans on computers and mobiles
> - apply gps trackers to vehicles
> - live-search of communications like mail or chat
> - interrupt & attack networks (domestic and foreign)
> - store all collected data for 6 months
> - companies are obliged to comply with surveillance requests
> - no more protection of lawers or journalists
> - and a lot more
> 
> 65% of voters agreed with the law.



Thanks! I had missed that one. I was about to comment that
sometimes they voted for the right thing (voted against
copyright in 1866 I believe), but sometimes didn't. Most of the
results don't look too good I'm afraid.






> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tom.



Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread Tom
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 06:04:34PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> How about reforming the "modern" "democratic" state with direct
> democracy - Swiss style ?

Doesn't work:
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Schweizer-erlauben-Geheimdienst-umfangreiches-Ueberwachungsarsenal-3331327.html

(german only, sorry).

In a referendum swiss citizens agreed to the latest surveilance law
(NDG). According to the new law NDB (swiss intelligence service)
will be allowed to:

- open letters
- intercept phone calls
- intercept sms
- install bug devices in apparments
- install troyans on computers and mobiles
- apply gps trackers to vehicles
- live-search of communications like mail or chat
- interrupt & attack networks (domestic and foreign)
- store all collected data for 6 months
- companies are obliged to comply with surveillance requests
- no more protection of lawers or journalists
- and a lot more

65% of voters agreed with the law.




Tom.


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-14 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:06:07PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:25:14 +1100
> Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
> 
> > If you read
> > his speech, you will see that, at least at this early hour (his maiden
> > speech), he is not "a politician" 
> 
> 
>   I read enough to find out what he claims to believe about the
>   state and economic activities. He's the typical intervionist
>   saying that 'good' government is needed to 'regulate'
>   businesses. When in reality, of course, businesses and
>   government are sides of the same corrupt coin. 

Fair enough.

>   I'm not going to bother researching what the australian
>   government did to sheep farmers in the 80s. Part of what he
>   says may be true. And if it's true then that would be an even
>   bigger reason to get rid of government, not to allegedly try to
>   'reform' it. 

True.

>   He is part of the problem, not the solution. Like any other
>   poliician he will serve himself and those who finance him.

There is no flow chart for such humans to refer to, describing rational
solutions to their real and historical problems. Like that "are we
having a rational conversation/ debate" flowchart.


How about reforming the "modern" "democratic" state with direct
democracy - Swiss style ?


Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-13 Thread Александр
Thank you very much, Zen!
This is very inspiring to see politicians like this one. Of course, he is
still a politician... he is still part of this fucked up system, BUT ...
there is BUT. And he is this "BUT".

With politicians like Rod Culleton, there is still HOPE. Small and faint...
but hope.

2016-10-14 2:50 GMT+03:00 Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net>:

> It is rare that any politician gets a standing ovation.
>
> Here is one:
>
>
>    Subject: Fwd: RE: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden
> Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube
>
> *WHAT AN INSPIRATIONAL SPEECH*
>
> Date: Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:16 PM
> Subject: Fwd: RE: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden
> Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube
>
> It's been a very long time since we've had a politician in Parliament
> with the sort of passion for Australia that Rod Culleton demonstrated
> yesterday. Be prepared to be moved.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pbt7cQ_bkE
>
>
> I ask that you forward, share, like, tweet and generally spread this
> clip as far and wide as you can because every Australian needs the
> opportunity to be inspired by what our Senator Culleton said yesterday.
>
>
> Senator CULLETON
> <http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/
> display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22handbook%2Fallmps%2F266482%22;querytype=;rec=0>
> (Western Australia) (17:20): I stand here in this chamber today to present
> my inaugural speech on oath, to deliver my message to the Australian
> people. What follows will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
> truth before almighty God and the people of Australia.
>
> To senators, veterans, Indigenous elders of this great land and all
> Australians, Pauline quoted 'I'm back!' My quote is: 'I'm here! Despite all
> attempts to silence the WA voters' choice, I am here—bright-eyed and
> bushy-tailed—despite all attempts to deflate my tyres on the drive over
> from Western Australia.' As one would know, a good farmer always keeps a
> good puncture kit handy in the ashtray of the ute and a good toolbox in the
> back. It is true it can be hard to pull up a cocky.
>
> Just reiterating a few housekeeping rules: it appears that during other
> speeches certain members are leaving the field before the final siren goes,
> so if any senator wants to leave now is as good a time as any.
>
> I pay tribute to my party leader Pauline Hanson, the PH in One Nation. A
> good PH balance will grow a healthy Australia, and this 'hung parliament'
> promises to do exactly that. Being a Nationals voter for 35 years, I am
> honoured to be a One Nation senator representing my constituents in WA.
> With the support of my fellow senators Malcolm Roberts, Brian Burston and,
> again, Pauline Hanson, One Nation is the awesome foursome. We will be your
> voice in the Senate. We will work with other crossbench senators and both
> sides of the chamber to ensure Australia is heard and effectively
> represented.
>
> On my first day of parliament I witnessed members singing out of the same
> hymn book in St Andrew's cathedral in Canberra. This now needs to be
> mirrored in both chambers in the Australian parliament. As a farmer, it is
> true, the only audience I have had to address up until now has simply been
> a mob of sheep in the yards. If I sound a little rough, rest assured I will
> apply a little bit of choke until I get up to running temperature.
>
> I want my actions in this place to reflect my own personal experiences, and
> having been locked in a financial crocodile roll for the last six years
> with people trying to steal my intellectual property, I have lost all
> incentive to invent anything again. But I have not lost my incentive to fix
> the mess so it doesn't happen to others in the future. Prime Minister
> Turnbull says Australians need to become more innovative. I would say
> innovation raises a flag to attract large corporations to attack the
> innovator of a great idea, so let's fix that first.
>
> My inaugural question in the Senate on 12 September this year was to the
> honourable the Attorney-General and concerned the inconsistencies and
> unconstitutional behaviour of our courts. I have started in this place as I
> mean to go on, with my inaugural question aiming right at the middle stump
> on constitutional issues. That question was unprecedented and referred to
> the High Court rules review committee. It is on notice that Dennis Lillee
> wasn't the only best bowler to come out of Western Australia.
>
> The hunted has now become the hunter. Australia is not running on all
> cylinders and it is desperately in need of a tune up, to simply put the
> blue flame out and put it into overdrive. This will 

Re: Inspirational - Senator Culleton's Passionate Maiden Senate Speech gets Standing Ovation - YouTube

2016-10-13 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 09:25:52PM -0300, juan wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 10:50:58 +1100
> Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> 
> > It is rare that any politician gets a standing ovation.
> 
>   He's a politician. A murderous thief at best,

This is the first time this man has ever been in parliament. One Nation
party is renegade, at least from the establishment perspective, and so
them getting 4 seats in the senate is a fair shift - they may well hold
the balance of power on many issues.

Previously when Pauline Hanson (founder of One Nation) looked like she
would storm the senate with a number of seats, a retrospective law was
brought in - by both of the two "lame stream" parties, to stop her - and
they did so retrospectively, putting her in jail because her fledgling
One Nation party had only 700 members, and the new minimum was 900 or
so, and this was a jailable offence.

They achieved their unlawful, illegal, despotic and anti-democratic goal
by putting her in jail (stopping her from being elected).

Now, many years later, she's back. And this time, they have 4 seats -
Pauline is one of them, and this ex-farmer guy is another. If you read
his speech, you will see that, at least at this early hour (his maiden
speech), he is not "a politician" in the depressing general conception
of what that means.

So for us Aussies, this is actually really good stuff - the possibility
of just a little bit of something sort of resembling representation of
constituents might be seen over the next few years. Yes it's a slim
hope, but I do hope.


There's a saying "those who don't involve themselves in politics are
destined to be ruled over by those who do" - forgot the attribution
right now sorry.

When a farmer is elected for the first time, yes, he is then a
politician. And yes, we have nothing like a representative democracy,
let alone something representing ongoingly the actual will of the
people (direct democracy).


Yes our system needs some fundamental overhauls (pathways to start from
scratch risks chaos, which I personally prefer to avoid).