Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Randy Bush via db-wg
> There is an exclude list for the cleanup unreferenced objects job, and > CAAO-RIPE is excluded, so it will never be deleted. > > The DB team maintains this list and will exclude an object on request. please exclude all objects i might wish to look up. in

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi Ed Well maybe we should start by discussing this exclusion list. It's the first I have heard of it. If such a list exists (as it does) then the reasons for exclusion should be defined. Maybe exclusion is also the wrong term, protected is perhaps more appropriate. Who decides if an object

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Hi Will, Denis, > On 28 Jan 2021, at 20:30, Will Scott wrote: > > Can I request that EON11-RIPE be added to the same list? > I have added EON11-RIPE to the exclude list for the cleanup unreferenced object job. > That satisfies my immediate goal as much as the white page, > and the

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Will Scott via db-wg
Can I request that EON11-RIPE be added to the same list? That satisfies my immediate goal as much as the white page, and the visibility of this mailing list thread should be equivalent to that of the previous one in helping the next person who comes along and runs into the edge case of

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Edward Shryane via db-wg
Hi Denis, > On 28 Jan 2021, at 19:37, denis walker wrote: > > Hi Will > > I wasn't aware that the RIPE Atlas system/service had any reliance on > objects in the RIPE Database. Maybe Robert can elaborate more on this? > > There are only 4 PERSON objects in the RIPE Database that reference >

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Hi Will I wasn't aware that the RIPE Atlas system/service had any reliance on objects in the RIPE Database. Maybe Robert can elaborate more on this? There are only 4 PERSON objects in the RIPE Database that reference the Whitepages ORGANISATION object. None of these make any reference in remarks

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Will Scott via db-wg
If the whitepages are removed, what is the recommended path for maintiners of Atlas nodes? The thread at https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2016-November/003091.html suggests that a person/role created in the DB which are used to maintain atlas nodes will be locked and then

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Frank Habicht via db-wg
Hi, On 28/01/2021 13:53, denis walker via db-wg wrote: > I think we should now deprecate this concept. LinkedIn is much more > suited to keeping in touch with networking people. Comments > appreciated... I support the cleanup. Frank PS: what's LinkedIn ? ;-)

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Piotr Strzyzewski via db-wg
On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 11:53:53AM +0100, denis walker via db-wg wrote: Dear Denis, All, > I think we should now deprecate this concept. LinkedIn is much more > suited to keeping in touch with networking people. Comments > appreciated... I support this cleanup. Best regards, -- Piotr

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread scott donald via db-wg
Hi, I agree with this cleanup. Kind regards Scott Donald From: db-wg on behalf of denis walker via db-wg Sent: 28 January 2021 10:53 To: Database WG Subject: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages Colleagues Way back in 2008 it was suggested that the RIPE

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Lu Heng via db-wg
Hi I support the notion. RIR DB should maintain as operation as for operational purpose only. denis walker via db-wg 于2021年1月28日 周四下午6:54写道: > Colleagues > > Way back in 2008 it was suggested that the RIPE Database could be used > for linking people well known within the network operating

Re: [db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread Janos Zsako via db-wg
Dear Working Group, I agree with the deprecation of the "white pages" in the RIPE DB. In fact, I think they never worked as planned/anticipated. The GDPR related considerations make their use even more difficult. Best regards, Janos 2021. 01. 28. 11:53 keltezéssel, denis walker via db-wg

[db-wg] Deprecation of whitepages

2021-01-28 Thread denis walker via db-wg
Colleagues Way back in 2008 it was suggested that the RIPE Database could be used for linking people well known within the network operating industry. The concept of 'whitepages' was introduced. This was an ORGANISATION object (ORG-PAGE1-RIPE) with 'org-type: WHITEPAGES' that could be referenced