Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-22 Thread Christian Kanzian
Hi, A small comment as ingenious user: Does darktable create XMP files if I only plugin a USB stick? Not that I'm aware of. I need to import the images, or not? I have the impression that darktable is used as a kind of filemanager or imageviewer. If I only want to edit a view images, I always

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-22 Thread Stéphane Gourichon
Le 22/11/2016 à 12:30, Tobias Ellinghaus a écrit : Am Montag, 21. November 2016, 18:19:30 CET schrieb Stéphane Gourichon: What happens if you import your folder, cull the images, give ratings and color labels but never open any in darkroom? You wouldn't have any of that saved in sidecar files eve

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-22 Thread Tobias Ellinghaus
Am Montag, 21. November 2016, 18:19:30 CET schrieb Stéphane Gourichon: [...] > Given the expected semantic of a "changed" tag, it looks efficient, > simple and natural to write something like: > > if ( (no XMP file already exists) && (image has no tag "changed") ) { > skip xmp creation }; > >

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Stéphane Gourichon
Le 21/11/2016 à 18:49, Patrick Shanahan a écrit : * Stéphane Gourichon [11-21-16 12:21]: Also, option write_sidecar_files is not the wished behavior, as XMP files are definitely useful when they contain not only generated information, cf. 8.2. Core options | user manual | darktable

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Stéphane Gourichon
TL;DR: darktable gets better over time, so version-specific defaults have a chance to get better, too, right? Why force *current* defaults even for unedited unexported files? Le 21/11/2016 à 18:47, Roman Lebedev a écrit : If we do not write XMP when doing any export based on raw data (not co

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Stéphane Gourichon [11-21-16 12:21]: > Le 20/11/2016 à 19:24, Tobias Ellinghaus a écrit : > > > > That is not feasible as we rewrite the XMP files all the time. Not just when > > you edit the image in darkroom. > > IMHO this behavior pops up too regularly in discussions. > > > # Context: use

Re: [darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Roman Lebedev
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Stéphane Gourichon wrote: > Le 20/11/2016 à 19:24, Tobias Ellinghaus a écrit : > > > That is not feasible as we rewrite the XMP files all the time. Not just when > you edit the image in darkroom. > > > IMHO this behavior pops up too regularly in discussions. > > >

[darktable-user] Creating XMP file only when makes sense: rationale?

2016-11-21 Thread Stéphane Gourichon
Le 20/11/2016 à 19:24, Tobias Ellinghaus a écrit : That is not feasible as we rewrite the XMP files all the time. Not just when you edit the image in darkroom. IMHO this behavior pops up too regularly in discussions. # Context: user feedback + usual reply This is from memory, I might be wro