Re: [datameet] #savethemap Meeting at CIS tomorrow at 4 to 6pm

[Sajjad Anwar]

Raman - can you try to join now?
https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/datameet.org/savethemap

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Raman Chima  wrote:

> Hangout link wasn't working for me. Could someone add me via
> ramanch...@gmail.com?
>
> On 11 May 2016 at 16:21, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:
>
>> Talking agenda + minutes here:
>> https://datameet.hackpad.com/Agenda-May-11-2016-mAAGmQEbgJp
>>
>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Nisha Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hangout!
>>>
>>> https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/datameet.org/savethemap
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Raman Chima 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hiya,

 I would like to join Nisha. I can only join from around 4:30 to 5:30PM
 though; I unfortunately have other meetings in between.

 I am happy to share what I know on background (take a little bit of
 that former police chap's words with a pinch of salt) and help on next
 steps with respect to policy and advocacy - at least what I can try to help
 with.

 Raman.

 On 10 May 2016 at 19:54, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) <
 vaishnavi.jayaku...@inclusiveindia.info> wrote:

> FYI - Update
>
> MHA open to reviewing of draft Geospatial Bill
> 
>
> *10-May-2016*
>
> *According to the draft ‘The Geospatial Information Regulation Bill
> 2016’, it will be mandatory to take permission from a government authority
> before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or distributing any geospatial
> information on India.*
>
> Even as the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) agreed to review a
> much-criticised draft Bill that proposes jail term of seven years and a
> fine up to Rs. 100 crore for wrongly depicting the map of India, officials
> said the Bill was first drafted in 2012 and the January 2 attack at the
> Pathankot airbase was the immediate trigger for reintroducing the Bill.
>
> Three days after the draft Geospatial Information Regulation Bill,
> 2016 was uploaded on the Home Ministry’s website seeking comments from the
> public, the government on Monday indicated that it was open to review its
> contents and consider all suggestions that are to come in the next one
> month.
>
> The draft Bill has come under scathing criticism on social media and
> other online platforms for its draconian features.
>
> *‘Send valid suggestions’*
>
> Uttarakhand DGP M.A. Ganapathy who was one of the officials to draft
> the Bill during his stint in the MHA, told The Hindu, “instead of getting
> hysterical, people should send valid and sane suggestions to oppose the
> draft Bill. This is at a draft stage and the idea was to invite comments.”
>
> Another official involved in drafting the Bill said, “this Bill has
> been in the works since 2012. A committee of secretaries (CoS) had
> submitted a report calling for an regulatory body to monitor the Internet
> giants like Google and Microsoft. How else do you regulate them, by
> begging?”
> The official added that the investigations in the Pathankot airbase
> attack revealed that the terrorists who got into the airbase had precise
> information about its topography. “The Pathankot airbase and other
> strategic locations are easily available on Google maps and it has become
> easier for terrorists to plan an attack. When Pathankot happened, we
> decided that this was the time to revisit the Bill,” said the official.
>
> According to the draft Bill, it will be mandatory to take permission
> from a government authority before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or
> distributing any geospatial information of India. "No person shall depict,
> disseminate, publish or distribute any wrong or false topographic
> information of India including international boundaries through internet
> platforms or online services or in any electronic or physical form.
> "Whoever acquired any geospatial information of India in contravention
> of the law shall be punished with a fine ranging from Rs 1 crore to Rs 100
> crore and/ or imprisonment for a period upto seven years," according to 
> the
> draft bill. The government also proposed to set up a Security Vetting
> Authority to carry out security vetting of the Geospatial Information of
> India in a time bound manner and as per the regulations framed by an apex
> committee.
>
> However, there have been criticism from various quarters saying the
> provisions of the draft bill are stringent and may violate privacy of
> individuals.
>
> The Home Ministry official discounted the apprehensions saying except
> authorised agencies, that too after due 

Re: [datameet] #savethemap Meeting at CIS tomorrow at 4 to 6pm

[Raman Chima]

Hangout link wasn't working for me. Could someone add me via
ramanch...@gmail.com?

On 11 May 2016 at 16:21, Sajjad Anwar  wrote:

> Talking agenda + minutes here:
> https://datameet.hackpad.com/Agenda-May-11-2016-mAAGmQEbgJp
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Nisha Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> hangout!
>>
>> https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/datameet.org/savethemap
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Raman Chima 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hiya,
>>>
>>> I would like to join Nisha. I can only join from around 4:30 to 5:30PM
>>> though; I unfortunately have other meetings in between.
>>>
>>> I am happy to share what I know on background (take a little bit of that
>>> former police chap's words with a pinch of salt) and help on next steps
>>> with respect to policy and advocacy - at least what I can try to help with.
>>>
>>> Raman.
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2016 at 19:54, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) <
>>> vaishnavi.jayaku...@inclusiveindia.info> wrote:
>>>
 FYI - Update

 MHA open to reviewing of draft Geospatial Bill
 

 *10-May-2016*

 *According to the draft ‘The Geospatial Information Regulation Bill
 2016’, it will be mandatory to take permission from a government authority
 before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or distributing any geospatial
 information on India.*

 Even as the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) agreed to review a
 much-criticised draft Bill that proposes jail term of seven years and a
 fine up to Rs. 100 crore for wrongly depicting the map of India, officials
 said the Bill was first drafted in 2012 and the January 2 attack at the
 Pathankot airbase was the immediate trigger for reintroducing the Bill.

 Three days after the draft Geospatial Information Regulation Bill, 2016
 was uploaded on the Home Ministry’s website seeking comments from the
 public, the government on Monday indicated that it was open to review its
 contents and consider all suggestions that are to come in the next one
 month.

 The draft Bill has come under scathing criticism on social media and
 other online platforms for its draconian features.

 *‘Send valid suggestions’*

 Uttarakhand DGP M.A. Ganapathy who was one of the officials to draft
 the Bill during his stint in the MHA, told The Hindu, “instead of getting
 hysterical, people should send valid and sane suggestions to oppose the
 draft Bill. This is at a draft stage and the idea was to invite comments.”

 Another official involved in drafting the Bill said, “this Bill has
 been in the works since 2012. A committee of secretaries (CoS) had
 submitted a report calling for an regulatory body to monitor the Internet
 giants like Google and Microsoft. How else do you regulate them, by
 begging?”
 The official added that the investigations in the Pathankot airbase
 attack revealed that the terrorists who got into the airbase had precise
 information about its topography. “The Pathankot airbase and other
 strategic locations are easily available on Google maps and it has become
 easier for terrorists to plan an attack. When Pathankot happened, we
 decided that this was the time to revisit the Bill,” said the official.

 According to the draft Bill, it will be mandatory to take permission
 from a government authority before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or
 distributing any geospatial information of India. "No person shall depict,
 disseminate, publish or distribute any wrong or false topographic
 information of India including international boundaries through internet
 platforms or online services or in any electronic or physical form.
 "Whoever acquired any geospatial information of India in contravention
 of the law shall be punished with a fine ranging from Rs 1 crore to Rs 100
 crore and/ or imprisonment for a period upto seven years," according to the
 draft bill. The government also proposed to set up a Security Vetting
 Authority to carry out security vetting of the Geospatial Information of
 India in a time bound manner and as per the regulations framed by an apex
 committee.

 However, there have been criticism from various quarters saying the
 provisions of the draft bill are stringent and may violate privacy of
 individuals.

 The Home Ministry official discounted the apprehensions saying except
 authorised agencies, that too after due permission, no one can invade
 anyone's privacy.

 Geospatial Information means geospatial imagery or data acquired
 through space or aerial platforms such as satellite, aircrafts, airships,
 balloons, unmanned aerial vehicles including value addition or graphical or

Re: [datameet] #savethemap Meeting at CIS tomorrow at 4 to 6pm

[Sajjad Anwar]

Talking agenda + minutes here:
https://datameet.hackpad.com/Agenda-May-11-2016-mAAGmQEbgJp

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Nisha Thompson  wrote:

> hangout!
>
> https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/datameet.org/savethemap
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Raman Chima 
> wrote:
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> I would like to join Nisha. I can only join from around 4:30 to 5:30PM
>> though; I unfortunately have other meetings in between.
>>
>> I am happy to share what I know on background (take a little bit of that
>> former police chap's words with a pinch of salt) and help on next steps
>> with respect to policy and advocacy - at least what I can try to help with.
>>
>> Raman.
>>
>> On 10 May 2016 at 19:54, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) <
>> vaishnavi.jayaku...@inclusiveindia.info> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI - Update
>>>
>>> MHA open to reviewing of draft Geospatial Bill
>>> 
>>>
>>> *10-May-2016*
>>>
>>> *According to the draft ‘The Geospatial Information Regulation Bill
>>> 2016’, it will be mandatory to take permission from a government authority
>>> before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or distributing any geospatial
>>> information on India.*
>>>
>>> Even as the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) agreed to review a
>>> much-criticised draft Bill that proposes jail term of seven years and a
>>> fine up to Rs. 100 crore for wrongly depicting the map of India, officials
>>> said the Bill was first drafted in 2012 and the January 2 attack at the
>>> Pathankot airbase was the immediate trigger for reintroducing the Bill.
>>>
>>> Three days after the draft Geospatial Information Regulation Bill, 2016
>>> was uploaded on the Home Ministry’s website seeking comments from the
>>> public, the government on Monday indicated that it was open to review its
>>> contents and consider all suggestions that are to come in the next one
>>> month.
>>>
>>> The draft Bill has come under scathing criticism on social media and
>>> other online platforms for its draconian features.
>>>
>>> *‘Send valid suggestions’*
>>>
>>> Uttarakhand DGP M.A. Ganapathy who was one of the officials to draft the
>>> Bill during his stint in the MHA, told The Hindu, “instead of getting
>>> hysterical, people should send valid and sane suggestions to oppose the
>>> draft Bill. This is at a draft stage and the idea was to invite comments.”
>>>
>>> Another official involved in drafting the Bill said, “this Bill has been
>>> in the works since 2012. A committee of secretaries (CoS) had submitted a
>>> report calling for an regulatory body to monitor the Internet giants like
>>> Google and Microsoft. How else do you regulate them, by begging?”
>>> The official added that the investigations in the Pathankot airbase
>>> attack revealed that the terrorists who got into the airbase had precise
>>> information about its topography. “The Pathankot airbase and other
>>> strategic locations are easily available on Google maps and it has become
>>> easier for terrorists to plan an attack. When Pathankot happened, we
>>> decided that this was the time to revisit the Bill,” said the official.
>>>
>>> According to the draft Bill, it will be mandatory to take permission
>>> from a government authority before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or
>>> distributing any geospatial information of India. "No person shall depict,
>>> disseminate, publish or distribute any wrong or false topographic
>>> information of India including international boundaries through internet
>>> platforms or online services or in any electronic or physical form.
>>> "Whoever acquired any geospatial information of India in contravention
>>> of the law shall be punished with a fine ranging from Rs 1 crore to Rs 100
>>> crore and/ or imprisonment for a period upto seven years," according to the
>>> draft bill. The government also proposed to set up a Security Vetting
>>> Authority to carry out security vetting of the Geospatial Information of
>>> India in a time bound manner and as per the regulations framed by an apex
>>> committee.
>>>
>>> However, there have been criticism from various quarters saying the
>>> provisions of the draft bill are stringent and may violate privacy of
>>> individuals.
>>>
>>> The Home Ministry official discounted the apprehensions saying except
>>> authorised agencies, that too after due permission, no one can invade
>>> anyone's privacy.
>>>
>>> Geospatial Information means geospatial imagery or data acquired through
>>> space or aerial platforms such as satellite, aircrafts, airships, balloons,
>>> unmanned aerial vehicles including value addition or graphical or digital
>>> data depicting natural or man-made physical features, phenomenon or
>>> boundaries of the earth or any information related thereto including
>>> surveys, charts, maps, terrestrial photos referenced to co-ordinate system
>>> and having 

Re: [datameet] #savethemap Meeting at CIS tomorrow at 4 to 6pm

[Nisha Thompson]

hangout!

https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/datameet.org/savethemap

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Raman Chima  wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I would like to join Nisha. I can only join from around 4:30 to 5:30PM
> though; I unfortunately have other meetings in between.
>
> I am happy to share what I know on background (take a little bit of that
> former police chap's words with a pinch of salt) and help on next steps
> with respect to policy and advocacy - at least what I can try to help with.
>
> Raman.
>
> On 10 May 2016 at 19:54, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) <
> vaishnavi.jayaku...@inclusiveindia.info> wrote:
>
>> FYI - Update
>>
>> MHA open to reviewing of draft Geospatial Bill
>> 
>>
>> *10-May-2016*
>>
>> *According to the draft ‘The Geospatial Information Regulation Bill
>> 2016’, it will be mandatory to take permission from a government authority
>> before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or distributing any geospatial
>> information on India.*
>>
>> Even as the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) agreed to review a
>> much-criticised draft Bill that proposes jail term of seven years and a
>> fine up to Rs. 100 crore for wrongly depicting the map of India, officials
>> said the Bill was first drafted in 2012 and the January 2 attack at the
>> Pathankot airbase was the immediate trigger for reintroducing the Bill.
>>
>> Three days after the draft Geospatial Information Regulation Bill, 2016
>> was uploaded on the Home Ministry’s website seeking comments from the
>> public, the government on Monday indicated that it was open to review its
>> contents and consider all suggestions that are to come in the next one
>> month.
>>
>> The draft Bill has come under scathing criticism on social media and
>> other online platforms for its draconian features.
>>
>> *‘Send valid suggestions’*
>>
>> Uttarakhand DGP M.A. Ganapathy who was one of the officials to draft the
>> Bill during his stint in the MHA, told The Hindu, “instead of getting
>> hysterical, people should send valid and sane suggestions to oppose the
>> draft Bill. This is at a draft stage and the idea was to invite comments.”
>>
>> Another official involved in drafting the Bill said, “this Bill has been
>> in the works since 2012. A committee of secretaries (CoS) had submitted a
>> report calling for an regulatory body to monitor the Internet giants like
>> Google and Microsoft. How else do you regulate them, by begging?”
>> The official added that the investigations in the Pathankot airbase
>> attack revealed that the terrorists who got into the airbase had precise
>> information about its topography. “The Pathankot airbase and other
>> strategic locations are easily available on Google maps and it has become
>> easier for terrorists to plan an attack. When Pathankot happened, we
>> decided that this was the time to revisit the Bill,” said the official.
>>
>> According to the draft Bill, it will be mandatory to take permission from
>> a government authority before acquiring, disseminating, publishing or
>> distributing any geospatial information of India. "No person shall depict,
>> disseminate, publish or distribute any wrong or false topographic
>> information of India including international boundaries through internet
>> platforms or online services or in any electronic or physical form.
>> "Whoever acquired any geospatial information of India in contravention of
>> the law shall be punished with a fine ranging from Rs 1 crore to Rs 100
>> crore and/ or imprisonment for a period upto seven years," according to the
>> draft bill. The government also proposed to set up a Security Vetting
>> Authority to carry out security vetting of the Geospatial Information of
>> India in a time bound manner and as per the regulations framed by an apex
>> committee.
>>
>> However, there have been criticism from various quarters saying the
>> provisions of the draft bill are stringent and may violate privacy of
>> individuals.
>>
>> The Home Ministry official discounted the apprehensions saying except
>> authorised agencies, that too after due permission, no one can invade
>> anyone's privacy.
>>
>> Geospatial Information means geospatial imagery or data acquired through
>> space or aerial platforms such as satellite, aircrafts, airships, balloons,
>> unmanned aerial vehicles including value addition or graphical or digital
>> data depicting natural or man-made physical features, phenomenon or
>> boundaries of the earth or any information related thereto including
>> surveys, charts, maps, terrestrial photos referenced to co-ordinate system
>> and having attributes.
>>
>>
>> http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/map-issue-govt-ready-for-review-of-geospatial-bill/article8576356.ece
>>
>>
>> *Govt may review provisions of draft Geospatial Bill
>> 

[datameet] Help!

[oommen]

Dear Friends,

I have for long been a silent member of this group, benefiting enormously
from the discussions. I now work with ORF, on the implementation of
Sustainable Development Goals in India. We focus on nutrition and health
goals and monitoring of targets is an important component of our work.

We plan to have a public data portal where trends of indicators from NSSO ,
NFHS , CRS/SRS etc around health/nutrition will be provided with the
maximum possible customisation and disaggregation, with the aim of
informing public discussion.  We already have most of the data sets. A
broad prototype (this one doesn't focus on health/nutrition) can be found
here: http://www.indiadatalabs.org/IndiaDatalabs.aspx

Along with this, we also have plans to have constituency-wise tracking of
SDG indicators(data derived from district level data, which will perhaps be
a challenge), resulting in a score-card and discussions around these
issues. In short, it will be a more comprehensive and dynamic portal than
what we have now.

It will be great to have your inputs about the idea, and also on potential
agencies, collectives, individuals with the requisite technical expertise
to take up such a  task.

Thanking you in advance!

Sincerely,

Oommen.





Oommen C. Kurian
Fellow, Public Health

Observer Research Foundation
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