Re: modest proposal

[juan]

On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 03:15:00 +
Razer  wrote:

> 
> 
> Cecilia Tanaka:
> > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Razer  wrote:
> > 
> > On 02/15/2017 07:26 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote a love note to mirmir:
> >>
> >> J, Rr and Zzz don't like you
> >>
> >>
> >> Strike my name from that. I have no issue with Mirimir.
> >>
> > 
> > ​Sorry, my fault.  When I read your comment "
> > WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving.
> > ​" after J's message about Mirimir, I thought you don't like him.
> 
> 
> I was responding to ?uan'$ screed


go figure. I missed your mental vomit and would have ignored it
if I read it.

Re: modest proposal

[Razer]

Cecilia Tanaka:
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> On 02/15/2017 07:26 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote a love note to mirmir:
>>
>> J, Rr and Zzz don't like you
>>
>>
>> Strike my name from that. I have no issue with Mirimir.
>>
> 
> ​Sorry, my fault.  When I read your comment "
> WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving.
> ​" after J's message about Mirimir, I thought you don't like him.


I was responding to ?uan'$ screed

-- 
RR
"You might want to ask an expert about that - I just fiddlefucked around
with mine until it worked..."

Re: modest proposal

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:58 AM, Razer  wrote:

On 02/15/2017 07:26 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote a love note to mirmir:
>
> J, Rr and Zzz don't like you
>
>
> Strike my name from that. I have no issue with Mirimir.
>

​Sorry, my fault.  When I read your comment "
WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving.
​" after J's message about Mirimir, I thought you don't like him.

I admit I love Mirimir.  I also love you a lot when you are *not* saying I
am a zombie, or a thief of identities, or a bot, or a man with a c0ck
bigger than yours pretending to be a silly girl...​  Sorry, all these
options were f_cking creepy!  :P

PS:  -  Sorry again.  I said I would be quiet, but was just grarpamp smile,
purr and meow a bit, say that would use cat ears while coding and, well, I
couldn't resist to his feline charm, hahaha!!  I'm a dog person, but I
can't resist to cats!  ;)

Re: modest proposal

[juan]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 01:26:30 -0200
Cecilia Tanaka  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> > I run into Rysiek occasionally when I boot up qtox. Don't know if
> > he's still subscribed but he said something to the effect that
> > there's too much trash. 


I'm still waiting for torbot rysiek to comment on the appelbaum
'affair'. I guess he's too embarrased haha. Or perhaps the tor
project stopped paying him. Or something.

Re: modest proposal

[Razer]

On 02/15/2017 07:26 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote a love note to mirmir:
> J, Rr and Zzz don't like you

Strike my name from that. I have no issue with Mirimir.
Just because I disagree occasionally has nothing to do with like/dislike.

I don't like:

A> Fascists who call themselves "AltRight","Libertarian" (most US
libertarians are fascism-oriented Republicans), or for that matter any
'flavor' of Fascist.

B> Trolls who troll for the sake of trolling without adding SOME content
to the discussion. IOW, disrupters.

Mirimir is in neither of those categories.

Rr

Re: modest proposal

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Razer  wrote:

> I run into Rysiek occasionally when I boot up qtox. Don't know if he's
> still subscribed but he said something to the effect that there's too much
> trash. FWIW, he didn't seem to be castigating me about it like some of the
> posters here who only seem to 'post to troll'.
>
​I love Rysiek  - and his gorgeous hair! -  and miss him. ​

​Unfortunately, he is very allergic to trolls.  Meh, I need to keep some
distance!  :(

Three years ago, more or less, I was lurking here and read a very dramatic
and long discussion about top-posting.  I felt very uncomfortable.​  I
would be kicked if I had dared to tell in public that top-posting is
adopted as usual pattern of posting in South and Latin America, Italy and
in several African countries  (already received several messages from
France and Japan using it as pattern too),  so I wrote in private to Rysiek
to ask if a mere way of posting was so important to justify all that noise
and drama.
He was very kind and gentle, and patiently explained the reasons to
​avoid​
 top-posting
​​
.
​  I always liked his messages and projects​.  He's a good person and have
cute friends too!  <3

I will return to my comfortable lurking, guys and girls.  It's the best way
to contribute to this list for now.  I am not a good coder  (I'm ridiculous
and my notebooks are worse than me!)  and seems I am attracting more
trolls.  I don't care about trolls and most of them are fake accounts
managed by the same lozzzer, but they are disturbing this list and
censoring legit manifestations, adopting "My way or No way" rules.  And
even worse, he's annoying people that I appreciate a lot...  I don't feel
secure to share some invitations and news about investigative journalism
here anymore because he and similar trolls will disturb good teams and
serious works.  I need to protect these people, not expose them to
intellectually and morally limited losers and jerks.  :(

Well, I will pretend to be dead for some days or I will need to waste my
time asking favors to Australian lawyers.  Criminals are criminals, and
most of them are real losers, in special when they have a "curious" past.
Growing up in a very dysfunctional family is *not* an excuse for lack of
Ethics and character, Zzz.  Tell us again the lie about your ex-wife,
please.  Say again how you are "saving the world" because  - everybody
knows, hahaha!! -  you are a glorious "Human Rights defender".  It will be
very, very fun...  (
~
​ ​
.
​ ​
^
​)​* wink!

C.

PS for Mirimir:  -
You know I love sweet stories with strange time lapses​

​and ​crossed destinies, my dear.  Try to watch that film, it's cute and
the art is very delicate.  Ah, did you watch the last trailler of Ghost In
The Shell?  Thank God, it's much better or I would cry a lot for the poor
anime!  :P

https://youtu.be/tRkb1X9ovI4

J, Rr and Zzz don't like you, but who does care, my dear?  I love you and
my affection is more useful and interesting than their bad feelings.  And
my Vday unexpected gift was a Carnival kit, yay!!!  Now I have a cat ears
headband, face paints, glitter and - tcharan, tcharan! - a powerful sun
block, awww!!!
(* - *)  <3  <3 <3

Visited my doctor today and I am almost 70% healed and liberated for
parties, with few restrictions:  - need to protect daily the damaged skin
with a high SPF to avoid scars
​;  h
ydrate a lot
​;​
​ ​
avoid
​alcohol, cigars, drugs and ​sex with no protection  (WTF?!) ; and eat
bacon once a day  (WTF!!!).  I made a very shitty face and the doctor said
I need "really decent protein sources".  Trolls, trolls everywhere...  (- _
-) grumps!

Re: modest proposal

[Razer]

I run into Rysiek occasionally when I boot up qtox. Don't know if he's
still subscribed but he said something to the effect that there's too
much trash. FWIW, he didn't seem to be castigating me about it like some
of the posters here who only seem to 'post to troll'.


On 02/15/2017 09:18 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
>
> Several relatively active posters stopped posting in short interval, 

Re: modest proposal

[Georgi Guninski]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 08:55:14AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> I'm tempted to analyze thread topics, membership, posting patterns, etc
> to see where and how the list went to shit. But then, who cares? :(

Several relatively active posters stopped posting in short interval, so
binary search may shed light on this question.

I am tempted to port some elementary AI to counter-trolling-bot.
Very like some trolls here can't resist to discuss their obsessions and
their spam with an understanding "soul". Probably even the emacs doctor
will do.

Re: modest proposal

[Razer]

On 02/15/2017 07:55 AM, Mirimir wrote:

> Back in the day, cypherpunks was about the power of crypto-guaranteed
> privacy to protect freedom and limit government power.

For me Crypto is of interest in relation to 'guaranteed privacy to
protect freedom and limit government power.', but NOT my only interest,
nor is crypto primary. For me, cyber-security (in general) is primary
and crypto is one of the key parts of that 'puzzle'. I forget exactly
how I heard about this list, but it was somewhere on the 'greater
intertubz' which may have brought a number of subscribers ... but I saw
an INCREDIBLE uptick in the amount of (what I consider) garbage posts,
trolling, etc, after io's harassment went public and I suspect much of
the trash that we're now seeing is related to an attempt to suppress, or
divert the list, and make it unusable, due to the majority of people
posting to the list's apparent support for io.

Bullies NEVER stop being bullies until someone puts them in intensive
care you know?

About ist standards et al from a personal perspective. Early on some 
people complained about my posting pullquotes with links, and I
responded "Bandwidth" but relented in a practice I understood was a
global listserv standard. THEN some people started complaining I was
posting full text and then I simply stopped giving a fuck about anyone's
complaints. If anyone doesn't care for them. Don't read them.

Rr

Re: modest proposal

[juan]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 10:01:32 +0200
Georgi Guninski  wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:20:50AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> > How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its
> > use?
> 
> This will just make the list officially 
> alt.alt.alt.cunty.scumbags.politics.and.vulgar.insults 



Georgi, yet another 'subscriber' who doesn't belong here at
all. 

Yet another 'subscriber' who is the poster child for SHEEPLE.
Quite funny since he's quite used to whine about sheeple...like
himself.

Re: modest proposal

[Georgi Guninski]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 11:20:50AM -0700, Mirimir wrote:
> How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?

This will just make the list officially 
alt.alt.alt.cunty.scumbags.politics.and.vulgar.insults 

My counter suggestion is self moderation: this might split the list
making it easier to read.
Make whitelist or blacklist and do not read or reply to anything below
forbidden actor's posting. Close to this works for me.

The expected result is looped trolls with occasional other posts and
some "ontopic" stuff with minor(?) pollutions by trolls.

Limit of new news threads per day makes some sense too.

 From 2016-08 to 2017-02 (the new version of the list) I have about
4.8K emails.
 From 2014-04 to 2016-08 (the old version) I have about 12K emails.

Re: modest proposal

[juan]

rayzer wrote : 

> On 2017-02-14 13:27, juan wrote:
> > Mirimir is yet another asshole hostile to anarchy and is a
> > pentagon propaganda agent (torbot). He should either comply
> > with the list's charter or get lost.
> 
> WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving. 

for the record you are way worse than Mirimir. At least he's
not a castro fan nor does he vomit US military propaganda about
the NYC false flag attack - among a whole lot of other
aberrations that grace your posts here.

Re: modest proposal

[Steve Kinney]

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On 02/14/2017 01:29 PM, Razer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/14/2017 10:20 AM, Mirimir wrote:
>> How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its
>> use?
>> 
> 
> The trolls infesting this list, typically suggesting it's a coders
> or cryptographer's list, seem to have a problem with this list's
> operation. Because they aren't crypto-anarchist, they're
> Cryptofascists who'd like to shape this list by dunning and other
> fascist tactics and strategies, into something more pleasing. To
> them. If it's any indication I see a lot of complaints about the
> lack of 'coders' on the list, from them, and no code being
> presented, by them.

I am shocked - SHOCKED, I TELL YA! - that the list is as relevant,
on-topic, troll-free etc. as it is.  Right now I see a minor youth fad
for "privacy concerns" tied into "anti-government" sentiments out
there in the wild.  I would expect any social climbers in the relevant
echo chambers to do their homework so they can impress their opposite
gender of choice by talking a better game at the keyboard, and
encounter the CPunk Legend there.  If so, scores to hundreds of the
should find the list incidentally in the process of searching the web
for related info and subscribe ten minutes later.

But as far as I can tell that ain't happened.  Much.

Ain't broke.  Don't fix it.

:o)





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Re: modest proposal

[Razer]

On 2017-02-14 13:27, juan wrote:

Mirimir is yet another asshole hostile to anarchy and is a
pentagon propaganda agent (torbot). He should either comply with
the list's charter or get lost.


WELP! There's a contribution worth archiving. ..

Re: modest proposal

[juan]

Mirimir is yet another asshole hostile to anarchy and is a 
pentagon propaganda agent (torbot). He should either comply with
the list's charter or get lost.

Re: modest proposal

[Mirimir]

On 02/14/2017 11:32 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Mirimir  wrote:
> 
>> How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
>>
> 
> ​My love, being part of a "Trolls & Nazists" list would not be fun...  :P​
> 
> 
> ​PS very OT:  -  Didn't find any good translation of this song and my
> Valentine's version is becoming indecently dramatic and full of mistakes,
> Mirimir...  Practical suggestions to avoid crying when I don't know how to
> explain to a person that my love, my memories of them are full of their
> smell, please?  :P
> 
> #  Sparkle (スパークル) - Radwimps
> 
> https://youtu.be/a2GujJZfXpg​

No clue, given that I don't know Japanese :(

But maybe: http://www.lyrical-nonsense.com/lyrics/radwimps/sparkle/

> #  About "Your Name" movie  -  君の名は  ("Kimi no Na wa")...
> 
> https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/your_name_2016/
> 
> Warning!  Lots of spoilers!  =>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Name

It does seem a sweet film :)

Re: modest proposal

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Cecilia Tanaka 
wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Mirimir  wrote:
>
>> How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
>>
>
> ​My love, being part of a "Trolls & Nazists" list would not be fun...  :P​
>
>

​Ouch!
(>.<)*

Donald is trolling the Cryptography​

​list too!  :((


Uff, I am avoiding to share some interesting informations here because I am
afraid stupid people like Zzz disturb good projects.  Trolls are too
selfish and limited to think about something useful for the society, so
decide to annoy those who are working or trying to study and create good
things.  Uff...  :((

Re: modest proposal

[Cecilia Tanaka]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Mirimir  wrote:

> How about we change the name of this list, to better reflect its use?
>

​My love, being part of a "Trolls & Nazists" list would not be fun...  :P​


​PS very OT:  -  Didn't find any good translation of this song and my
Valentine's version is becoming indecently dramatic and full of mistakes,
Mirimir...  Practical suggestions to avoid crying when I don't know how to
explain to a person that my love, my memories of them are full of their
smell, please?  :P

#  Sparkle (スパークル) - Radwimps

https://youtu.be/a2GujJZfXpg​

#  About "Your Name" movie  -  君の名は  ("Kimi no Na wa")...

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/your_name_2016/

Warning!  Lots of spoilers!  =>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Name