Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:31:23AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
 And yes, next year I want a flag for each event (not) to be videoed.

This would be a really reasonable extension for Penta.  If there would
only be some documentation how to report Penta bugs ...

Kind regards

  ANdreas.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30:12AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:31:23AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
 And yes, next year I want a flag for each event (not) to be 
 videoed.

This would be a really reasonable extension for Penta.  If there would 
only be some documentation how to report Penta bugs ...

...or for some alternative tool.  Ana mentioned Penta being too complex 
and too buggy and proposed to switch (albeit that noone responded...)


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Frank Lin PIAT
Hello,

On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 11:55 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 
 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30:12AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:31:23AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
  And yes, next year I want a flag for each event (not) to be 
  videoed.
 
 This would be a really reasonable extension for Penta.  If there would 
 only be some documentation how to report Penta bugs ...
 
 ...or for some alternative tool.  Ana mentioned Penta being too complex 
 and too buggy and proposed to switch (albeit that noone responded...)

me
Despite the fact that the tool may have some bugs (I don't use it enough
to discuss that).
I am really impressed with the feature coverage of Penta. Not having it
would cause an important extra workload for the teams, IMHO (i.e
collecting data, processing and publishing information, etc).
/me

BTW, Kudos to the teams involved in DC.

Franklin

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:23:56PM +0200, Torsten Werner wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Andreas Tilleandr...@an3as.eu wrote:
 This would be a really reasonable extension for Penta.  If there would
 only be some documentation how to report Penta bugs ...

Upstream's bug tracker is http://github.com/nevs/pentabarf/issues
and Debian's bug tracker is https://rt.debian.org/.

Hmm - I suspect you meant https://rt.debconf.org/

No public access?


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Dienstag, 28. Juli 2009, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
 ...or for some alternative tool.  Ana mentioned Penta being too complex
 and too buggy and proposed to switch (albeit that noone responded...)

The proposal lacked an alternative to switch to. Suggesting to switch 
because foo sux without giving alternatives is not really helpful. (It is, 
when it's unknown that there are problems. Which is not the case here, we are 
very aware that penta has issues - we simply didnt find a working alternative 
yet.)

One feature an alternative tool would need to have is the integration of our 
video workflow for releasing archived files.


regards,
Holger



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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Richard Darst
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 02:30:59PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Dienstag, 28. Juli 2009, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
  ...or for some alternative tool.  Ana mentioned Penta being too complex
  and too buggy and proposed to switch (albeit that noone responded...)
 
 The proposal lacked an alternative to switch to. Suggesting to switch 
 because foo sux without giving alternatives is not really helpful. (It is, 
 when it's unknown that there are problems. Which is not the case here, we are 
 very aware that penta has issues - we simply didnt find a working alternative 
 yet.)

I'd like to try to frame this another way:

We could use more people looking at and working penta, or a possible
new conference management system.  I think it's quite possible many
possible volunteers have been shooed away because they think there
work won't come to anything.

One of the main reasons I've heard to consider moving to something
else is so that more people can work on solving problems and adding
new features, and handing off maintainership could be done more
easily.

Of course, getting new penta hackers, perhaps even merging all the
debconf-specific changes to the latest penta version, would negate
this advantage of a completely new system.  In fact, someone in charge
of working out the current problems (for the most part, handling user
and team requests) and adding new features in penta would almost
undoubtedly be better than something new.

So it boils down to what we can do to get new people involved: Penta,
or something new?

Speaking of which, if anyone is interested in helping out here, I will
help to make it happen (connecting you with the right people).  I
don't think I have the time or ability to do it myself, though.

What do you all think?  It seems to me whatever we can most easily
get people to work on is a good compromise.

 One feature an alternative tool would need to have is the integration of our 
 video workflow for releasing archived files.

Yes -- can be solved with someone willing to put forth the effort to
do so...

- Richard

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Torsten Werner
Hi Holger,

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Holger Levsenhol...@layer-acht.org wrote:
 The proposal lacked an alternative to switch to. Suggesting to switch
 because foo sux without giving alternatives is not really helpful.

I am willing to hack again on Pentabarf for Debconf10 (and probably
Debconf11). Please ping me as soon as it is needed.

Cheers,
Torsten
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Torsten,

On Dienstag, 28. Juli 2009, Torsten Werner wrote:
 I am willing to hack again on Pentabarf for Debconf10 (and probably
 Debconf11). 

Great!

 Please ping me as soon as it is needed. 

Ping! Really, rt.debconf.org has quite some penta related bugs and I can 
easily show you more affected the ajax userinterface...


regards,
Holger


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-28 Thread Jimmy Kaplowitz
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:55:04PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
 Hi Torsten,
 
 On Dienstag, 28. Juli 2009, Torsten Werner wrote:
  I am willing to hack again on Pentabarf for Debconf10 (and probably
  Debconf11). 
 
 Great!
 
  Please ping me as soon as it is needed. 
 
 Ping! Really, rt.debconf.org has quite some penta related bugs and I can 
 easily show you more affected the ajax userinterface...

As previously told to Steve Gran, I'm interested in doing this too, and am
already set up with access to cletus as of when it comes back online and gets
reintegrated with ud-ldap. With both Torsten and me working, I hope it can be
much better by the time DC10 registration opens!

- Jimmy Kaplowitz
ji...@debian.org
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] no video coverage during nights

2009-07-27 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sonntag, 26. Juli 2009, Ana Guerrero wrote:
 I think it is pretty clear for everybody that talks scheduled outside the
 official schedule and not in the upper/lower talk won't be recorded.

it's not clear for everyone, yesterday there were videoteam memebers trying to 
capture madducks bof, simple because it was in the schedule and those team 
members werent in the team meeting were we decided to ignore stuff scheduled 
at food times...

And yes, next year I want a flag for each event (not) to be videoed.


regards,
Holger


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