Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
Hi Shirish, On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:16:33PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote: [...] > As a former bursary team Tiago might be able to share some stats. or > experiences he might want to share. I would like to document the role > of Bursaries team in more detail in > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf/DebConf probably as another page > altogether . I have seen scattered info. about the bursaries team but > not much in concrete terms of stats. and content which can be shared > across the community. I won't comment on the bursary process/stats because these things change over time. As I said, it's just much better to contact the current team instead if one has any question related to it. I appreciate the time you're taking to help a potencial atteendee on this subject, but, for the records, I have to point here that your answer is inaccurate. Either the '50:1' ratio or '550 accepted bursaries in Germany' don't make any sense at all. > I do understand the need to have bursary team members to have privacy > but having the process documented might make it easier for others to > understand what (if anything) can be made better. There's no trick, everything one should know is documented in the website: https://debconf18.debconf.org/about/bursaries/ and in the registration form itself. Again, your help is welcome, but sometimes simply pointing people to those who know the answers is much more valuable than conjecturing. Bests, -- tiago
Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, 13:25 Holger Levsen, wrote: > shirish, > > you are writing 100 lines about a subject you dont know, to a person you > dont know. Doesnt it cross your mind that this behaviour is - at best - > a waste of time? Also: this can be really harmful. Please dont do that. +1 to everything Holger said. -- -- Luke
Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
Dear Shirish, I got every point, that you want to convey. It would be great if you just told me at first msg that it will take around 1 month or more than that. I could have understood it. Please see the subject of the message I wrote. It was an inquiry mail, as it's my first time that I applied for the bursary and so, by eagerness I just wanted to know how much time it takes to review and all. Sorry, if anyhow my msg disrespected someone. I really Apologise for that, I understand and respect every hard work the volunteers are putting to make this event a great success. Now as I got the answer, it takes 1 month and a bit more. I justed wanted to know this. Peace. On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:54 AM, Holger Levsen wrote: > shirish, > > you are writing 100 lines about a subject you dont know, to a person you > dont know. Doesnt it cross your mind that this behaviour is - at best - > a waste of time? Also: this can be really harmful. Please dont do that. > > > -- > cheers, > Holger >
Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
shirish, you are writing 100 lines about a subject you dont know, to a person you dont know. Doesnt it cross your mind that this behaviour is - at best - a waste of time? Also: this can be really harmful. Please dont do that. -- cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
Warning - would be a bit long. Dear Manas, There is nothing to be sorry about as Tiago shared. It is a recurring issue as Tiago pointed out. Also sorry, if my reply came out rude, that was not my intention if it came out that way. It's just the number of applications versus number of people who can go through them. >From what little I was able to glimpse/figure out the applicant/busary team is probably in the range of 50:1 or more which is quite a bit. This is on the basis of couple of years estimate of applications and rough number of people who may have gone through the application. The only outlier I know might be Germany where 550 people were given bursaries. I honestly would like to know how many applications were there and how many people were scrutinizing the applications and how much time it took to complete the process. That probably would have been a nightmarish job. While I suspect that the people who go through bursary applications may be using some of the techniques used by an Embassy official to figure out whether s(he) should give you/me a visa , still it would be quite a bit of work. Unfortunately, the embassy people have much more resources and many ways to get info. about you then the bursary team. And even then you have to wonder why it takes the visa people one month or more to give you a visa or deny (especially when you are paying for it and they are paid quite a bit more than the average person in most establishments.) Add to that the bursary team may ask for clarifications just to make sure that anybody who by mistake didn't complete a form or didn't answer a question/query is asked to make sure that deserving applications are given enough of a chance. ' The only way for bursaries to complete on time in all fairness is if they close about 4 months before the conference or alternately have double or triple the number of people who are able to evaluate bursary requests so attendees have the possibility of getting cheap tickets, get the visa and do whatever formalities needed to be completed. AFAIK, to avoid conflicts of interest situation, if you/I have a bursary request then we cannot evaluate other's requests and that is correct so it often comes down to the pool of people who have the energy, capacity and willingness to shift through lot of content without much obvious to be seen and appreciated over the years. This would be only those people who either - a. are part of the local team. b. have no interest to be part of a Debconf for that specific year and have the time, patience and eyes for doing the job. Also having a series of happy coincidences such as getting sponsors in a month or so and they paying well in time would free up time for other activities, the same could be shared for the other number of things which need to happen before bursaries come in the picture :) I am going to share something which somebody shared in some other context but is probably apt in these conditions - . For you it might be '1' thing that should be done, from the other, you might be the '40'th or even 100th on the list. This we experience everyday in any activity and more so in India where we services are not commensurate to number of people living. I haven't tried to dig how the bursaries team operates but would guess it would take them in the range of a month, month and a half or a bit more to get through the whole process if not more. And as shared , people who are bursaries may have other responsibilities other than just looking at bursary applications . Some of them might be part of the local team so they may also other responsibilities in organizing Debconf apart from their day job, family life and life in general. As a former bursary team Tiago might be able to share some stats. or experiences he might want to share. I would like to document the role of Bursaries team in more detail in https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf/DebConf probably as another page altogether . I have seen scattered info. about the bursaries team but not much in concrete terms of stats. and content which can be shared across the community. I do understand the need to have bursary team members to have privacy but having the process documented might make it easier for others to understand what (if anything) can be made better. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8
Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
Hi Manas, (here a few words from a former bursaries team member) On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 08:24:44PM +0530, Manas Kashyap wrote: > Pardon me, if it sounded rude. But my idea behind asking this was not to > disrespect someone or community. I just wanted to know so that I can get > tickets at a low price and plan my trip accordingly. You didn't sound rude at all. And your questions is very pertinent since this is a recurring DebConf issue. The whole bursaries process has been improved a lot over the years and I have a hope that a solution for the late confirmation problem will be reached at some point. Ranking (partially) depends on other factors well, such as talks selection and available budget (output from other teams). I'm sure that team members are doing their best to speed the process, but it's still quite complex. > Sorry for disturbance and I really appreciate the hard work by the > volunteers to make this event a successful one, No need to be sorry :-) If you have any questions you can contact the bursaries team directly via bursar...@debconf.org. Bests, -- tiago
Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
Pardon me, if it sounded rude. But my idea behind asking this was not to disrespect someone or community. I just wanted to know so that I can get tickets at a low price and plan my trip accordingly. Sorry for disturbance and I really appreciate the hard work by the volunteers to make this event a successful one, Thanking you. On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:57 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote: > at bottom :- > > On 15/04/2018, Manas Kashyap wrote: > > Hola everyone , > > > > I am Manas kashyap , a Debian contributor and ihave applied for Debconf > > 2018 , and applied for Bursary , as without Bursary i can't be able to > > attend this conference , so i wanted to know When will the List of > > applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced. > > So, that i can make the arrangements and get the tickets as soon as > > possible and be at the Debconf and Debsprint on time . > > > > Hoping to get a Good reply soon . > > > > Dear Manas, > > I am just a Debian contributor just like you. I would like you to see > https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf/DebConf/TravelSponsorship which > may answer some of your questions. > > It basically boils down to evaluating your request against some > others. The only thing I would suggest is to have patience. While I do > not know the makeup of the team (and also not interested to know) do > know they are all volunteers who have to look at all applications, > weed out the spurious ones, rank the ones which are serious in order > of how it would further Debian's cause for years to come. Mind you, > all of this is done on their own time, they are not paid for it and > they do not get contribution in the open as you or whoever might do > when doing either commits for some software package, documentation > etc. > > So assume good faith have and have patience. > > Good luck for your application :) > > -- > Regards, > Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल > My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ > http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com > EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8 >
Re: When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
at bottom :- On 15/04/2018, Manas Kashyap wrote: > Hola everyone , > > I am Manas kashyap , a Debian contributor and ihave applied for Debconf > 2018 , and applied for Bursary , as without Bursary i can't be able to > attend this conference , so i wanted to know When will the List of > applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced. > So, that i can make the arrangements and get the tickets as soon as > possible and be at the Debconf and Debsprint on time . > > Hoping to get a Good reply soon . > Dear Manas, I am just a Debian contributor just like you. I would like you to see https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf/DebConf/TravelSponsorship which may answer some of your questions. It basically boils down to evaluating your request against some others. The only thing I would suggest is to have patience. While I do not know the makeup of the team (and also not interested to know) do know they are all volunteers who have to look at all applications, weed out the spurious ones, rank the ones which are serious in order of how it would further Debian's cause for years to come. Mind you, all of this is done on their own time, they are not paid for it and they do not get contribution in the open as you or whoever might do when doing either commits for some software package, documentation etc. So assume good faith have and have patience. Good luck for your application :) -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com EB80 462B 08E1 A0DE A73A 2C2F 9F3D C7A4 E1C4 D2D8
When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced
Hola everyone , I am Manas kashyap , a Debian contributor and ihave applied for Debconf 2018 , and applied for Bursary , as without Bursary i can't be able to attend this conference , so i wanted to know When will the List of applicants whose Bursary request have been accepted will be Announced. So, that i can make the arrangements and get the tickets as soon as possible and be at the Debconf and Debsprint on time . Hoping to get a Good reply soon .
