philosophokiddies: Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

On 9/3/16 5:00 PM, Razer wrote: > On 09/03/2016 11:41 AM, grarpamp wrote: > >> "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing >> cryptography and its effect on society." > That's why I'm here. I'm on the 'society' end of that dyad. > > Just in case it REALLY matters to Juan

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

On 9/3/16 1:30 PM, juan wrote: > On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:41:52 -0400 > grarpamp wrote: > > >> [1] >> "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing >> cryptography and its effect on society." > incomplete, and you didn't even provide a 'source' > >

Re: FOR once and FOR ALL

On 9/3/16 4:21 PM, John wrote: > > On September 3, 2016 3:07:40 PM EDT, Xer0Dynamite > wrote: Read Hack the Law at hackerspaces wiki or New World Order, also at that site. Either the future is made BY us, or it is destroyed by >> US. Which is it? >>>

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

On 9/3/16 2:41 PM, juan wrote: > On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:14:13 -0700 > "Stephen D. Williams" <s...@lig.net> wrote: > >> On 9/3/16 1:30 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:41:52 -0400 >>> grarpamp <grarp...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> &

Cypherpunks Charter

(Apologies for rehashing this, but it seems a good time to make another pass at consensus.) This is how I always thought about the Cypherpunks charter: Cypherpunks exists to promote free speech, establish that free speech includes the freedom to have secure private speech, and to explore how

Re: WaPo [CIA]: "Intelligence community investigating covert Russian influence operations in US"

On 9/5/16 9:17 AM, Razer wrote: > Whose dinsinforming whom? >> "U.S. intelligence officials described the covert influence campaign here as >> “ambitious”..." yet "The official cautioned that the intelligence community >> is not saying it has “definitive proof” of such tampering, or any Russian

Re: Fw: Political Cypherpunks Trumps Apolitical Cryptography

On 9/5/16 8:13 AM, Razer wrote: > On 09/04/2016 10:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness quoted, I believe John Young: > >> That sounds like what cypherpunks was set up to combat, the withdrawal from >> politcial affairs into safe sanctuary of infallible mathematics... My take on the Cypherpunks charter:

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

On 9/5/16 12:44 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/05/2016 12:21 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some or >> all cases, it doesn't say it in his signature, or in the manifesto. > > He's saying it with his LIFE dude. M

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

On 9/5/16 1:24 PM, John Young wrote: > Also Eric Hughes: A Cypherpunk's Manifesto, 9 March 1993 > > http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html Yes, I should have included that link. Let's call it [EricCM]. I just reread it a day or two ago. My short statement is an attempt to condense

Re: Politically Correct and Hypocrisy

On 9/5/16 1:12 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > > Sometimes, I have very strong suicidal tendencies, because this hypocrite > world, where everybody pretend being "politically > correct" is _not_ the place where I want to live... Aff... :(( > It's not so bad overall. Don't let the jerks and the

Re: Political Cypherpunks Trumps Apolitical Cryptography

On 9/5/16 2:07 PM, juan wrote: > On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:39:12 -0700 > "Stephen D. Williams" <s...@lig.net> wrote: > > > >> What this does not include is promoting or bashing particular >> political systems or plotting their demise > Cypherpunks

Re: ROTF! Techie Hipster Soirée invaded at BurnTheMan

Have you been to Burning Man? Do you understand it? On 9/5/16 6:27 PM, Razer wrote: > "Response to raid on White Ocean zone split with some describing it as > an attempt to reclaim event from the ‘parasite class’" The "hooligans" are lucky that the purveyors of the camp did employ an

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

On 9/5/16 6:38 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/05/2016 01:05 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 9/5/16 12:44 PM, Razer wrote: >>> On 09/05/2016 12:21 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>> Regardless of what Tim may or may not have wanted to happen in some or >>

Re: ROTF! Techie Hipster Soirée invaded at BurnTheMan

On 9/5/16 7:19 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/05/2016 06:53 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> Have you been to Burning Man? Do you understand it? > Yup. It was dead after the 3rd or 4th year like most events that occur > annually. Mavericks surf contest did quite well for itself

Re: "Too much netflix and youtube syndrome" affecting 'Merican children

With a good critical thinking base, it is fairly easy to avoid the 'evil' of technology and technology-enabled communications while benefiting greatly from broad knowledge, understanding, and, ideally, beneficial connections. If you are limited to or you choose the path of ignorance, you may

Re: Political Cypherpunks Trumps Apolitical Cryptography

On 9/6/16 4:06 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 02:05:35PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 9/5/16 2:07 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Mon, 5 Sep 2016 11:39:12 -0700 >>> "Stephen D. Williams" <s...@lig.net> wrote: >>> >

Re: Philosophokiddies

On 9/6/16 1:50 PM, PhiloKing wrote: A king now? You have an impressive grasp of cutting edge political systems. >> Some wannabe philosopher: >> philosophokiddies > Reading philosophy doesn't make you a philosopher. Clearly; that was my point. But I didn't say anything about reading philosophy.

Re: [WAR] ...

On 9/1/16 1:35 PM, juan wrote: > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:21:19 -0700 > "Stephen D. Williams" <s...@lig.net> wrote: > >> On 9/1/16 1:16 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 12:34:53 -0700 >>> "Stephen D. Williams" <s...@lig.net> wro

Re: [WAR] ...

On 9/1/16 2:28 PM, juan wrote: > On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:59:16 -0700 > "Stephen D. Williams" <s...@lig.net> wrote: > >> On 9/1/16 1:35 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 13:21:19 -0700 >>> "Stephen D. Williams" <s...@lig.net> w

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

; " > "Evolution in action. The market in action. A better approach > than trying to get the name and the charter changed." A market in action... > ps: messages from the great philosopher Stephen D. Williams? 77 in > total, stopped posting in 1995 - messages are ei

Re: New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent

I just finally refreshed this for my server. These instructions and test reflector were extremely helpful. https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/configure-spf-and-dkim-in-postfix-on-debian-8 sdw On 8/29/16 9:11 PM, Bardi Harborow wrote: > The mail server doesn't appear to use TLS when

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

On 9/9/16 7:42 AM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/08/2016 11:42 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> And why do you think it was unfair? > > Simply? Because you don't have the vaguest fucking idea where I've been > or what I know. Troll. None of that matters if you can't have

Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

On 9/11/16 10:21 PM, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/11/2016 11:15 PM, oshwm wrote: >> The bottom line is that you DO NOT believe in freespeech but are trying to >> convince yourself and others that you do. >> >> People like you who try to pass off controlled or restricted speech as free >> speech are

Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech]

On 9/11/16 10:59 PM, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > > > "True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots the > right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular > but valid opinions can be debated and society can grow." > > No I don't agree with you. Sorry but you dont get

Re: Coalition Seeks Obama to Pardon Snowden

On 9/14/16 5:13 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/14/2016 12:55 PM, Sean Lynch wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 7:23 AM, Razer > > wrote: >> >> ... >> So he returns home to a hero's welcome and a year later he's been >> involved in a fatal car

Re: UK: Censors, Tracks and Balkanizes Its Internet; 10yrs for Pirates

Although they can work to coopt and compromise in various ways, there are legal limits to control of crypto and security in the US. That's what all the fights in the 90's were about. We've seen that ATT and Microsoft seem to easily turn over, or enable to be turned over, access to everyone's

Re: Big Dataz Isn’t Just Watching You—It’s **Designed** To Make You Poorer

Good to monitor and correct but not necessarily bad overall. Wall Street and others have always used questionable data at many levels. In a neighborhood that I lived in for a long time, it was very obvious that once-every-10-years census data was almost completely controlling development. The

Re: Cypherpunks Charter

ot;really difficult". > > But the heart maketh the man as they say.. > > > > On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 07:06:54PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 01:05:00PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>> On 9/5/16 12:44 PM, Razer wrote: >>>

Re: Mail, please.

On 9/12/16 4:54 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:29:09PM -, Liam E. wrote: >> What is the most minimal setup for command-line mail on a system like Debian? > "MUA and POP retriever." > > For ultra lightweight, use bsd-mailx > > For features, use alpine or mutt > > For

Re: Coalition Seeks Obama to Pardon Snowden

On 9/14/16 6:05 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 09/14/2016 05:27 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > >> but inevitably toward less abuse and more transparency. > You don't get out much do you? All the time. Do you? What are you implying that you have observed? I run, bike, or skate

Re: New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent (was: Re: moving on))

On 9/2/16 12:02 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 08:36:43PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >>> will work to sync up the archives so that the split brain we've been >> Don't taint the provenance... just as your archive contains only yours, >> this file should only contain messages from

Re: New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent

On 9/8/16 7:17 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > On 09/08/2016 10:03 PM, Mirimir wrote: > > On 09/08/2016 07:39 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: > >> On 09/05/2016 12:15 PM, Александр wrote: > > > >> Well that's odd. I wonder what it's about? Splitting the list > >> into what? Two with different themes? One

Re: UK: Censors, Tracks and Balkanizes Its Internet; 10yrs for Pirates

On 9/14/16 11:11 PM, oshwm wrote: > The UK Gov has spent two generations indoctrinating people right from birth > that privacy is only for bad people, big corporations > will look after them, gov dependency is a good thing, debt is a good thing, > politics is of no interest and too complicated

Re: Coalition Seeks Obama to Pardon Snowden

On 9/14/16 8:34 PM, grarpamp wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 8:27 PM, Stephen D. Williams <s...@lig.net> wrote: >> If that is ever found to be true, Americans would freak out. Government >> only has authority to the extent that they follow the rule of law. It's

Re: Switching gears

I can identify with that view somewhat. What used to be the case was that people would heavily scrutinize, gossip, report, etc. what others were doing. That was a tyranny of sorts too. By having more photos, video, and social sharing of all kinds, a much wider range of life was exposed as

Re: Little Brother, Re: Switching gears

On 9/21/16 10:59 AM, xorc...@sigaint.org wrote: >> That's called "Little Brother"; we (for various forms of "we") have talked >> about it a lot. > Heh. Kinda funny. I called it "Little Sister" when I mentioned it to my > buddy. I like that. Perhaps the well-designed incarnation should be "Little

Re: Legal vs lawful vs moral; legally sanctioned yet immoral

On 9/15/16 2:23 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 01:36:18AM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 9/15/16 1:12 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20:31PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>> On 9/14/16 8:34 PM, grarp

Re: Legal vs lawful vs moral; legally sanctioned yet immoral

On 9/15/16 1:12 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:20:31PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 9/14/16 8:34 PM, grarpamp wrote: >>> Leaking paper is one thing, disassembling the quiet >>> handshakes and luncheons of conspiracy is another. >

America is an Idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfuOOwJxsdU So, to make this on topic, how are these best embodied, supported, protected, and/or extended by code, algorithms, policy, and various types of security? 1. You and me are created equal - an economic recession need not become an equality recession 2.

Re: email catch all domains - was Re: [WAR] Leaked recording proves John Kerry pushed for massive war in Syria, while Saudi Arabia and Turkey funded Al Qaeda

Yes, I've always done this. The other downside is that the anti-spam laws were not designed to protect people in this mode: You can only unsub one address at a time, not a whole domain. Automation can help that, but it is a pain. Email clients are spotty on multiple identity support.

Re:

On 9/26/16 12:38 PM, Sean Lynch wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 12:27 PM, Stephen D. Williams <s...@lig.net > <mailto:s...@lig.net>> wrote: > > On 9/26/16 11:35 AM, Sean Lynch wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Xer0Dynamite >> <drea

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: > > On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: > > >> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. > > I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? It's > about as ignorant a thing to say as I can imagine.

Re: Jake and Tor article

Thanks, cool! On 10/12/16 11:15 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > > On Oct 12, 2016 12:21 PM, "Razer" > wrote: > > > > HAHAHAHAHAHJHHA! ((espanol) JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA! > > Now rooty will create a new conspiracy theory with the subject "Razer = > juan" and

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote: > > > > On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > >> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute anything >> significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >> > > I said or i

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse? I don't think you know what that word means. sdw On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote: > > Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse". > > > On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer

Re: Countervail: 'Progressive-liberal Fascism Rears It's Ugly Head In The "Sharing Economy"'

Nice, thanks. I'm from a small (11,000 then, 10,000 now) town in Ohio which, probably now and definitely when I grew up there, was >99.9% white: there was a single black family in the whole town. No Asians, no >Hispanics. sdw On 11/11/16 10:16 AM, Razer wrote: > That post on twitter got all

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

orts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a ham > radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. > > It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's > literally idiotic and historically vacant. A stupid-ing down > of the history of the int

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

On 11/11/16 12:36 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > > The most bizarre 'benefit' of CypherPunk list to foreign people like me is > learning new bad words and adjetives almost all the > weeks... :P > > Already knowed 'obtuse' because its writting and sound remembers a lot > 'obtuso' in Portuguese.

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote: > > > > On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse? I don't think you know >> what that word means. >> >> sdw > > Yes I do. It means tangential... surro

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

On 11/11/16 12:16 PM, Razer wrote: > > > > On 11/11/2016 12:08 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>> Specific and well-kno

Re: [i...@fsf.org: He invented the Web. Would he give up on free standards?]

On 11/11/16 12:54 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: > > On Nov 11, 2016 5:41 PM, "Stephen D. Williams" <s...@lig.net > <mailto:s...@lig.net>> wrote: > >> > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative) > >> <https://en.wikipedia.o

Re: Geek captcha

: I guess I was lucky I got credited, by mentioning online, early concepts for the Warrant Canary and (what became known as) The Street Performer Protocol before others. On Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 1:36 PM Stephen D. Williams mailto:s...@lig.net>> wrote: Cool! That's a good idea.  I may imp

Re: Geek captcha

Cool!  That's a good idea.  I may implement it and similar things soon.  Just for posterity, I independently invented CAPTCHA, I think a year before the CMU kids thought of it.  I even began filing a patent while at my startup in the late 1990's, but we ran out of money.  I should have

Re: Decentralization as Imperatice [was: The Libertarian As Conservative]

On 3/26/19 3:40 PM, coderman wrote: When I first realized that I was already a libertarian, and always had been, in about 1975, it was always quite clear that Liberals, Leftists, and fellow-travellers hated (or at least strongly disliked) libertarianism.  For reasons that are clear studying

Re: centralized corrections

On 3/26/19 4:48 PM, Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH wrote: On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:35 PM coderman wrote: Or the global cost of decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse. Name your abuse of choice: it's worse when it's being done everywhere to / by everyone. let's play a game:

Re: Decentralization as Imperatice [was: The Libertarian As Conservative]

On 3/26/19 4:25 PM, coderman wrote: hello Steven! you may not want to provoke here, but i welcome your input. in discussions of personal responsibility you come up lacking. Really?  How is that?  What's your proof? Or the global cost of decentralized abuses.  Which could be, and used to

Re: Decentralization as Imperatice [was: The Libertarian As Conservative]

On 3/26/19 5:05 PM, coderman wrote: What are you talking about?  Do you assume often?  If you would have read any of my last 30 years of writing on the Internet, you would know that I am diametrically opposed to the Catholic mindset, in the sense you are ascribing.  Do your research. ok.

Re: Bitmessage - Anonymous, Encrypted, Secure Messaging, Chans, and Broadcasts

never roll our own crypto (how inconvenient > for them), that we should put all our eggs in their leaky basket. > > a old cypherpunk On the face of the above marketing, checking all the right boxes - that's a good start. Needs to be at the top of a few bucket lists

Re: Bitmessage - Anonymous, Encrypted, Secure Messaging, Chans, and Broadcasts

On 8/24/19 11:33 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:34:53PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote: For certain common purposes, one would not want anonymity, but pseudonymity along with certain pairs and groups having true name sharing or reputational pseudonyms, federated