Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Terry Pinfold]

My advice is not to fall into the trap of expecting Darktable to be a direct 
Lightroom replacement. I still use LR to catalog and import/sort my images, but 
when it comes to the editing, I just love the depth of control, options and 
masks to be found in Darktable. You must read relevant parts of the manual and 
watch videos including by my fellow Australian Bruce Williams. There are some 
videos very technical videos produced by one of the developers, Aurelien 
Pierre, which would help you understand the unique modules he creates including 
Filmic. Filmic is an alternative to using base curves. Base curves are used to 
imitate the out of camera JPG look that we expect from programs like Lightroom. 
Filmic gives in my opinion a superior result without trying to be an imitation 
of the out of camera look. It reminds me more of an analog film look.

Take home message is that darktable is really worth the effort to learn. It is 
my favourite editing program.



From: Bruce Williams 
Sent: Saturday, 10 April 2021 8:50 PM
To: darktable-user 
Subject: Fwd: [darktable-user] Newbie

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From: Archie Macintosh mailto:archie...@gmx.co.uk>>
Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Newbie
To: Leong KT mailto:ktb...@gmail.com>>
Cc: Archie Macintosh mailto:archie...@gmx.co.uk>>, 
Monsieur N mailto:monsieu...@posteo.net>>, 
darktable-user 
mailto:darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>>


There's a comprehesive manual here:
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

(Though it can be a bit 'technical' till you get used to the concepts.


And there's an excellent series of videos by Bruce Williams, who
really knows how to make short training videos, here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/audio2u/videos

Take your time, and try things out for yourself.

Enjoy!

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:39, Leong KT 
mailto:ktb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Is my face red!
>
> I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I guess 
> I shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight forward 
> like Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.
>
> For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Ka Tai
>
>
>
>
> > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh 
> > mailto:archie...@gmx.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> > The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
> > packages up to and including Catalina.
> >
> > My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I 
> > have no hesitation in recommending it to you.
> >
> > Download the .dmg here:
> > https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT 
> > mailto:ktb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a Mac 
> > version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. 
> > Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of 
> > command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it 
> > step by step.
> >
> > On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 
> > does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few 
> > weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable 
> > works for X100V.
> >
> > This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> >
> > Ka Tai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N 
> > > mailto:monsieu...@posteo.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Welcome to you !
> > >
> > > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > >
> > > N
> > >
> > > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> > >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It 
> > >> works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and 
> > >> have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is 
> > >> like going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 
> > >> 35mm lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> > >>
> > >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to 
> > >> get the update.
> > >>
> > >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw 
> > >> 

Re: [darktable-user] News about darktable 3.6

[I. Ivanov]

Oh my

This is beyond huge - I'd say it is the most humongous fish I've seen in 
ages!


Especially when I am catching up with emails way after April 1st.

Good one Pascal! I will remember this for years to come!

Regards,

B



On 4/10/21 14:12, Jean-Luc CECCOLI wrote:

Message du 10/04/21 22:21
De : "I. Ivanov"
A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
Copie à :
Objet : Re: [darktable-user] News about darktable 3.6

What happens if older images were processed with such modules? Does it
mean we cannot re export the images as originally processed (because the
modules are gone)?

Regards,

B

On 4/1/21 07:49, Pascal Obry wrote:

The good news is darktable binary is now half the size of previous
release. Thanks to the removal of most superfluous modules that almost
nobody uses like velvia, tone curves, liquify... The GUI is now lighter
than ever.

Not the last to get caught by this huge fish, I'm afraid. (sigh).

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Re: [darktable-user] News about darktable 3.6

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

> Message du 10/04/21 22:21
> De : "I. Ivanov" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] News about darktable 3.6
> 
> What happens if older images were processed with such modules? Does it 
> mean we cannot re export the images as originally processed (because the 
> modules are gone)?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> B
> 
> On 4/1/21 07:49, Pascal Obry wrote:
> > The good news is darktable binary is now half the size of previous
> > release. Thanks to the removal of most superfluous modules that almost
> > nobody uses like velvia, tone curves, liquify... The GUI is now lighter
> > than ever.

Not the last to get caught by this huge fish, I'm afraid. (sigh).

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Re: [darktable-user] News about darktable 3.6

[I. Ivanov]

What happens if older images were processed with such modules? Does it 
mean we cannot re export the images as originally processed (because the 
modules are gone)?


Regards,

B

On 4/1/21 07:49, Pascal Obry wrote:

The good news is darktable binary is now half the size of previous
release. Thanks to the removal of most superfluous modules that almost
nobody uses like velvia, tone curves, liquify... The GUI is now lighter
than ever.


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Re: [darktable-user] "selected image(s) - move..." doesn't move !?

[Ralf M.]

Thanks for testing.
Today I had some time to figure out why it works for you but not for me.

"darktable -d all" didn't tell me anything (no debug messages at all).

Trying out all sorts of combinations I finally found:

  Move doesn't move on Windows if
  a) the destination directory is on a different drive
   AND
  b) the image file has the readonly attribute set.

dt moves non-ro-images from one drive to another, and moves ro-images 
within one drive, but the combination doesn't work: The image file is 
copied to the destination, but the original and the sidecar file stay in 
the source directory.


It's strange as the Windows Explorer happily moves ro-files from one 
drive to another without even asking for confirmation.


I got what I wanted by temporarily removing the readonly attribute.

Maybe this information is helpful to others.

Best regards,
Ralf M.

Am 06.04.2021 um 00:31 schrieb Terry Pinfold:
I am using Windows build 3.4.1.1 and the function of move worked fine 
for me when I just tested it.


On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 06:33, Guillermo Rozas > wrote:


Am I doing anything wrong?
What is the correct procedure to achieve what I expected move to do?


I'm using dt 3.4.1.1 on Windows.
The images to be moved are TIFFs (film scans).
Source and destination directory are on different volumes, i.e.
the move
means in reality copy and delete source.


You're doing it right, and I just tested it on Linux and it works
correctly.  Maybe a Windows-related bug, but I can't confirm it as I
don't have a darktable installation on Windows.

Best regards,
Guillermo


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Fwd: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Bruce Williams]

Thanks for the plugs, Martin and Archie! :)
Cheers,
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From: Archie Macintosh 
Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Newbie
To: Leong KT 
Cc: Archie Macintosh , Monsieur N <
monsieu...@posteo.net>, darktable-user 


There's a comprehesive manual here:
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

(Though it can be a bit 'technical' till you get used to the concepts.


And there's an excellent series of videos by Bruce Williams, who
really knows how to make short training videos, here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/audio2u/videos

Take your time, and try things out for yourself.

Enjoy!

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:39, Leong KT  wrote:
>
> Is my face red!
>
> I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I
guess I shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight
forward like Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.
>
> For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Ka Tai
>
>
>
>
> > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:
> >
> > The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the
Mac packages up to and including Catalina.
> >
> > My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So
I have no hesitation in recommending it to you.
> >
> > Download the .dmg here:
> > https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
> > Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a
Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that.
Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of
command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it
step by step.
> >
> > On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because
Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG
convertor a few weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear
that Darktable works for X100V.
> >
> > This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> >
> > Ka Tai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Welcome to you !
> > >
> > > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > >
> > > N
> > >
> > > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> > >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It
works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and
have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like
going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm
lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> > >>
> > >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to
subscribe to get the update.
> > >>
> > >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V
raw files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your help.
> > >>
> > >> Ka
Tai
> > >> darktable user mailing list
> > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >

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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Archie Macintosh]

There's a comprehesive manual here:
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

(Though it can be a bit 'technical' till you get used to the concepts.


And there's an excellent series of videos by Bruce Williams, who
really knows how to make short training videos, here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/audio2u/videos

Take your time, and try things out for yourself.

Enjoy!

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:39, Leong KT  wrote:
>
> Is my face red!
>
> I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I guess 
> I shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight forward 
> like Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.
>
> For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Ka Tai
>
>
>
>
> > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:
> >
> > The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
> > packages up to and including Catalina.
> >
> > My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I 
> > have no hesitation in recommending it to you.
> >
> > Download the .dmg here:
> > https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
> > Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a Mac 
> > version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. 
> > Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of 
> > command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it 
> > step by step.
> >
> > On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 
> > does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few 
> > weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable 
> > works for X100V.
> >
> > This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> >
> > Ka Tai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Welcome to you !
> > >
> > > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > >
> > > N
> > >
> > > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> > >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It 
> > >> works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and 
> > >> have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is 
> > >> like going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 
> > >> 35mm lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> > >>
> > >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to 
> > >> get the update.
> > >>
> > >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw 
> > >> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly 
> > >> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your help.
> > >>
> > >> Ka 
> > >> Tai
> > >> darktable user mailing list
> > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > 
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Martin Anstett]

Hi,

I know this is kind of 90s these days, but it might make sense to take a 
look at the darktable manual to get an understanding on the concepts and 
modules.
And NO, darktable is no plug-in replacement for Adobe Lightroom. It is a 
different program with different concepts, strengths and usage.


--> Manual: https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/

Highly recommended also the tutorials that Bruce Williams makes:
--> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkqe4BYsllmcxo2dsF-rFQw/videos

And: you should consider to get a look at the darktable section of pixls.us:

--> https://discuss.pixls.us/c/software/darktable/19


Cheers, Martin

On 10.04.21 11:39, Leong KT wrote:

Is my face red!

I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I guess I 
shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight forward like 
Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.

For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?

Thank you for your help.

Ka Tai





On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:

The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
packages up to and including Catalina.

My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So 

I have no hesitation in recommending it to you.


Download the .dmg here:
https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos

Enjoy!

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a 
Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it 
step by step.


On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a 

few weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable 
works for X100V.


This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.

Ka Tai





On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:

Hello,

Welcome to you !

Do you use Windows or Linux ?

N

Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It 
works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm 
lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.


But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to get 
the update.

I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw files? 
Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly complicated. Is there 
a simple workaround?

Thank you for your help.

Ka 
Tai
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Colin Adams]

There is a user manual and many beginners guides.

I recommend
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8CZCvZL3ic2hg074Quh2oA/featured

On Sat, 10 Apr 2021 at 10:40, Leong KT  wrote:

> Is my face red!
>
> I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I
> guess I shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight
> forward like Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.
>
> For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Ka Tai
>
>
>
>
> > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:
> >
> > The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the
> Mac packages up to and including Catalina.
> >
> > My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I
> have no hesitation in recommending it to you.
> >
> > Download the .dmg here:
> > https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
> > Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a
> Mac version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that.
> Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of
> command lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it
> step by step.
> >
> > On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom
> 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few
> weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable
> works for X100V.
> >
> > This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> >
> > Ka Tai
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Welcome to you !
> > >
> > > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > >
> > > N
> > >
> > > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> > >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It
> works fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and
> have stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like
> going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm
> lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> > >>
> > >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe
> to get the update.
> > >>
> > >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V
> raw files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly
> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your help.
> > >>
> > >> Ka
> Tai
> > >> darktable user mailing list
> > >> to unsubscribe send a mail to
> > >> darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Newbie

[Leong KT]

Is my face red!

I have downloaded and install it now. And it works with X100V files. I guess I 
shall play with it for a while. It does not seem to be straight forward like 
Lightroom to me, but it is a new concept.

For example, does it keep a catalogue? If so, where is it?

Thank you for your help.

Ka Tai




> On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:18, Archie Macintosh  wrote:
> 
> The Mac package works just fine. I’ve installed dt on MacOS using the Mac 
> packages up to and including Catalina. 
> 
> My current installation of dt using the Mac package is very stable. So I have 
> no hesitation in recommending it to you. 
> 
> Download the .dmg here:
> https://www.darktable.org/install/#macos
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:11, Leong KT  wrote:
> Actually I use Mac, which encourages the user to be idiots. There is a Mac 
> version of Darktable, but I have been advised not to install from that. 
> Instead I need to go through a process which involves quite a bit of command 
> lines. That is why I think it is complicated. I guess I can try it step by 
> step.
> 
> On the other hand, the main reason I want to switch is because Lightroom 6 
> does not support X100V raw files. I have tried Adobe DNG convertor a few 
> weeks ago and it did not work either. I am glad to hear that Darktable works 
> for X100V.
> 
> This is a great group. I shall keep in touch with my progress.
> 
> Ka Tai
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 8 Apr 2021, at 18:22, Monsieur N  wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Welcome to you !
> > 
> > Do you use Windows or Linux ?
> > 
> > N
> > 
> > Le 08/04/2021 à 11:26, Leong KT a écrit :
> >> I am a photographer and have been using Lightroom for many years. It works 
> >> fine for me. But I am really put off by the subscription model and have 
> >> stuck to Lightroom 6. Recently I bought the Fujifilm X100V. It is like 
> >> going back to the days when all I had was a beaten up Leica and a 35mm 
> >> lens. I can concentrate on the photo instead of the equipment.
> >> 
> >> But Lightroom 6 does not support X100V raw files. I have to subscribe to 
> >> get the update.
> >> 
> >> I am thinking of changing over to Darktable. Does it support X100V raw 
> >> files? Also, it seems that installing Darktable seems dauntingly 
> >> complicated. Is there a simple workaround?
> >> 
> >> Thank you for your help.
> >> 
> >> Ka 
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