Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Marina Brown]

On 02/10/2017 02:38 AM, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2/10/2017 2:31 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Hahaha - tell me where to get my check from Daddy Soros. I sure need it.
> 
> Soros directly funds and directly controls the Tides foundation.
> 
> The Tides foundation directly funds The Alliance for Global Justice
> 
> The Alliance for Global Justice gave fifty thousand dollars “Refuse
> Fascism” which staged the riot at Berkeley.
> .
> 
 Yep - put the blame on the revolutionary communist party - it will take
the heat off the real activists in the Bay area.

Please keep telling this story. Ha !

...And get me my soros check ! I'm poor



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Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[James A. Donald]

On 2/10/2017 2:31 PM, Marina Brown wrote:

Hahaha - tell me where to get my check from Daddy Soros. I sure need it.


> On 02/09/2017 11:38 PM, James A. Donald wrote:

Soros directly funds and directly controls the Tides foundation.

The Tides foundation directly funds The Alliance for Global Justice

The Alliance for Global Justice gave fifty thousand dollars �Refuse
Fascism� which staged the riot at Berkeley.


On 2/11/2017 2:20 AM, Razer wrote:

Ps. Tides also gives money to Adbusters' foundatio



Adbusters advocates for a communist command economy.  During the 
twentieth century, all mass murders, including the Nazi mass murders, 
were associated with, and arguably the result of command economies.


The Nazi mass murders were not so much the result of racism, as the 
command economy.  The initial plan of the Nazis was to deport the Jews 
to anywhere that would take them, including and especially Israel.  They 
had a large bureaucracy for helping Jews through other country's 
bureaucracies.  But other countries obstructed this program. At the same 
time, Germany developed the standard command economy food shortages, as 
Venezuela and North Korea have today, and decided to deal with this by 
prioritizing feeding some people over feeding other people -  Jews not 
being the only group de-prioritized, thus Nazi mass murders were in 
practice very similar to communist mass murders.



The Tides foundation also used to support terrorism and mass murder in 
Syria, and for all I know still does.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Joshua Case]

> On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> On 02/10/2017 10:28 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> meaning, you won’t interact with me unless it’s in front of other people?
> 
> Yup. That's Eggs-ackly what I mean.
> 
>> because you need that level of attention?
> 
> 
> No. Because you need the pubic 'exposure'.
> 

As an unintelligent person, with some kind of physical disability which causes 
slow cognition - a precondition of genetic nature maybe? As 'sperm on the 
ground', or am I a fascist too now? Can people of color be fascist? I'm 
uninformed. Would be really fascinating to hear your thoughts. 



>> I was just trying to reduce the level of idiocy before i just plain muted 
>> you, like everyone else on this list has, and are imploring me to do. 
> 
> Odd. More intelligent people seem to respond to my posting, when they feel 
> it, than I've seen responding to yours. But posting items to a list isn't a 
> popularity contest ... now is it?

I don’t copy-paste off topic news story links to the list nearly as much as you 
do, no, and you are an effective troll. true. 


> It's really an insight of your interests, to others on the list...(and fwiw I 
> don't consider the fascist trolls like Z, J, 'The Donald', and tentatively 
> the wordy but still socially ignorant JB, really intelligent. Unless you 
> consider reptilian aliens 'intelligent' in any way but socially vicious 
> intelligence.)
> 

> 
> Just like you're wasting my time responding to you. For the last time.


It’s been a nice ride. Thanks!

> 
> Rr
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Razer >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's right. I'm insulting your intellect.
>>> 
>>> Don't contact me offlist again schmuck. I'm too busy for you nonsesne
>>> 
>>> On 02/10/2017 10:07 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
 
 
> 
> So are the people who run world governments that commit Genocide and the 
> officers of corporations poisoning the planet (and our minds, with 
> advertising of the products causing the physical poisoning).
> 
> You aren't making your case spewball.
> 
> "Rational" is relative.
> 
> Rr
> 
>> I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe heard 
>> his stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems.  
>> 
>> 
> 
 
 That’s all you’ve got? An obvious and blatant strawman fallacy and some 
 intellect insult? And no, rational is not relative - it’s not everywhere, 
 but it’s not relative. It has a precise definition, and there is a 
 mathematical proof for it.
 
 You might spend more time reading, less time writing for a while. 
 
 Unless you’re just a paid troll to keep this list off topic, undermining 
 productive countercultural projects and coordination. In which case, great 
 work. Keep hitting send! 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[juan]

On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 08:38:53 -0800
Razer  wrote:

> Soros  like most of the Old Rich White Men.

soros is a 'white' man? I thought he was a memever of
the chosen master race, like you.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/10/2017 10:28 AM, Joshua Case wrote:

> meaning, you won’t interact with me unless it’s in front of other people? 

Yup. That's Eggs-ackly what I mean.

> because you need that level of attention? 


No. Because you need the pubic 'exposure'.

> I was just trying to reduce the level of idiocy before i just plain
> muted you, like everyone else on this list has, and are imploring me
> to do.

Odd. More intelligent people seem to respond to my posting, when they
feel it, than I've seen responding to yours. But posting items to a list
isn't a popularity contest ... now is it? It's really an insight of your
interests, to others on the list...(and fwiw I don't consider the
fascist trolls like Z, J, 'The Donald', and tentatively the wordy but
still socially ignorant JB, really intelligent. Unless you consider
reptilian aliens 'intelligent' in any way but socially vicious
intelligence.)

>
> i’m not insecure with respect to my intellect, or schmuckiness - i’m
> alarmed that you’d use such a patriarchal type of genitals insult. i’m
> smart enough to see through people like you, and i am not a penis. 
>

Ah! You know some Yiddish! Ok then. Putz. Colloquially, 'Wasted sperm on
the ground'.

Just like you're wasting my time responding to you. For the last time.

Rr


>
>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Razer > > wrote:
>>
>> That's right. I'm insulting your intellect.
>>
>> Don't contact me offlist again schmuck. I'm too busy for you nonsesne
>>
>>
>> On 02/10/2017 10:07 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>>>
>>>

 So are the people who run world governments that commit Genocide
 and the officers of corporations poisoning the planet (and our
 minds, with advertising of the products causing the physical
 poisoning).

 You aren't making your case spewball.

 "Rational" is relative.

 Rr

> I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe
> heard his stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems. 
>
>

>>>
>>> That’s all you’ve got? An obvious and blatant strawman fallacy and
>>> some intellect insult? And no, rational is not relative - it’s not
>>> everywhere, but it’s not relative. It has a precise definition, and
>>> there is a mathematical proof for it.
>>>
>>> You might spend more time reading, less time writing for a while. 
>>>
>>> Unless you’re just a paid troll to keep this list off topic,
>>> undermining productive countercultural projects and coordination. In
>>> which case, great work. Keep hitting send! 
>>>
>>
>

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Joshua Case]

meaning, you won’t interact with me unless it’s in front of other people? 
because you need that level of attention? I was just trying to reduce the level 
of idiocy before i just plain muted you, like everyone else on this list has, 
and are imploring me to do. 

i’m not insecure with respect to my intellect, or schmuckiness - i’m alarmed 
that you’d use such a patriarchal type of genitals insult. i’m smart enough to 
see through people like you, and i am not a penis. 


> On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> That's right. I'm insulting your intellect.
> 
> Don't contact me offlist again schmuck. I'm too busy for you nonsesne
> 
> On 02/10/2017 10:07 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> So are the people who run world governments that commit Genocide and the 
>>> officers of corporations poisoning the planet (and our minds, with 
>>> advertising of the products causing the physical poisoning).
>>> 
>>> You aren't making your case spewball.
>>> 
>>> "Rational" is relative.
>>> 
>>> Rr
>>> 
 I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe heard his 
 stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems.  
 
 
>>> 
>> 
>> That’s all you’ve got? An obvious and blatant strawman fallacy and some 
>> intellect insult? And no, rational is not relative - it’s not everywhere, 
>> but it’s not relative. It has a precise definition, and there is a 
>> mathematical proof for it.
>> 
>> You might spend more time reading, less time writing for a while. 
>> 
>> Unless you’re just a paid troll to keep this list off topic, undermining 
>> productive countercultural projects and coordination. In which case, great 
>> work. Keep hitting send! 
>> 
> 

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

That's right. I'm insulting your intellect.

Don't contact me offlist again schmuck. I'm too busy for you nonsesne


On 02/10/2017 10:07 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>
>
>>
>> So are the people who run world governments that commit Genocide and
>> the officers of corporations poisoning the planet (and our minds,
>> with advertising of the products causing the physical poisoning).
>>
>> You aren't making your case spewball.
>>
>> "Rational" is relative.
>>
>> Rr
>>
>>> I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe
>>> heard his stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems. 
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> That’s all you’ve got? An obvious and blatant strawman fallacy and
> some intellect insult? And no, rational is not relative - it’s not
> everywhere, but it’s not relative. It has a precise definition, and
> there is a mathematical proof for it.
>
> You might spend more time reading, less time writing for a while. 
>
> Unless you’re just a paid troll to keep this list off topic,
> undermining productive countercultural projects and coordination. In
> which case, great work. Keep hitting send! 
>

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/10/2017 09:52 AM, "Joshua Case" wrote:

> rational
>

So are the people who run world governments that commit Genocide and the
officers of corporations poisoning the planet (and our minds, with
advertising of the products causing the physical poisoning).

You aren't making your case spewball.

"Rational" is relative.

Rr

> I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe heard
> his stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems. 
>
>

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Joshua Case]

OK SO, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PASS RAEZOR’S IQ TEST!

>>Jim Bell

Who wrote and did time for “Assassination Market” essay, among other things 
some good, some not so good in my humble…might be described as a Libertarian.

RAZERr makes it clear, in settling a bit of a challenge that antifa is a little 
slippery about what and who a fascist might be that he holds a theory in which :

> Libertarians are fascists.

Then graciously goes on, once more, though he’s been through this with us 
thousands of times and his patience is beginning to be tested, 


> Fascism cannot be conservative

moreover, 

> Fascism and it's idea of TRADITIONALISM would eliminate the internet 

ERGO

EITHER JIM BELL HATES CRYPTOGRAPHY AND THE INTERNET IN PARTICULAR AND IS TRYING 
TO DESTROY IT OR IS A CRYPTO_COMMUNIST ANTIFA AGENT.

I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe heard his 
stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems.  but raze, please just 
admit to yourself and your so smart they punch buddies that a "fascist” can 
really only be defined as “who ever it is that razzers is currently beating up.”

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 1:12 PM, John Newman  wrote:

>
> On February 10, 2017 4:26:04 AM EST,
> ​Yaawwnn, ​
> Z
> ​​
>
> ​Zzzz​...
>  wrote:
> >
> >Stop! People are speaking, they must ... STOP! It's terrorism,
> >STOP SPEAKING YOU WICIOUS TERRORIST!!
>
> Note that terrorist was put in quotes "terrorist" because the whole thing
> is a mockery. Kinda like calling you a "decent human being".
>
> But I wouldn't expect you to pick up on such subtleties =)


​Better always avoid high expectations in his case, dear.  Zzz is the kind
of guy who eats pizza using a spoon and tries the suicide beating his head
against a 'tofu', aff...​

​ :((

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu

(There is a Japanese expression which says that dumb people should beat
their head against the corner of a soft tofu and die.  The Brazilian
version is even worse and says that stupid people should try to hang
themselves in a scallion plant or try to drown in a puddle...  And an
Italian friend said I should hang myself using spaghetti, when I offended
him very, very deeply saying he uses ketchup in his pastas and pizzas,
hahaha!!  ;)

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/10/2017 01:50 AM, jim bell wrote:
> a repeat performance of OWS-behavior might draw the attention of the
> Federal "Justice Department". 


You don't follow along very well. ALL the lights and buzzers went off at
every fusion center in the US because your Billionaire's bffs KNOW how
to pigeonhole and divert single issue protests and their orgs, but
general insurrection? ROTF NOT!

Occupy SCARED THE LIVING SHIT out of 'the powers that be' (at least
until most of them were coopted by Right-wingers or Prog-Libs who the
gubmint colludes with), and Soros? What's his interest?

Money.

That's ALL the uber-wealthy are interested in, or else you'll NEVER have
all that money. Money and the power it buys. That money, as exemplified
by what Donald Trump, LOSER, is doing right now, can be made by creating
Chaos. Soros has ZERO interest in 'social change'. He is interested in
making money from destabilizing societies. In the long run, I'd say
he'll be burning his bonds for heat in a mud hut. But he's be dead long
before then like most of the Old Rich White Men.

Rr

Ps.

“I learned how to play Monopoly from my grandmother. She was a wonderful
person. She raised six children. She was a widow by the time that I knew
her. But she was the most ruthless Monopoly player I have ever known in
my life.

She understood that the name of the game was to acquire.

When she played and I got my initial money from the bank, I would just
try to hold onto it, because I didn’t want to lose any of it. She spent
everything, bought stuff she landed on as soon as she could, and she’d
mortgage it to buy more stuff. And of course, the way the game goes,
eventually she would accumulate everything. She would be the master of
the board. She understood that money was how you keep score in the game,
possessions are a matter of survival.

And she beat me every time. And at the end of the game she would look at
me and she’d say, “One day you’ll learn how to play the game.” She was
kind of cocky, my grandmother.

When I was about ten, I played every day through the Summer holidays
with a friend. It dawned on me the only way to win was total commitment
to acquisition. That summer I learned how to play the game. And by the
time autumn rolled around, I was more ruthless than even my grandmother.
I went to play her, and I was willing to do anything to win. I was
willing to bend the rules. I played with sweaty palms. Slowly, cunningly
I exposed the soft underbelly of my grandmother’s weakness.
Relentlessly, inexorably, I drove her off the board.

The game does strange things to you. I can still remember the day like
yesterday. I looked at my grandmother. This is the person who taught me
how to play.  She was an old woman by now. She was a widow.  She had
raised my mother. She loved me.

And I took everything she had. I destroyed her financially and
psychologically. I watched her give her last dollar and quit in utter
defeat. This was the greatest moment of my life.

And then she had one more lesson to teach me, my grandmother.

Then she said to me, “Now it all goes back in the box.” It all goes back
in the box.  All of the houses and hotels, Mayfair and Park Lane, all of
those railway stations and utilities, all of that wonderful money. It
all goes back in the box,” she said.

But I didn’t want it all to go back in the box. I wanted to leave the
board out permanently — bronze it maybe, as a memorial to what I had
achieved.

See, when she said, “It all goes back in the box,” it was kind of a way
of saying to me,

“None of it’s really yours. It doesn’t belong to you. You don’t own any
of it. You just used it for a little while. And now it all goes back in
the box.  And next time it’ll all go to somebody else. That’s the way
the game works.

So when you play the game, don’t forget this one lesson. When the game
comes to an end

...and the game always comes to an end, the stuff all goes back in the box.”

There is a simple, two-word question we tend not to ask ourselves. “Then
what?”

When I’ve reached the top, then what? When I have it all, then what?
When I finally have enough, when I am financially secure, when I’ve got
the sought after promotion, made the ultimate purchase, got the ideal
home, assured financial security, and climbed the ladder of success to
the highest rung, and then the thrill wears off–and it will wear
off—sooner or later you’re faced with the nagging question, “Then what?”
~Dr. James Dobson

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/09/2017 11:38 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2/10/2017 2:31 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Hahaha - tell me where to get my check from Daddy Soros. I sure need it.
>
> Soros directly funds and directly controls the Tides foundation.
>
> The Tides foundation directly funds The Alliance for Global Justice
>
> The Alliance for Global Justice gave fifty thousand dollars “Refuse
> Fascism” which staged the riot at Berkeley.


Where'd you get that last bit of bullshit? Art Bell/Coast to Coast or
Alex Jones?


Ps. Tides also gives money to Adbusters' foundation. I suppose you think
Occupy was a Soros production too ... because Fascists HAVE TO BELIEVE
that people can't 'think for themselves', shmuck.

Rr

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[John Newman]

On February 10, 2017 4:26:04 AM EST, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 09:33:11PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
>> On February 9, 2017 8:18:51 PM EST, "James A. Donald"
> wrote:
>> >On 2/6/2017 12:21 AM, John Young wrote:
>> >> Declaring anything terrorist fosters the recruiting brand, ignores
>> >the
>> >> reality of profligate spending on mil-cop-spy phantasms, top
>> >competitora
>> >> for kiddie porn, especially online -- see front page of NYTimes
>today
>> >> about remote-controlled ISIS terrorism via the demon Internet.
>> >Fucking
>> >> A, this list terrorist from Day One.
>> >
>> >Antifa is funded by George Soros.  Declaring it terrorist allows the
>> >FBI 
>> >to go after funders and organizers like Soros and Berkeley
>University.
>> >
>> >At present the FBI has to go after individual antifa who commit 
>> >individual criminal acts, which is like swatting mosquitoes one at a
>> >time.
>> 
>> Give me a fucking break..
>> 
>> With your delusions of King Trump and giving all the "liberal
>lefties"
>> "helicopter rides", not to mention all the other toxic shit you spew,
>> you're fucking 1000x the "terrorist" any antifa that clocks Dick
>> Spencer is, you fucking worm.
>
>Noted - physical abuse is "nothing" compared to ...
>
>wicious words!
>
>
>
>Stop! People are speaking, they must ... STOP! It's terrorism,
>STOP SPEAKING YOU WICIOUS TERRORIST!!

Note that terrorist was put in quotes "terrorist" because the whole thing is a 
mockery. Kinda like calling you a "decent human being". 

But I wouldn't expect you to pick up on such subtleties =)

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[jim bell]

 From: James A. Donald 
On 2/10/2017 2:31 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
>> Hahaha - tell me where to get my check from Daddy Soros. I sure need it.

>Soros directly funds and directly controls the Tides foundation.

>The Tides foundation directly funds The Alliance for Global Justice

>The Alliance for Global Justice gave fifty thousand dollars “Refuse 
Fascism” which staged the riot at Berkeley.
When the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) protests were occurring, I noticed that the 
whole thing looked coordinated and 'staged'.   There was media commentary that 
suggested that George Soros was funding it behind the scenes.  But, I also 
noticed that a lot of their activity was arguably criminal, although usually 
just at misdemeanor-levels. (I'm not suggesting that mere protests were 
criminal, BTW.)
 Obviously, Obama's administration was not going to prosecute these things; nor 
would any large city that was run by Democrats.  But my understanding is that a 
conspiracy to commit a misdemeanor can be a felony, depending on the State or 
Federal laws involved.  
Therefore, a repeat performance of OWS-behavior might draw the attention of the 
Federal "Justice Department".  Similarly, Berkeley-level riots might also 
provoke a reaction.  
           Jim Bell



   

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 09:33:11PM -0500, John Newman wrote:
> On February 9, 2017 8:18:51 PM EST, "James A. Donald"  
> wrote:
> >On 2/6/2017 12:21 AM, John Young wrote:
> >> Declaring anything terrorist fosters the recruiting brand, ignores
> >the
> >> reality of profligate spending on mil-cop-spy phantasms, top
> >competitora
> >> for kiddie porn, especially online -- see front page of NYTimes today
> >> about remote-controlled ISIS terrorism via the demon Internet.
> >Fucking
> >> A, this list terrorist from Day One.
> >
> >Antifa is funded by George Soros.  Declaring it terrorist allows the
> >FBI 
> >to go after funders and organizers like Soros and Berkeley University.
> >
> >At present the FBI has to go after individual antifa who commit 
> >individual criminal acts, which is like swatting mosquitoes one at a
> >time.
> 
> Give me a fucking break..
> 
> With your delusions of King Trump and giving all the "liberal lefties"
> "helicopter rides", not to mention all the other toxic shit you spew,
> you're fucking 1000x the "terrorist" any antifa that clocks Dick
> Spencer is, you fucking worm.

Noted - physical abuse is "nothing" compared to ...

wicious words!



Stop! People are speaking, they must ... STOP! It's terrorism,
STOP SPEAKING YOU WICIOUS TERRORIST!!

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[James A. Donald]

On 2/10/2017 2:31 PM, Marina Brown wrote:

Hahaha - tell me where to get my check from Daddy Soros. I sure need it.


Soros directly funds and directly controls the Tides foundation.

The Tides foundation directly funds The Alliance for Global Justice

The Alliance for Global Justice gave fifty thousand dollars “Refuse 
Fascism” which staged the riot at Berkeley.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/09/2017 08:31 PM, Marina Brown wrote:
> On 02/09/2017 08:18 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
>> On 2/6/2017 12:21 AM, John Young wrote:
>>> Declaring anything terrorist fosters the recruiting brand, ignores the
>>> reality of profligate spending on mil-cop-spy phantasms, top competitora
>>> for kiddie porn, especially online -- see front page of NYTimes today
>>> about remote-controlled ISIS terrorism via the demon Internet. Fucking
>>> A, this list terrorist from Day One.
>> Antifa is funded by George Soros.  Declaring it terrorist allows the FBI
>> to go after funders and organizers like Soros and Berkeley University.
>>
>> At present the FBI has to go after individual antifa who commit
>> individual criminal acts, which is like swatting mosquitoes one at a time.
>>
>>
> Hahaha - tell me where to get my check from Daddy Soros. I sure need it.
>


Funny... That's kind of what I say when someone tells me all Jews are
rich bankers.

(At least Juan gets the 'joo' part right)

Rr

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Marina Brown]

On 02/09/2017 08:18 PM, James A. Donald wrote:
> On 2/6/2017 12:21 AM, John Young wrote:
>> Declaring anything terrorist fosters the recruiting brand, ignores the
>> reality of profligate spending on mil-cop-spy phantasms, top competitora
>> for kiddie porn, especially online -- see front page of NYTimes today
>> about remote-controlled ISIS terrorism via the demon Internet. Fucking
>> A, this list terrorist from Day One.
> 
> Antifa is funded by George Soros.  Declaring it terrorist allows the FBI
> to go after funders and organizers like Soros and Berkeley University.
> 
> At present the FBI has to go after individual antifa who commit
> individual criminal acts, which is like swatting mosquitoes one at a time.
> 
> 

Hahaha - tell me where to get my check from Daddy Soros. I sure need it.



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Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[John Newman]

On February 9, 2017 8:18:51 PM EST, "James A. Donald"  
wrote:
>On 2/6/2017 12:21 AM, John Young wrote:
>> Declaring anything terrorist fosters the recruiting brand, ignores
>the
>> reality of profligate spending on mil-cop-spy phantasms, top
>competitora
>> for kiddie porn, especially online -- see front page of NYTimes today
>> about remote-controlled ISIS terrorism via the demon Internet.
>Fucking
>> A, this list terrorist from Day One.
>
>Antifa is funded by George Soros.  Declaring it terrorist allows the
>FBI 
>to go after funders and organizers like Soros and Berkeley University.
>
>At present the FBI has to go after individual antifa who commit 
>individual criminal acts, which is like swatting mosquitoes one at a
>time.

Give me a fucking break..

With your delusions of King Trump and giving all the "liberal lefties" 
"helicopter rides", not to mention all the other toxic shit you spew, you're 
fucking 1000x the "terrorist" any antifa that clocks Dick Spencer is, you 
fucking worm.

Fuck the FBI and double-fuck you =)

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/09/2017 05:18 PM, !@#$$%^&*()_ wrote:

>
> Antifa is funded by George Soros.  Declaring it terrorist allows the
> FBI to go after funders and organizers like Soros and Berkeley
> University.
>

Hey stupid. Antifa isn't an organization. It's a moniker (I know that
has a lot of syllables but...) that applies to INDIVIDUALS who are
ANTIFAcists. There are already laws that apply to individuals who commit
'crimes' like thugging Nazis. If you THREATEN them, you MIGHT be
terrorizing, which is why sucker-punching them is the way to go.

And again, the Berkeley Police shut down that talk at UCB. Maybe Trump
should de-fund the BPD.

Rr

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[James A. Donald]

On 2/6/2017 12:21 AM, John Young wrote:

Declaring anything terrorist fosters the recruiting brand, ignores the
reality of profligate spending on mil-cop-spy phantasms, top competitora
for kiddie porn, especially online -- see front page of NYTimes today
about remote-controlled ISIS terrorism via the demon Internet. Fucking
A, this list terrorist from Day One.


Antifa is funded by George Soros.  Declaring it terrorist allows the FBI 
to go after funders and organizers like Soros and Berkeley University.


At present the FBI has to go after individual antifa who commit 
individual criminal acts, which is like swatting mosquitoes one at a time.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[jim bell]

 From: Razer 
 On 02/05/2017 01:21 PM, jim bell wrote:
  
>>If your working definition (or, at least example) of a "fascist" is a person 
>>who wants to completely shut down the Internet, I doubt whether >>this 
>>collection of people exceeds more than 1% of America's population. 
 >What your failing to acknowledge. Intentionally AFAICT because you're an 
 >alt-right Nazi at heart playing "Libertarian, is they want to shut it down 
 >for anyone BUT that one percent.
I am not especially concerned with what people "want"...if they do nothing 
wrong to achieve their wants.  
 
>You want to be part of that one percent... don't you ?
1.  I'd like to be very rich.2.  If I get to be very rich, I would presumably 
be "in that one percent".3.  The entire application of the "1%" meme was phony 
from the beginning.  Generally, in any distribution, there is always a "1%".  
And membership in that group varies from one year to another.
 
>I say we should bid you up on the AP market. Would be fitting if your own 
>nasty bitcoin gambling freaks took you out.
I can think of worse fates.
 
 
>Oh, and about the Right wanting to slaughter protesters while the protesters 
>debate whether punching Nazis is 'ethical' or 'advantageous'
Except that in the 1970 Kent State incident, as I recall there was no criminal 
activity by those protestors.  UC Berkeley, not so little.
 
 
>DETROIT — A county Republican leader in Michigan is under fire for seeming to 
>suggest in his social media posts there should be a Kent State type of 
>crackdown on violent protests like the one that erupted at a university in 
>California last week.

Again, the Kent State incident WASN'T a "crackdown on violent protests".  Note 
that the comment above WASN'T a quote by that "county Republican leader":  It 
was structured as a comment by the writer of that article.  He faked it, 
basically.


 
>But in an interview Sunday with the Detroit Free Press, Dan Adamini, the 
>secretary of the Marquette County Republican Party, said he apologizes, 
>supports peace and was merely trying to prevent further violence and hatred.




Again, no actual quotation by him, just a (mis?)-characterization of what he 
said.


 
>The Marquette resident said that he has received death threats and been 
>harassed by people outraged over his remarks that refer to the 1970 shooting 
>deaths of four students at Kent State University in Ohio by the Ohio National 
>Guard. Nine other students were wounded in what many consider a turning point 
>in public opinion about the Vietnam War.




Still isn't quoting what the "county Republican leader" ACTUALLY said.


 
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/05/gop-leader-apologizes-kent-state/97533372/
 
>Death threats are too good for this motherfucker.
 
>Another Nazi, John McCain, had something truly stoopid to say about Kent State 
>a number of years ago too.
 
 
 
 
 
 

   

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/05/2017 01:21 PM, jim bell wrote:

> If your working definition (or, at least example) of a "fascist" is a
> person who wants to completely shut down the Internet, I doubt whether
> this collection of people exceeds more than 1% of America's population. 


What your failing to acknowledge. Intentionally AFAICT because you're an
alt-right Nazi at heart playing "Libertarian, is they want to shut it
down for anyone BUT that one percent.

You want to be part of that one percent... don't you ?

I say we should bid you up on the AP market. Would be fitting if your
own nasty bitcoin gambling freaks took you out.


Oh, and about the Right wanting to slaughter protesters while the
protesters debate whether punching Nazis is 'ethical' or 'advantageous'

> DETROIT — A county Republican leader in Michigan is under fire for
> seeming to suggest in his social media posts there should be a Kent
> State type of crackdown on violent protests like the one that erupted
> at a university in California last week.
>
> But in an interview Sunday with the Detroit Free Press, Dan Adamini,
> the secretary of the Marquette County Republican Party, said he
> apologizes, supports peace and was merely trying to prevent further
> violence and hatred.
>
> The Marquette resident said that he has received death threats and
> been harassed by people outraged over his remarks that refer to the
> 1970 shooting deaths of four students at Kent State University in Ohio
> by the Ohio National Guard. Nine other students were wounded in what
> many consider a turning point in public opinion about the Vietnam War.
>
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/05/gop-leader-apologizes-kent-state/97533372/

Death threats are too good for this motherfucker.

Another Nazi, John McCain, had something truly stoopid to say about Kent
State a number of years ago too.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 09:21:59PM +, jim bell wrote:
> 
> 
>  From: Razer 
> 
>  On 02/05/2017 12:07 PM, jim bell wrote:
>   
>   
>  I think Razer, who was completely unwilling to define the difference 
> between a mere conservative, and a "fascist", is displaying the same kind of 
> obscure inconsistency in meaning.   
>                Jim Bell 
> 
> >Whatever jackass. While the left or so-called left debates the ethics of 
> >Nazi punching the Right is cheering the potential legalization of killing 
> >protesters who block roads. GO FUCK YOURSELF. You're just more proof to the 
> >world Libertarians are fascists.
>  
>  >I'll write this down ONE MORE TIME DUPLICATING THE RECORD because you're 
> too fucking STUPID to look it up;
>  
> >Fascism cannot be conservative, using "American Tradition" as a benchmark,  
> >because conservatives understand that some things, such as the internet, did 
> >not exist at the time the US founders wrote the constitution and they MAKE 
> >ALLOWANCE FOR MODERNIZATION in the documents and laws regarding it.
>
> First, I did a search of my mailbox for "Fascism cannot be
> conservative", which presumably would find any prior CP comments that
> you made containing this.  I found nothing.  I then did a search for
> "Fascism cannot", and I still found nothing.  You claim you are
> "duplicating the record".  I don't see that.

Indubitably nonduplicability alert.

(Aka, bong alert.)

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 12:23:57PM -0800, Razer wrote:
> On 02/05/2017 12:07 PM, jim bell wrote:
> 
> >
> > I think Razer, who was completely unwilling to define the difference
> > between a mere conservative, and a "fascist", is displaying the same
> > kind of obscure inconsistency in meaning.  
> >
> >  Jim Bell
> >
> 
> 
> Whatever jackass. While the left or so-called left debates the ethics of
> Nazi punching the Right is cheering the potential legalization of
> killing protesters who block roads. GO FUCK YOURSELF. You're just more
> proof to the world Libertarians are fascists.
> 
> I'll write this down ONE MORE TIME DUPLICATING THE RECORD because you're
> too fucking STUPID to look it up;
> 
> Fascism cannot be conservative, using "American Tradition" as a
> benchmark,  because conservatives understand that some things, such as
> the internet, did not exist at the time the US founders wrote the
> constitution and they MAKE ALLOWANCE FOR MODERNIZATION in the documents
> and laws regarding it.
> 
> Fascism and it's idea of TRADITIONALISM would eliminate the internet
> because it 'interferes' with those documents.

Lame non-answer.

And more importantly a false dichotomy to boot - you gotta need for
a lotta dichotolobotomi Razer.

Getting old? ... or too many bongs in your last 5 decades?


> Now fuck off to 160 meters where brain dead morons like you can feel
> free to infest the bands and no one will listen except other brain dead
> morons.
> 
> Rr
> 
> 
> 

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/05/2017 01:21 PM, jim bell wrote:
> First, I did a search of my mailbox for "Fascism cannot be
> conservative", which presumably would find any prior CP comments that
> you made containing this.  I found nothing.  I then did a search for
> "Fascism cannot", and I still found nothing.  You claim you are
> "duplicating the record".  I don't see that.


I said DUPLICATING. NOT BOILERPLATING.

It's there. My mail expunges after a few day because of all the
shitposting on this list but what I wrote is damn near verbatim.

Now fuck off.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[jim bell]

 From: Razer 

 On 02/05/2017 12:07 PM, jim bell wrote:
  
  
 I think Razer, who was completely unwilling to define the difference 
between a mere conservative, and a "fascist", is displaying the same kind of 
obscure inconsistency in meaning.   
               Jim Bell 

>Whatever jackass. While the left or so-called left debates the ethics of Nazi 
>punching the Right is cheering the potential legalization of killing 
>protesters who block roads. GO FUCK YOURSELF. You're just more proof to the 
>world Libertarians are fascists.
 
 >I'll write this down ONE MORE TIME DUPLICATING THE RECORD because you're too 
 >fucking STUPID to look it up;
 
>Fascism cannot be conservative, using "American Tradition" as a benchmark,  
>because conservatives understand that some things, such as the internet, did 
>not exist at the time the US founders wrote the constitution and they MAKE 
>ALLOWANCE FOR MODERNIZATION in the documents and laws regarding it.
First, I did a search of my mailbox for "Fascism cannot be conservative", which 
presumably would find any prior CP comments that you made containing this.  I 
found nothing.  I then did a search for "Fascism cannot", and I still found 
nothing.  You claim you are "duplicating the record".  I don't see that.
 
"Fascism and it's idea of TRADITIONALISM would eliminate the internet because 
it 'interferes' with those documents.

Sorry, but this sounds like a wacky assertion.  A broad cross-section of the 
public in virtually every country supports the use of computer and networking 
technology, even extremists in all areas of political thought.  Indeed, a few 
years ago I read an article which explained that religions and churches were 
early adopters of the Internet, a fact which would not automatically be 
expected.
So, I think you are misusing and misrepresenting the idea of "traditionalism" 
and how it would apply to the use of technology.
Further, historically the application of the US Constitution to the First 
Amendment  (which literally only referred to  "speech" and "the [printing]  
press", the only forms of communication that existed in 1789)  has been 
smoothly been expanded to include the telegraph, the telephone, radio, 
television, fax, the Internet and email, texting.  I am not aware of any 
substantial minority of people who:
1.   Believe that the First Amendment doesn't cover those newer methods.        
 Or even more extremely,2.   Believe that such newer methods of communication 
should be shut down.
If your working definition (or, at least example) of a "fascist" is a person 
who wants to completely shut down the Internet, I doubt whether this collection 
of people exceeds more than 1% of America's population.  And I suspect that 
such a tiny minority would contain people from all parts of a political 
spectrum, not merely people you would refer to as "fascists".
Try again.

                    Jim Bell   

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Razer]

On 02/05/2017 12:07 PM, jim bell wrote:

>
> I think Razer, who was completely unwilling to define the difference
> between a mere conservative, and a "fascist", is displaying the same
> kind of obscure inconsistency in meaning.  
>
>  Jim Bell
>


Whatever jackass. While the left or so-called left debates the ethics of
Nazi punching the Right is cheering the potential legalization of
killing protesters who block roads. GO FUCK YOURSELF. You're just more
proof to the world Libertarians are fascists.

I'll write this down ONE MORE TIME DUPLICATING THE RECORD because you're
too fucking STUPID to look it up;

Fascism cannot be conservative, using "American Tradition" as a
benchmark,  because conservatives understand that some things, such as
the internet, did not exist at the time the US founders wrote the
constitution and they MAKE ALLOWANCE FOR MODERNIZATION in the documents
and laws regarding it.

Fascism and it's idea of TRADITIONALISM would eliminate the internet
because it 'interferes' with those documents.

Now fuck off to 160 meters where brain dead morons like you can feel
free to infest the bands and no one will listen except other brain dead
morons.

Rr

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[jim bell]

 From: Zenaan Harkness 
>For those so inclined, to sign or to discuss.

>Anyone, from any "country" can "sign" this.

>https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-declare-antifa-a-terrorist-organization
A few days ago, wanting to understand what people REALLY mean when they say, 
"anti-fascist", I read a few articles on Wikipedia.  Apparently, "anti-fascist" 
has become a term-of-art that isn't quite the same meaning as "opposing 
fascism".   For instance, on the article  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Anti-fascism   ×   

"I disagree. There is no such thing as "liberal anti-fascism", the term 
anti-fascism has its roots in the communist movement and only communists can be 
described as anti-fascists. The "fascist" part doesn't really mean fascism in 
the sense understood by westerners, the "anti-fascists" used it to refer to all 
non-communists, for instance the official name of the Berlin Wall was the 
"Anti-Fascist Protection Wall". Also see below for a link to the most recent 
Verfassungsschutzbericht on "anti-fascism". TYRXrus (talk) 22:47, 5 August 2009 
(UTC)"

It's hard to grasp what the "anti-fascists" are actually opposed to.  I think 
they are doing what the quote above suggests, giving "fascism" an extremely 
broad and unrealistic usage:  Anybody they don't like at the moment becomes a 
"fascist".One major motivation in this process is to be able to lump ordinary 
people (primarily conservatives) with various bad examples of "fascists" from 
the past.  In the same way, "Socialists" probably don't want to get lumped in 
with "Communists", but at least they have a different word for their ideas.  

I think Razer, who was completely unwilling to define the difference between a 
mere conservative, and a "fascist", is displaying the same kind of obscure 
inconsistency in meaning.  
             Jim Bell




   

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[John Young]

Declaring anything terrorist fosters the recruiting brand, ignores 
the reality of profligate spending on mil-cop-spy phantasms, top 
competitora for kiddie porn, especially online -- see front page of 
NYTimes today about remote-controlled ISIS terrorism via the demon 
Internet. Fucking A, this list terrorist from Day One.




At 08:20 AM 2/5/2017, you wrote:

For those so inclined, to sign or to discuss.

Anyone, from any "country" can "sign" this.

https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-declare-antifa-a-terrorist-organization

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Feb 06, 2017 at 12:20:37AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> For those so inclined, to sign or to discuss.
> 
> Anyone, from any "country" can "sign" this.
> 
> https://www.change.org/p/president-of-the-united-states-declare-antifa-a-terrorist-organization

Need a reminder? Here's a vid (~65MiB) from the Aussie perspective:
https://www.facebook.com/unitedpatriotsfront/videos/417875301880261/

(latest youtube-dl works)