Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Patrick Shanahan  [11-30-16 10:26]:
> * Roman Lebedev  [11-30-16 07:48]:
> > On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, 12li...@gadz.org <12li...@gadz.org> wrote:
> > > Could be related to
> > > https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/darktable/repository/revisions/4f668bb2aee9b503beef22fa2ca96d13e857fd72
> > > ?
> > Just to follow-up.
> > This did pop up in irc a few times.
> > I do not think this behavior is intentional.
> > This (and sidepanel scroll) need to be re-done after 2.2
> > 
> > > But as a user, it seems unusual to me  that the focus could be lost when I
> > > type something in a text field.
> > >
> > > I see no case in my day to day computer usage where I need to keep the 
> > > mouse
> > > on the text field in order to be able to type and fill the field.
> > >
> > > Consequently I have one question : is this an expected behaviour or maybe 
> > > a
> > > side effect of the above quoted modification ?
>  []
> 
> Maybe a related prob I noticed with 0515110 that after expanding the
> "more modules" menu in darkroom view, the only way to scroll the list is
> with the mouse wheel.  Is this intentional?

Works again w/d9a3289

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Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Roman Lebedev  [11-30-16 07:48]:
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, 12li...@gadz.org <12li...@gadz.org> wrote:
> > Could be related to
> > https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/darktable/repository/revisions/4f668bb2aee9b503beef22fa2ca96d13e857fd72
> > ?
> Just to follow-up.
> This did pop up in irc a few times.
> I do not think this behavior is intentional.
> This (and sidepanel scroll) need to be re-done after 2.2
> 
> > But as a user, it seems unusual to me  that the focus could be lost when I
> > type something in a text field.
> >
> > I see no case in my day to day computer usage where I need to keep the mouse
> > on the text field in order to be able to type and fill the field.
> >
> > Consequently I have one question : is this an expected behaviour or maybe a
> > side effect of the above quoted modification ?
 []

Maybe a related prob I noticed with 0515110 that after expanding the
"more modules" menu in darkroom view, the only way to scroll the list is
with the mouse wheel.  Is this intentional?

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Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[Roman Lebedev]

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 5:01 PM, 12li...@gadz.org <12li...@gadz.org> wrote:
> Could be related to
> https://redmine.darktable.org/projects/darktable/repository/revisions/4f668bb2aee9b503beef22fa2ca96d13e857fd72
> ?
Just to follow-up.
This did pop up in irc a few times.
I do not think this behavior is intentional.
This (and sidepanel scroll) need to be re-done after 2.2

> But as a user, it seems unusual to me  that the focus could be lost when I
> type something in a text field.
>
> I see no case in my day to day computer usage where I need to keep the mouse
> on the text field in order to be able to type and fill the field.
>
> Consequently I have one question : is this an expected behaviour or maybe a
> side effect of the above quoted modification ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Thomas
Roman.

> Le 24 nov. 2016 1:13 PM, "Jean-Luc CECCOLI" <jean-luc.cecc...@wanadoo.fr> a
> écrit :
>>
>> Wow ! I could have been searching for this for a very long time and still
>> not find it !
>>
>> Thanks to all for your help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> J.-Luc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Message du 23/11/16 14:22
>> > De : "thokster" <thoks...@gmail.com>
>> > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
>> > Copie à :
>> > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour
>> >
>> > +1
>> >
>> > Am 23.11.2016, 14:03 Uhr, schrieb 12li...@gadz.org <12li...@gadz.org>:
>> >
>> > > I personnally noticed when setting the size of to be exported JPEG
>> > > that :
>> > > - i was not able to enter the size if the mouse was not on the export
>> > > module frame.
>> > >
>> > > So it seams that effect of keyboard inputs is mouse focus dependant.
>> > > But
>> > > I
>> > > don't know if it is the expected behaviour.
>> > >
>> > > Have you tried to type in your fields with and without the mouse on
>> > > the
>> > > field/module frame ?
>> > >
>> > > (I bet that in the name of your son's friends, there are some "r" and
>> > > that
>> > > your mouse was focused on light-table when you typed the names)
>> > >
>> > > regards,
>> > >
>> > > Thomas
>> > >
>> > > On 22 November 2016 at 21:42, Jean-Luc CECCOLI
>> > > <jean-luc.cecc...@wanadoo.fr>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I think the TAB key problem is not the most important, but I am going
>> > >> to
>> > >> dig deeper to see if I can find something that can help.
>> > >>
>> > >> It just doesn't work the way it ought to : toggle from full screen
>> > >> back
>> > >> to
>> > >> normal view (which, in my case, is all panels visible). I will have a
>> > >> look
>> > >> at the manual to see if this couln't be a miss in the help text still
>> > >> being
>> > >> from an older DT version.
>> > >>
>> > >> What I feel *really* annoying is what happened when I was tagging my
>> > >> photos.
>> > >>
>> > >> Most of them are from schoolmates of my son, so their names are in
>> > >> the
>> > >> database and I just have to click into the field and type the first
>> > >> letters
>> > >> to bring them to focus.
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm not that a fast typer, but using all my fingers allows me to
>> > >> enter
>> > >> text at a relatively continuous rythm, without having to watch at my
>> > >> keyboard.
>> > >>
>> > >> What happened this time : I typed the first letters of a child's name
>> > >> and
>> > >> tagged photos. Then, I selected the name in the field and typed over
>> > >> it
>> > >> so
>> > >> as to overwrite it, but it just didn't work : the previous text kept
>> > >> selected, and I had to re-select it with the mouse in order to
>> > >> overwrite it.
>> > >>
>> > >> After that, I could notice the photos that had been tagged were
>> > >> marked
>> > >> as
>> > >> rejected. I didn't realized then and wondered how it could have
>> > >> happened
>&

Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Well, though I only use few shortcuts, I can't imagine having to change all of 
them just not to experience, for instance, unwanted erasing of a bunch of 
photos.

And, yes, I could check that this happens when the cursor is not active in the 
text field when typing, which is often the case when one selects an entry and 
whish to overwrite it : then, the text is shown as selected but the cursor is 
not active, so any typing will be ignored as text entry - but unfortunately not 
as a shortcut command.

 

> Message du 24/11/16 19:30
> De : "Jean-Pierre Verrue" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour
> 
>
> I also had this problem. It is true that it is very annoying. To get around, 
> I changed the shortcut "reject" from "r" to "ctrl-r"

JP
> 
>
Le 23/11/2016 � 14:19, thokster a �crit�:
>
Hi, 
> 
> I know this behavior very well. It is very annoying, e.g. hundreds of already 
> rated photos were rejected because of a tagging action. 
> Are you sure thats a kind misinterpretation of the keystrokes? 
> 
> I guess it's just very easy to loose focus of the tag/metadata fields in 
> lighttable mode. 
> You just have to move your mouse a little bit and every keystroke will 
> interpreted as a shortcut. 
> 
> regards 
> 
> 
> Am 22.11.2016, 19:55 Uhr, schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI : 
> 
>
Hello, 
> 
> �I had previously been wondering how I could end up with photos marked as 
> rejected without having done anything to. 
> 
> I discovered that sometimes, filling the fields into Metadata editor or 
> Keywords, DT sees them as shortcuts and acts as such. 
> 
> Seeing the screen suddenly full sized, or switch to tethering, aso when just 
> tagging photos is really annoying. 
> 
> Besides this, according to the help-text about TAB shortcut, it ought to 
> switch between full screen and normal view but, in fact, it just doesn't 
> allow to go back to normal view, and I have to use the mouse to re-open the 
> pannels. 
> 
> It finally took to me 30 minutes to achieve a 10 minutes work. 
> 
> I know 2.0.6 will soon be replaced, but I thought it would be important to 
> report this. 
> 
> I will be very carefull when next stable is released, and if it behaves the 
> same I'll report on redmine. 
> 
> �Regards, 
> 
> �J.-Luc 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[Jean-Luc CECCOLI]

Wow ! I could have been searching for this for a very long time and still not 
find it !

Thanks to all for your help.

 

Regards,

 

J.-Luc

 

 

 

 

> Message du 23/11/16 14:22
> De : "thokster" 
> A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour
> 
> +1
> 
> Am 23.11.2016, 14:03 Uhr, schrieb 12li...@gadz.org <12li...@gadz.org>:
> 
> > I personnally noticed when setting the size of to be exported JPEG that :
> > - i was not able to enter the size if the mouse was not on the export
> > module frame.
> >
> > So it seams that effect of keyboard inputs is mouse focus dependant. But 
> > I
> > don't know if it is the expected behaviour.
> >
> > Have you tried to type in your fields with and without the mouse on the
> > field/module frame ?
> >
> > (I bet that in the name of your son's friends, there are some "r" and 
> > that
> > your mouse was focused on light-table when you typed the names)
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> > On 22 November 2016 at 21:42, Jean-Luc CECCOLI 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I think the TAB key problem is not the most important, but I am going to
> >> dig deeper to see if I can find something that can help.
> >>
> >> It just doesn't work the way it ought to : toggle from full screen back 
> >> to
> >> normal view (which, in my case, is all panels visible). I will have a 
> >> look
> >> at the manual to see if this couln't be a miss in the help text still 
> >> being
> >> from an older DT version.
> >>
> >> What I feel *really* annoying is what happened when I was tagging my
> >> photos.
> >>
> >> Most of them are from schoolmates of my son, so their names are in the
> >> database and I just have to click into the field and type the first 
> >> letters
> >> to bring them to focus.
> >>
> >> I'm not that a fast typer, but using all my fingers allows me to enter
> >> text at a relatively continuous rythm, without having to watch at my
> >> keyboard.
> >>
> >> What happened this time : I typed the first letters of a child's name 
> >> and
> >> tagged photos. Then, I selected the name in the field and typed over it 
> >> so
> >> as to overwrite it, but it just didn't work : the previous text kept
> >> selected, and I had to re-select it with the mouse in order to 
> >> overwrite it.
> >>
> >> After that, I could notice the photos that had been tagged were marked 
> >> as
> >> rejected. I didn't realized then and wondered how it could have happened
> >> and un-rejected them with the mouse.
> >>
> >> Then, as I was typing my copyright into the metadata field, I suddenly 
> >> saw
> >> the display going full-screen, then toggling to another view and 
> >> finally to
> >> tethering mode, displaying it couldn't find any camera - but what dit it
> >> expect ? I was just tagging my photos.
> >>
> >> All that in less than 2 seconds.
> >>
> >> It took a few seconds - at least 10 - before it left the tethering mode
> >> and toggled to zoom in with focus display, and then back to full screen
> >> view.
> >>
> >> I can't provide any screenshot.
> >>
> >> However, it is not the first time that I can notice the "rejected files
> >> trick". It already happened many times, but I didn't notice it straight
> >> after and I even thought I had done something wrong by myself.
> >>
> >> I can't remember when I noticed it for the first time - I mean, the
> >> version of DT then -, but I'll be very carefull and heavily test the 
> >> next
> >> release on this point.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> J.-Luc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Message du 22/11/16 20:09
> >> > De : "I. Ivanov" 
> >> > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> >> > Copie � :
> >> > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour
> >>
> >> >
> >> > 2.0.7 is currently stable. I am on ubuntu 16.04 and it is latest 
> >> stable.
> >> >
> >> > I am curious - what exactly keywords did you use to make TAB not
> >> > behaving? I had the same case but I am not sure how I ended up in it. 
> >> I
&

Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[thokster]

Hi,

I know this behavior very well. It is very annoying, e.g. hundreds of  
already rated photos were rejected because of a tagging action.

Are you sure thats a kind misinterpretation of the keystrokes?

I guess it's just very easy to loose focus of the tag/metadata fields in  
lighttable mode.
You just have to move your mouse a little bit and every keystroke will  
interpreted as a shortcut.


regards


Am 22.11.2016, 19:55 Uhr, schrieb Jean-Luc CECCOLI  
:



Hello,

  
I had previously been wondering how I could end up with photos marked as  
rejected without having done anything to.


I discovered that sometimes, filling the fields into Metadata editor or  
Keywords, DT sees them as shortcuts and acts as such.


Seeing the screen suddenly full sized, or switch to tethering, aso when  
just tagging photos is really annoying.


Besides this, according to the help-text about TAB shortcut, it ought to  
switch between full screen and normal view but, in fact, it just doesn't  
allow to go back to normal view, and I have to use the mouse to re-open  
the pannels.


It finally took to me 30 minutes to achieve a 10 minutes work.

I know 2.0.6 will soon be replaced, but I thought it would be important  
to report this.


I will be very carefull when next stable is released, and if it behaves  
the same I'll report on redmine.


  
Regards,


  
J.-Luc



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Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour

[12li...@gadz.org]

I personnally noticed when setting the size of to be exported JPEG that :
- i was not able to enter the size if the mouse was not on the export
module frame.

So it seams that effect of keyboard inputs is mouse focus dependant. But I
don't know if it is the expected behaviour.

Have you tried to type in your fields with and without the mouse on the
field/module frame ?

(I bet that in the name of your son's friends, there are some "r" and that
your mouse was focused on light-table when you typed the names)

regards,

Thomas

On 22 November 2016 at 21:42, Jean-Luc CECCOLI <jean-luc.cecc...@wanadoo.fr>
wrote:

> I think the TAB key problem is not the most important, but I am going to
> dig deeper to see if I can find something that can help.
>
> It just doesn't work the way it ought to : toggle from full screen back to
> normal view (which, in my case, is all panels visible). I will have a look
> at the manual to see if this couln't be a miss in the help text still being
> from an older DT version.
>
> What I feel *really* annoying is what happened when I was tagging my
> photos.
>
> Most of them are from schoolmates of my son, so their names are in the
> database and I just have to click into the field and type the first letters
> to bring them to focus.
>
> I'm not that a fast typer, but using all my fingers allows me to enter
> text at a relatively continuous rythm, without having to watch at my
> keyboard.
>
> What happened this time : I typed the first letters of a child's name and
> tagged photos. Then, I selected the name in the field and typed over it so
> as to overwrite it, but it just didn't work : the previous text kept
> selected, and I had to re-select it with the mouse in order to overwrite it.
>
> After that, I could notice the photos that had been tagged were marked as
> rejected. I didn't realized then and wondered how it could have happened
> and un-rejected them with the mouse.
>
> Then, as I was typing my copyright into the metadata field, I suddenly saw
> the display going full-screen, then toggling to another view and finally to
> tethering mode, displaying it couldn't find any camera - but what dit it
> expect ? I was just tagging my photos.
>
> All that in less than 2 seconds.
>
> It took a few seconds - at least 10 - before it left the tethering mode
> and toggled to zoom in with focus display, and then back to full screen
> view.
>
> I can't provide any screenshot.
>
> However, it is not the first time that I can notice the "rejected files
> trick". It already happened many times, but I didn't notice it straight
> after and I even thought I had done something wrong by myself.
>
> I can't remember when I noticed it for the first time - I mean, the
> version of DT then -, but I'll be very carefull and heavily test the next
> release on this point.
>
>
>
> J.-Luc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Message du 22/11/16 20:09
> > De : "I. Ivanov" <iv3...@gmail.com>
> > A : darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : Re: [darktable-user] Unexpected / weird behaviour
>
> >
> > 2.0.7 is currently stable. I am on ubuntu 16.04 and it is latest stable.
> >
> > I am curious - what exactly keywords did you use to make TAB not
> > behaving? I had the same case but I am not sure how I ended up in it. I
> > was able to get out of the situation by changing more than one elements
> > in the view in LT then restart DT. Can you provide screenshot of your
> > key words that trigger misbehavior?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> > On 2016-11-22 10:55 AM, Jean-Luc CECCOLI wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I had previously been wondering how I could end up with photos marked
> > > as rejected without having done anything to.
> > >
> > > I discovered that sometimes, filling the fields into Metadata editor
> > > or Keywords, DT sees them as shortcuts and acts as such.
> > >
> > > Seeing the screen suddenly full sized, or switch to tethering, aso
> > > when just tagging photos is really annoying.
> > >
> > > Besides this, according to the help-text about TAB shortcut, it ought
> > > to switch between full screen and normal view but, in fact, it just
> > > doesn't allow to go back to normal view, and I have to use the mouse
> > > to re-open the pannels.
> > >
> > > It finally took to me 30 minutes to achieve a 10 minutes work.
> > >
> > > I know 2.0.6 will soon be replaced, but I thought it would be
> > > important to report this.
> > >
> > > I will be very care