Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-23 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi, please keep sending: https://pad.riseup.net/p/DC19Suggestions-keep -- Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls) Curitiba - Brasil Membro da Comunidade Curitiba Livre Site: http://www.phls.com.br GNU/Linux user: 228719 GPG ID: 0443C450 Apoie a campanha pela igualdade de gênero #HeForShe

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-20 Thread Ulrike Uhlig
Hi! Taowa, thanks for phrasing all these well thought replies I can only fully agree with \ && thanks for your work! Cheers & <3 Ulrike

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-13 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Norbert, On Sat 11 Aug 2018 at 10:10pm +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > All find, don't let the voices of the privacy-maniacs disturb you. > They should stay in their High Castle and never leave. Please don't forget that some people need higher levels of privacy than average in order to

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 05:20:21PM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 08/11/2018 01:15 PM, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > > It's weird to compromise the privacy of all attendees, > > because something bad could happen or someone could commit a crime. > They do the same on aircraft and most

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/11/2018 05:00 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On 08/11/2018 11:44 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> So you're saying that taking care of each other is not important for >> Debian? Got it. > > It would be useful if you stopped coming up with extreme hyperbolic > examples and then accusing

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Taowa
Hello, On 08/11/2018 11:13 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Passports can go missing, like it just happened during DebConf (saw the mail?). Yes, so then it becomes a question of relying on the myriad of other ways someone can be identified. That person likely still has their Driver's

keep passport in locker was Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread shirish शिरीष
Dear all, While I have been reading the interesting thread, while researching for stay, travel etc. for Debconf 16 at many travel sites people mentioned it's much better to leave the passport in a locker/safe etc. at the hotel or wherever you stay rather than on you. This was more from the safety

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 08/11/2018 01:15 PM, Judit Foglszinger wrote: > It's weird to compromise the privacy of all attendees, > because something bad could happen or someone could commit a crime. They do the same on aircraft and most people seem okay with simply because you have to weigh your loss of privacy

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 08/11/2018 05:00 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> It's a matter of liability. If your event surpasses a certain size, you >> will not be able to make sure that everyone who attends is of good will, >> for example. > > Right, and that's completely irrelevant. Responsibility is irrelevant?

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:44:40AM +0200, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 08/11/2018 11:23 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> What happens in case of an emergency then? Aren't organizers of large > >> events of this type required by law to keep lists of real name? > > > > Why would they? > >

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Norbert Preining
> They can. Why do you think they collect photos and fingerprints when > entering the country? >From personal experience *this*year* (different case though, lethal mountaineer), I can tell you it can take weeks to confirm finger prints. And that was in Japan. Norbert -- PREINING Norbert

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Norbert Preining
> If you, as an attendee, are worried about this, I encourage you to carry > your passport around when outside the venue. As a person in a foreign > country, this is generally advised. I am pretty sure that *most* countries *require* foreigners to carry their passport with them. Austria is surely

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Norbert Preining
Hi, > Please, if possible, keep your funding source simple and don't sell data to > the government like we did this time. I disagree with this assessment. You have passed them reasonable data to prove attendance and international participation. Passing on initials and country of origin is not

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread znoteer
Hi Yao Wei, I second what Gunnar has said. Please don't be hard on yourself. -- znoteer znot...@mailbox.org > Le 11 août 2018 à 00:51, Gunnar Wolf a écrit : > > > Yao Wei dijo [Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 09:45:22AM +0800]: > > Hi, > > > > Please, if possible, keep your funding source simple

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Judit Foglszinger
It's weird to compromise the privacy of all attendees, because something bad could happen or someone could commit a crime. Debconf is not known for the high number of criminals among it's attendees, rather the opposite. If data collection and insisting on real names would start because of a

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Taowa
Hello, Once again, when I say "we" I mean that I'm speaking with my DC Registration hat on, but not on behalf of the team. On 08/11/2018 05:44 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Even the police cannot identify a foreigner without passport documents. There have been numerous cases in the

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Thomas Kuiper
On 2018-08-11 17:41, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 08/11/2018 11:03 AM, Thomas Kuiper wrote: >>> What happens in case of an emergency then? Aren't organizers of large >>> events of this type required by law to keep lists of real name? >> It depends on the country but I've never had that

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: >>> Or imagine an attendee commits a felony, you need to be able to >>> identify them as well. >> >> Talk to the police. > > Even the police cannot identify a foreigner without passport documents. They can. Why do you think they collect photos and fingerprints

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 08/11/2018 11:23 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> What happens in case of an emergency then? Aren't organizers of large >> events of this type required by law to keep lists of real name? > > Why would they? It's a matter of liability. If your event surpasses a certain size, you will not be able

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 08/11/2018 11:03 AM, Thomas Kuiper wrote: >> What happens in case of an emergency then? Aren't organizers of large >> events of this type required by law to keep lists of real name? > It depends on the country but I've never had that in Taiwan. > Martial law is over since a long time. > There's

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/11/2018 03:45 AM, Yao Wei wrote: > Hi, > > Please, if possible, keep your funding source simple and don't sell data > to the government like we did this time. > > I feel tremendously sorry handling this issue. > > Yao Wei Hi, You really don't need to. Other people would have just sent

Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-11 Thread Thomas Kuiper
Hi, On 2018-08-11 16:01, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 08/11/2018 09:06 AM, Clayton wrote: >> This was my first DebConf and I chose not to offer my last name on the >> registration, or at any point during the conference, and nobody seemed >> bothered. I believe(?) there were some

Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?

2018-08-05 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hello, Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19? Please write on the pad below (we really need your help): https://pad.riseup.net/p/DC19Suggestions-keep Best regards, -- Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls) Curitiba - Brasil Membro da Comunidade Curitiba Livre Site: http