Re: [Dbix-class] 5/5 Why "a stability tzar" is a ridiculous proposition

2016-10-12 Thread Matt S Trout
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 02:02:16PM +0100, Colin Newell wrote: > I think it might be worth going back to frew's suggestion of the > Collective Code Construction Contract and think about whether we can > try to adopt the risk management into the general governance of the > project. We all seem to

Re: [Dbix-class] 5/5 Why "a stability tzar" is a ridiculous proposition

2016-10-12 Thread Matt S Trout
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 08:54:47AM +0200, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > * Peter Rabbitson [2016-10-11 17:28]: > > Additionally stability on its own isn't tangible, nor does it yield > > a final product. It is simply a mindset. When this mindset is not > > represented in the

Re: [Dbix-class] 5/5 Why "a stability tzar" is a ridiculous proposition

2016-10-12 Thread Colin Newell
> > Does it need to be a single person? Could it be a team responsibility like > a Toyota-style "Stop the Line" button? I think a community can decide how it > wants to mechanically run a stop process. > > The important thing – if stability is truly important – is making sure that > people with

Re: [Dbix-class] 5/5 Why "a stability tzar" is a ridiculous proposition

2016-10-12 Thread David Golden
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: > The position of a czar is reactive and disempowered. They can only fire- > fight individual issues as the project hurtles forward headlong. > > If you want real security or actual good design, it must be part of the

Re: [Dbix-class] 5/5 Why "a stability tzar" is a ridiculous proposition

2016-10-12 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Peter Rabbitson [2016-10-11 17:28]: > Additionally stability on its own isn't tangible, nor does it yield > a final product. It is simply a mindset. When this mindset is not > represented in the group as a whole, it makes no difference whatsoever > whether a small part of

[Dbix-class] 5/5 Why "a stability tzar" is a ridiculous proposition

2016-10-11 Thread Peter Rabbitson
On 10/07/2016 08:40 PM, David Golden wrote: [...] I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers us out of this mess. Understood. As I've said before, if there are people inside or outside the community that you think could continue to represent the "extreme