Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, James A. Donald wrote: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. Using children to clear minefields has its logic. They are often not heavy enough to trigger

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:19:30PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: fission rate, ie fewer spare neutrons to spoil the fun. Even pure Pu-239, the result of short irradiation, has a problem with premature ejaculation. So use a tritium-boosted fission nuke. Not as hard to do a true fusion

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:11 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 04:57 PM 9/19/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, are not getting screwed over. 1. you don't get religion 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni,

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
t 11:38 PM 9/20/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:11 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni, dig? Actually, UBL's *dad* was a low-caste Yemeni, too. And your point is? That you can be wealthy and still find something of the underdog in you, which you

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 04:57 PM 9/19/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, are not getting screwed over. 1. you don't get religion 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni, dig?

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:07 PM 9/19/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. The yank minutemen were not above taking children as soldiers, any more than Dan'l Boone was

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 11:42 AM 9/20/04 -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote: On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (Remember the Hiroshima bomb was *not* tested, so sure were the scientists. Trinity My understanding (and I am *positive* someone will correct me if I'm wrong) was that there was a shortage of both

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:46 PM 9/19/04 -0700, John Young wrote: Today, even the US uses children in war, 17 being the minimum age to enlist. Others sneak in by lying about their age, some as young as 14. Recruiters look the other way when the kids and their parents lie. Been there, done that. Enlisted in the army at

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Sep 20, 2004 at 08:19:30PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: fission rate, ie fewer spare neutrons to spoil the fun. Even pure Pu-239, the result of short irradiation, has a problem with premature ejaculation. So use a tritium-boosted fission nuke. Not as hard to do a true fusion

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-21 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:12 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: The yank minutemen were not above taking children as soldiers, any more than Dan'l Boone was above taking a 14 year old as a wife. That's more a definition of adult, than anything else. If they're old enough to blee-... Oh, forget it...

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread Tim
John Young wrote: What older soft-gutted guys in all nations like most is the Wagnerian tragedy, the soap opera sturm and drang, of other people's suffering and death for their loose-screw agenda. You demonstrate that point well.

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread Tyler Durden
touchy when the exemptions are a little too obvious. -TD From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:46:27 -0700 James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim wrote... You demonstrate that point well. Hum. Spend a lot of time with binoculars, do we? How much does the FBI pay field ops these days? -TD _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread James A. Donald
James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. John Young No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's army and that of the French, were children. Young

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (Remember the Hiroshima bomb was *not* tested, so sure were the scientists. Trinity My understanding (and I am *positive* someone will correct me if I'm wrong) was that there was a shortage of both fissionable materials and appropriate

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 08:46 PM 9/19/04 -0700, John Young wrote: Today, even the US uses children in war, 17 being the minimum age to enlist. Others sneak in by lying about their age, some as young as 14. Recruiters look the other way when the kids and their parents lie. Been there, done that. Enlisted in the army at

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:11 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 04:57 PM 9/19/04 -0700, James A. Donald wrote: But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, are not getting screwed over. 1. you don't get religion 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni,

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 8:12 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: The yank minutemen were not above taking children as soldiers, any more than Dan'l Boone was above taking a 14 year old as a wife. That's more a definition of adult, than anything else. If they're old enough to blee-... Oh, forget it...

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread Major Variola (ret)
t 11:38 PM 9/20/04 -0400, R. A. Hettinga wrote: At 8:11 PM -0700 9/20/04, Major Variola (ret) wrote: 2. UBL's mom was a low-caste yemeni, dig? Actually, UBL's *dad* was a low-caste Yemeni, too. And your point is? That you can be wealthy and still find something of the underdog in you, which you

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread Tyler Durden
touchy when the exemptions are a little too obvious. -TD From: John Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:46:27 -0700 James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread Tyler Durden
Tim wrote... You demonstrate that point well. Hum. Spend a lot of time with binoculars, do we? How much does the FBI pay field ops these days? -TD _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread James A. Donald
James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. John Young No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's army and that of the French, were children. Young

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-20 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: (Remember the Hiroshima bomb was *not* tested, so sure were the scientists. Trinity My understanding (and I am *positive* someone will correct me if I'm wrong) was that there was a shortage of both fissionable materials and appropriate

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr, have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other people's children - just their own, but their willingness to cause the deaths of their own children is even more frightening than Al Quaeda's antics,

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread James A. Donald
On 19 Sep 2004 at 12:15, Tyler Durden wrote: My running, personal theory is that Muslim fundamentalism (and in general, most fundamentalisms) get going when the locals gain a persistent sense that they're gettin' screwed over, But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:54, Tyler Durden wrote: I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread John Young
Tyler Durden wrote: And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. That is what King George and his redcoats said about the ragtag colonials, American as well as those who suffered the king's abuse into the 20th Centruty.

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- James A. Donald: Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr, have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other people's children - just their own, but their willingness to cause the deaths of their own children is even more frightening than Al Quaeda's antics,

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:54, Tyler Durden wrote: I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 12:15 PM 9/19/04 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote: My running, personal theory is that Muslim fundamentalism (and in general, most fundamentalisms) get going when the locals gain a persistent sense that they're gettin' screwed over, See Crusades, which aint over til the tall buildings fall. and that

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread James A. Donald
On 19 Sep 2004 at 12:15, Tyler Durden wrote: My running, personal theory is that Muslim fundamentalism (and in general, most fundamentalisms) get going when the locals gain a persistent sense that they're gettin' screwed over, But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born with

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread John Young
Tyler Durden wrote: And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. That is what King George and his redcoats said about the ragtag colonials, American as well as those who suffered the king's abuse into the 20th Centruty.

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread John Young
James A. Donald: I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves with children as human shields. No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's army and that of the French, were children. Young boys were taught

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-19 Thread Tyler Durden
A solid post. In this context I'd drill down a bit to the idea of fanaticism... And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very long anywhere, only for about a generation during turbulent times. That is what King George and his redcoats said about the ragtag colonials, American as well as

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread ken
Tyler Durden wrote: Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread Tyler Durden
Hey Hey Hey! I'm not the original quoter there...watch it! -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:01 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread Tyler Durden
PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:45:18 +0100 Tyler Durden wrote: Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread J.A. Terranson
PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:01 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread Tyler Durden
Ken Brown wrote... Prostitution industry? Well, Industry from what I understand is probably too strong a term. These seem to be individual females. And no, they ain't wearin' high heels and hot pants, so what we're talking about is very, very discrete, and sometimes for goods and services as

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread Tyler Durden
Ken Brown wrote... Prostitution industry? Well, Industry from what I understand is probably too strong a term. These seem to be individual females. And no, they ain't wearin' high heels and hot pants, so what we're talking about is very, very discrete, and sometimes for goods and services as

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread ken
Tyler Durden wrote: Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly dominated by fairly sleezy clergy/judges. Like any government, theirs is deteriorating into a mere racket. And if you ask me, fanaticism never lasts very

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread Tyler Durden
PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:45:18 +0100 Tyler Durden wrote: Who, the Iranians? Which ones are fanatics? I'll grant there are some fanatics left in Iran, but Iran seems increasingly

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread J.A. Terranson
PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:01 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-17 Thread Tyler Durden
Hey Hey Hey! I'm not the original quoter there...watch it! -TD From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 15:48:01 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 15 Sep 2004 at 2:38, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Maybe they are playing a different game. They [Iran] couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being showered back with the same kind They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-16 Thread Tyler Durden
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:50:37 -0700 -- On 15 Sep 2004 at 2:38, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Maybe they are playing a different game. They [Iran] couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-16 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-16 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 15 Sep 2004 at 2:38, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Maybe they are playing a different game. They [Iran] couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being showered back with the same kind They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-16 Thread Tyler Durden
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:50:37 -0700 -- On 15 Sep 2004 at 2:38, Thomas Shaddack wrote: Maybe they are playing a different game. They [Iran] couldn't use the eventually produced nukes anyway, without being

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-16 Thread J.A. Terranson
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Tyler Durden wrote: They are fanatics. They expect to get a six pack of virgins. And they will say Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-15 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: How about Iran stating that they're messing with UF6, when Israel[1] is a known pre-emptive bomber of Facilities to the East? That's pretty much tickling the dragon. Maybe they are playing a different game. They couldn't use the eventually

Re: Geopolitical Darwin Awards

2004-09-14 Thread Thomas Shaddack
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004, Major Variola (ret) wrote: How about Iran stating that they're messing with UF6, when Israel[1] is a known pre-emptive bomber of Facilities to the East? That's pretty much tickling the dragon. Maybe they are playing a different game. They couldn't use the eventually