Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-08 Thread Matthias Andree
Am 06.11.19 um 19:33 schrieb François Tissandier: > Well, look at Sony RX100. Sony keeps producing and selling several > generations at the same time, right ? Indeed - the only replaced modules is the RX100-V that got replaced by a RX100-VA. The others (RX100, RX100-II, -III, -IV, -VI, -VII)

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-08 Thread Aurélien Pierre
Hi, filmic RGB works in a native RGB space, while the previous filmic worked in a native Lab space and did the RGB conversion internally. The difference is in the blending and masking options : old filmic had (non-linear) Lab blending parameters, while filmic RGB has (linear) RGB blending

Re: [darktable-user] Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-06 Thread Pascal Obry
Le mercredi 06 novembre 2019 à 20:52 +, Simon a écrit : > > On 6 November 2019 20:27:30 GMT, Pascal Obry wrote: > > Hi Ihor, > > > > > When 3.0 GA is expected to be released? > > > > Sorry what is GA ? > > GA = General Availability. (I.e., out of beta and available to the masses) Ok, so

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-06 Thread Pascal Obry
Hi Ihor, > When 3.0 GA is expected to be released? Sorry what is GA ? > Also, is the project public roadmap available somewhere? There is no roadmap, public or not. The project advance based on developers' proposals. Best wishes, -- Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) The best way

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-06 Thread Ihor Dvoretskyi
Great news, thanks for the update. When 3.0 GA is expected to be released? Also, is the project public roadmap available somewhere? Thanks On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 7:45 PM Pascal Obry wrote: > > The darktable 3.0.0rc0 release is out. > > The full description and release notes can be found here: >

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-06 Thread François Tissandier
Well, look at Sony RX100. Sony keeps producing and selling several generations at the same time, right ? François Le mer. 6 nov. 2019 à 18:56, Julian Rickards a écrit : > Not quite sure how to interpret "entertaining". I was approaching this > from a different point of view, one that we

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-06 Thread Julian Rickards
Not quite sure how to interpret "entertaining". I was approaching this from a different point of view, one that we take here at my workplace. When a new model of a camera is released (OMD E-M5 Mk III for example), the manufacturer generally doesn't continue to produce any of the previous versions

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-06 Thread Moritz Moeller
On 6.11.19 14:35, Julian Rickards wrote: From my perspective, filmic2 isn't appropriate. I work in the publication services section of an Ontario (Canada) government ministry and when we assign "2" to a publication, "1" is gone and no longer available. That's the most entertaining reasoning

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-06 Thread Julian Rickards
>From my perspective, filmic2 isn't appropriate. I work in the publication services section of an Ontario (Canada) government ministry and when we assign "2" to a publication, "1" is gone and no longer available. If the original filmic is gone from this version, then I would just name the new one

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread jys
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, at 16:03, Heiko Bauke wrote: > PS: What is the preferred place to report issues particularly for the > release candidate? Github might be more suitable, but rc issues might > get lost among other general issues. For something like that, where you know the commit

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Heiko Bauke
Hi, Am 04.11.19 um 18:44 schrieb Pascal Obry: The darktable 3.0.0rc0 release is out. just observed some odd behavior: Resetting all parameters of the local contrast module via the module's reset button yields: * detail 125% * highlights 50% * shadows 50% * midtone range 0.5 resetting the

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Heiko Bauke
Hi, Am 05.11.19 um 23:59 schrieb jys: I think that would cause *endless* confusion... probably better to call the new one 'filmic2' or something. agree, "filmic2" is not bad. Heiko -- -- Number Crunch Blog @ https://www.numbercrunch.de -- Cluster Computing @

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread jys
On Tue, Nov 5, 2019, at 14:29, Heiko Bauke wrote: > * Some modules can not be turned off (e.g. demosaic, output color > profile) and therefore appear always in the active modules tab. The > knob left to the module name of those mandatory modules is always grayed > out as if the modules was

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
Thank you for quick and useful reply. Good night! On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 23:00 +0100, Nicolas Auffray wrote: > > Nicolas, can you fix those two issues I addressed earlier? I just > > copy > > from one of my letters to this mailing list. > > > > > > > > 1. Default dt theme has switched to

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Nicolas Auffray
Nicolas, can you fix those two issues I addressed earlier? I just copy from one of my letters to this mailing list. 1. Default dt theme has switched to sans-serif as default font but #live-sample-data still uses "courier". I believe "monospace" is better choice if aliased font is used in all

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 19:49 +0100, Nicolas Auffray wrote: > ... I'm the author of grey theme... Nicolas, can you fix those two issues I addressed earlier? I just copy from one of my letters to this mailing list. 1. Default dt theme has switched to sans-serif as default font but #live-sample-data

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 22:22 +0100, Nicolas Auffray wrote: Looks like I'm having bad day and have to repeat myself once again. I was talking about default Debian 10 installation. This uses 11 pt size like most distro do. As I said I know that theme is "entirely" CSS adjustable. This is how I fixed

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Nicolas Auffray
Hum, have you read what we have said ? It's also related to dpi rendering, so it is the way that works in GTK (related to font OS size and dpi rendering)... What I just add is how on start em, px, etc. work with CSS. And the new darktable UI is entirely adjustable by CSS (colors, fonts, sizes,

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
I know how it should look like, but it is not the way it works in GTK implementation. Size differs in browsers (they use 16 as base for 1em usually) and GTK. On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 21:45 +0100, Nicolas Auffray wrote: > em size and how it works is not related to GTK but a standard usage > on >

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread parafin
The reason macOS users complain is because it is standard on macOS to not scale anything to screen's DPI. DPI is assumed constant (either 72, or 96, I'm not sure). When I originally ported darktable to macOS I introduced a code that detects actual monitor DPI and applies it, which results in

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Nicolas Auffray
em size and how it works is not related to GTK but a standard usage on screen rendering. So all apps, system should use this standard thing. It's noted for example on CSS standard W3C page : https://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/units.en.html Anyway, it seems as Aurelien precise it, that some

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 20:47 +0100, Aurélien Pierre wrote: > > Real size of 1em is 13.33px on my OS (with default OS font on > > 10 size). If I increase my OS font on 11 size, the size of 1em > > become 14.66. 1em = 1.px, so just the normal > > behaviour. > > Nicolas, strange

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 20:47 +0100, Aurélien Pierre wrote: > Setting font size to 1em should tell GTK to use the default OS font > size, no matter its value. Size doesn't match default OS settings (Debian 10 default installation) on 3 displays I tried (2 low-dpi, 1 high-dpi). Do you have link on

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Aurélien Pierre
Hi, I have a PR waiting with a possible fix : https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/pull/3068 I have tested dt 3.0rc0 on Mac OS (temporary access to a MacBook) and fixed the oversizing with dpi set to 80 too. But I reproduced. Same way, the fonts in tone-equalizer are oversized. But I have

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Nicolas Auffray
Hi Timur, Real size of 1em is 13.33px on my OS (with default OS font on 10 size). If I increase my OS font on 11 size, the size of 1em become 14.66. 1em = 1.px, so just the normal behaviour. Le 05/11/2019 à 19:57, Timur Irikovich Davletshin a écrit : Hi, Nicolas! Don't

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Nicolas Auffray
Anyway, that's not ok as the new UI is now size adjustable (by using CSS, not have anymore hardcoded things and use emphasis sizes on most parts to adjust correctly). It seems to be a MacOS specific issue... Le 05/11/2019 à 18:56, Moritz Moeller a écrit : On 5.11.19 18:42, I wrote: I have

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
Hi, Nicolas! Don't take offense, I'm not yelling :) But can you tell me, what is real size of 1em (used in your theme too) in GTK/Linux and GTK/MacOS? Thanks for your work on themes, btw. Timur. On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 19:49 +0100, Nicolas Auffray wrote: > Many people I know use darktable, even

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Nicolas Auffray
Many people I know use darktable, even on Linux correctly. And I'm the author of grey theme so work a lot on the UI and made many tests on my system. I never had issue you relate, even on my previous 27" full HD screen, my Macbook Pro retina 13" or my new 24" WQHD screen. So that would say

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
Actually I have same issue on Linux too. But I was tired telling Aurelien about font size issues and modified theme to match my needs. On Tue, 2019-11-05 at 19:21 +0100, Moritz Moeller wrote: > On 5.11.19 19:18, Nicolas Auffray wrote: > > Anyway, that's not ok as the new UI is now size adjustable

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Moritz Moeller
On 5.11.19 19:18, Nicolas Auffray wrote: Anyway, that's not ok as the new UI is now size adjustable (by using CSS, not have anymore hardcoded things and use emphasis sizes on most parts to adjust correctly). It seems to be a MacOS specific issue... It's not an issue for me but for a first

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Moritz Moeller
On 5.11.19 18:42, I wrote: I have the crazy oversized UI issue on macOS again. :) Setting the bauhaus/scale in darktablerc doesn't help. Never mind, setting screen_dpi_overwrite to 80 made the UI kinda the right size (except side panels which I had to scale down to 300). .mm

Re: [darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-05 Thread Moritz Moeller
Thanks for the great work, guys! On 4.11.19 18:44, Pascal Obry wrote: The darktable 3.0.0rc0 release is out. [...] > This is the first pre-release, test it and please be sure to report issues you found. I have the crazy oversized UI issue on macOS again. :) Setting the bauhaus/scale in

[darktable-dev] darktable 3.0.0rc0 released

2019-11-04 Thread Pascal Obry
The darktable 3.0.0rc0 release is out. The full description and release notes can be found here: https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.0.0rc0 This is by far one of the best release ever. I understand that I have already said that for 2.6. But the list of