Hi.
I was installing on a 11th gen Lenovo Carbon X1 last night, and against
my typical practice I decided to try D-I.
I ran into something that looks a lot like the espeakup hangs that
people have been struggling with on arm64.
I was using the 12.5 netinst iso for amd64.
The installer would spe
Neils, I think what you are about to find is that individual preference
generally dominates accessibility concerns here.
> "Christian" == Christian Schoepplein writes:
Christian> Hi Nils,
Christian> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 11:54:24AM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote:
>> In my case, my
> "Jason" == Jason J G White writes:
Jason> On 23/11/23 12:16, David J. J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>> Is there a console browser that supports audio tags so that the
>> CAPTCHA of Amazon can be heard? If not, is there a way of
>> configuring mplayer or other program to play the CAPT
> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
I'm still very confused by all this.
Is this an Oracle issue or an Ubuntu issue or a Debian Java maintainer
issue.
--Sam
Samuel>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-17/+bug/2016194?comments=all
Samuel> Without *any* coordination with us.
Samuel> I'm just fed up with java. Oracle didn't manage to even
Samuel> realize at all that accessibility is currently just
Samuel> completel
> "Jude" == Jude DaShiell writes:
Jude> For any interested in installing a system with screen reader
Jude> accessibility don't do what I did. It took me most of a day
Jude> to reverse but I finally got it reversed. On no account
Jude> choose lvm and entire disk in disk parti
> "D" == D J J Ring, writes:
D> I deleted the Virtual Debian installation and reinstalled just
D> picking #12, standard system utilities.
D> This time I had no networking like I had with the Default
D> installation, 1, 7, and 12.
D> Also the programs nmcli and nmtui both
> "K0LNY" == K0LNY Glenn writes:
K0LNY> or something like that, and it isn't much better. So I'm
K0LNY> wondering, is the Debian desktop any better?
I generally strongly regret getting into conversations like this, and
I'll admit that the subject line of this thread gives me concern.
> "Kenneth" == Kenneth Schack Banner writes:
I'd actually consider it a bug if the screen reader did read out the
password in a situation where the password were not displayed on the
screen for sighted users.
I'd rather my passwords not be audible to bystanders.
> "Frank" == Frank Carmickle writes:
>> You could play around with adding/subtracting pulseaudio/pipewire
>> within the guest and different approaches for how the emulator
>> talks to the host OS sound stack to explore whether this is the
>> case.
Frank> I have as minima
> "Frank" == Frank Carmickle writes:
Frank> Good day all, I'm pretty certain now that speech stops when
Frank> doing screen review by character.
Frank> Does anyone know what would be different about this that
Frank> would make this happen?
This is just a guess, but you might
> "Frank" == Frank Carmickle writes:
Frank> Hi Sam, The only real reason why I even tried playing with
Frank> pipewire at all is I thought maybe connecting back to the
Frank> host over jack may prove to be better performing than
Frank> virtualized audio hardware. Does anyone h
I'm not seeing a lot of discussion of pipewire as a system service. I
don't know if that's going to work; you would need to convince it to
attach to the system bus rather than the session dbus, and you'd need to
convince it to look for its server on the system dbus rather than
session dbus for c
> "K0LNY" == K0LNY Glenn writes:
Check bios to see if virtualization can be enabled.
I realize that's a frustrating instruction from an accessibility
standpoint.
But there are a lot of especially intel machines that require you to
turn on virtualization in the bios before vmx appears in cpuin
control: retitle -1 Regression Pipewire 0.3.63 breaks underruns breaking
emacspeak accessibility
control: found -1 0.3.63-1
I'm sorry. I meant pipewire 0.3.59 works and 0.3.63 is broken.
I apologize for the sloppiness.
package: pipewire-pulse
severity: important
tags: accessibility
x-debbugs-cc: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
Hi. I use emacspeak, a screen reader/desktop on top of emacs for access
to terminal applications.
I noticed that the upgrade from pipewire 0.59 to pipewire 0.63 broke
speech.
I'd ge
> "Jason" == Jason White writes:
Jason> Have you considered running Git bisect on Pipewire to
Jason> identify the commit responsible?
That sounds like a lot of work. I don't know if the Debian packaging
includes all upstream commits, and I'm not particularly psyched to run a
project
[I'm copying Simon because I've been amazed at how good his advice is
for debugging complicated problems. I totally understand if you don't
have time to even suggest where I should look].
TL;DR: pipewire 0.63 breaks my accessibility environment. I'm hoping
for debugging suggestions that will al
> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Hello, During installation with speech enabled, when
Samuel> unpacking packages progress is only notified every 10%. For
Samuel> long installations that can be very long without any
Samuel> feedback. I can add a temporal condition,
> "john" == john doe writes:
john> Hello all, I use Orca to do some videocalling, the issue that
john> I'm having is that voice of Orca is also audible at the other
john> end.
john> How can I ensure that I'm the only one that will hear Orca and
john> prevent other persons
> "Jude" == Jude DaShiell writes:
Jude> So far as I can tell in debian-bullseye pinfo is unuseable
Jude> with screen readers. You can listen to the beginning of any
Jude> info file but try to review the screen or take any action with
Jude> the cursor after the initial read an
> "Didier" == Didier Spaier writes:
Didier> Hi Cindy and all, Caveat: I am not running Testing, actually
Didier> no running Debian at all.
Didier> This being said, I think that the best thing to do is feed
Didier> the bug thread you mentioned, highlighting the consequences
> "Christian" == Christian Schoepplein writes:
Christian> Is that really all todo to switch from pulseaudio to
Christian> pipewire on Debian Bullseye with backports enabled?
I don't know about getting it running on bullseye.
I'm running testing.
If you depend on sound for accessibilit
>>>>> "Jean-Philippe" == Jean-Philippe MENGUAL writes:
Jean-Philippe> Hi, Le 02/03/2022 à 19:28, Sam Hartman a écrit :
>>>>>>> "Jean-Philippe" == Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
>>>>>>> writes:
>>
> "Jeffery" == Jeffery Mewtamer writes:
Jeffery> And don't get me started on Python source code that uses
Jeffery> spaces in multiples of 4 instead of tabs for indentation or
Jeffery> which mix tabs and spaces in their indentation... making
Jeffery> sure every line of a code bl
>>>>> "Jean-Philippe" == Jean-Philippe MENGUAL writes:
Jean-Philippe> Hi Sam, Le 25/02/2022 à 05:15, Sam Hartman a écrit :
>> It's been a while since I wrote in and said thanks, and I just
>> wanted to report that I still appreciate the g
It's been a while since I wrote in and said thanks, and I just wanted to
report that I still appreciate the great work and things are (for the
most part) working great.
I'm using gnome/gdm, orca, and emacspeak, with pipewire for audio,
and things work well.
This laptop has strange sound issues wit
> "john" == john doe writes:
There are a couple of reasons you might want a screen reader with a
different architecture than Orca.
Orca's architecture makes it relatively easy for Orca to block.
It's written in python, and if anything in Orca does something CPU bound
while holding the globa
> "Michael" == Michael A Ray writes:
Michael> Surely, if God is omniscient and omnipresent, he will
Michael> provide an accessible fairy story reader you can use to
Michael> read the Bible. It's just a matter of praying hard enough.
Mocking someone's religion is not consistent wi
> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Hello, Michael Bibl is pushing for using dbus-broker :)
Samuel> Apparently people have been happy with it, so I have enabled
Samuel> it in at-spi2-core version 2.42.0-2. If you want to test it,
Samuel> upgrade the at-spi2-core to
I was trying to look at the netplan documentation (https://netplan.io/ )
in order to understand cloud-init.
However what I appear to get in Firefox with Orca (bullseye) is a
completely blank web page.
Sighted coworkers tell me that there is a web page you can get to
behind a cookie consent dial
So, to be clear, I was asking for a few bullet points (or at most a few
slides) community wide.
We now seem to have gotten to three demos and a discussion of what isn't
working well focused entirely on accessibility.
Accessibility is great, and if there are one or two successes or
challenges in B
> "Jason" == Jason White writes:
Jason> If it's a bug, then it's a fairly serious one from an
Jason> accessibility point of view, and the maintainers really
Jason> should put in place a strategy for preventing this kind of
Jason> regression from entering a release.
To be clea
>>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Hello, Sam Hartman, le mer. 16 janv. 2019 08:04:33 -0500, a
Samuel> ecrit:
>> Orca announces the settings frame, but fails to interact with it.
Samuel> Does orca announce anything when
>>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Hello, Sam Hartman, le mer. 16 janv. 2019 08:04:33 -0500, a
Samuel> ecrit:
>> Orca announces the settings frame, but fails to interact with it.
Samuel> Does orca announce anything when
On buster , if in a gnome xorg session, I
* use ctrl-alt-tab to get to the top bar
* hit shift-tab to get to the system menu
* arrow down to the bottom
* arrow left to settings
* hit enter
Orca announces the settings frame, but fails to interact with it. Lots
of CPU gets consumed and the sys
>>>>> "Sam" == Sam Hartman writes:
>>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Sam Hartman, le mar. 15 janv. 2019 17:22:16 -0500, a ecrit:
>>> GTK_MODULES was not set.
Samuel> But it should be getting set by
>>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Sam Hartman, le mar. 15 janv. 2019 17:22:16 -0500, a ecrit:
>> GTK_MODULES was not set.
Samuel> But it should be getting set by
Samuel> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90atk-adaptor
Samuel> Wh
GTK_MODULES was not set.
I wonder why things were working under stretch.
The troubleshoot script is great; thanks for the work!
H.
Hi. I just went through a rather rocky upgrade of my laptop from
stretch to buster.
I use Orca for speech.
The biggest problem I have right now is that gtk2 applications no longer
seem to talk.
This is unfortunate because Pidgin was by far the most accessible GUI
chat client. Surprisingly e
>>>>> "Felipe" == Felipe Sateler writes:
Felipe> On Jan 6, 2018 09:36, "Sam Hartman" wrote:
>>>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Hello,
Samuel> Sam Hartman, on sam. 06 janv. 2018 06:
>>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Sam Hartman, on sam. 06 janv. 2018 07:36:25 -0500, wrote:
>> >>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
>>
Samuel> Hello,
Samuel> Sam Hartman, on sam. 06
>>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel Thibault writes:
Samuel> Hello,
Samuel> Sam Hartman, on sam. 06 janv. 2018 06:09:44 -0500, wrote:
>> * Will limiting the number of streams speech-dispatcher opens
>> have any significant improvement. Are there a
I'd appreciate being copied on replies.
hi.
A while ago I was looking at the power usage of our GUI screen reader
stack. I came back to that project recently.
I'm running stock stretch with Orca. I'm running pulseaudio and
speech-dispatcher both as user processes.
I was initially suspicious
Hi.
It's likely I should know the answer to this, but I don't and I makes it
hard for me to know how to prioritize supporting your work.
Would you mind giving a breakdown of the top five projects you tend to
spend time working on? Linux accessibility for the blind is fairly
broad and.
--Sam
> "Halim" == Halim Sahin writes:
Halim> Hi, I am not sure if I got it right. If you want to shutdown
Halim> connection to pa every time after speechoutput this will
Halim> produce latency and would reduce responsiveness of speechd.
Halim> Responsiveness is an important thing
So, for myself, I'd really like to be able to use pulseaudio. Without
pulseaudio it's very hard to use bluetooth audio.
To make that work well, what would need to happen is that we'd need to
get speech dispatcher to not hold its audio stream in a running state
when it's not talking.
If we do tha
source: gnome-orca
source-version: 3.14
Yeah, I agree this no longer seems to be an issue.
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Hi.
The pulse trigger patch is bogus and doesn't seem to make any
difference.
I'm sorry about that. I thought it did make a difference when I
submitted it; apparently though the affects of the final bit of speech
trimming were not as pronounced as I had previously thought. I actually
managed to
Ah, I see you already included the patch:-)
sorry.
Well, it does look like the bug is fixed.
I'm likely to recommend you remove the patch as I don't think it does
anytihng but will get back to you.
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Hi.
Upgraded.
It's definitely using pulse now.
I expect to be closing this bug as fixed in the new version within a day
unless something unexpected comes up.
Now,' I'm seeing some kind of impressive latency starting a chunk of
speech; cursoring around is kind of painful.
Will also looking into th
Hi.
I'm no longer convinced my patch helps things, nor that I understood the
root cause of the problem.
I'm quite convinced that under pulseaudio, speech is getting chopped.
But, I'm noticing that it's actually using alsa (presumably via
portaudio) and pulse via that, rather than the direct pulse
package: libespeak1
version: 1.43.03-2
tags: patch, upstream
severity: important
Hi. I noticed that espeak as an emacspeak speech server is basically
unusable if you're using pulse, which is kind of the default
configuration in wheezy.
This made my accessibility experience quite difficult.
You d
I'm unaware of any particularly interesting configuration of my gnome
session.
What would be a good way to test with as much configuration as possible
removed other than enabling orca?
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Package: libatk-wrapper-java
Version: 0.30.4-2
Severity: important
Hi.
I am using openjdk-6 (6b27-1.12.3-1)
In uncommented libatk-wrapper which has been commented out of
accessibility.properties in the openjdk packages because of startup
problems.
When I do that policytool works fine with orca.
Yes, sounds like a doc issue to me. Thanks for the tip!
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> "Andor" == Andor Demarteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> # kopt=root=/dev/hda2 ro console=ttyS0,9600n81
Andor> oh jaysus, please remove the # infront of the line. then
Andor> it gets active. (now the line is a comment)
No. Please look at how update-grub works. This is a lin
> "Veli-Pekka" == Veli-Pekka Tatila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Veli-Pekka> Hi, I'm replying to my own message actually. This is
Veli-Pekka> tutorial at hand. One final question, though, how can
Veli-Pekka> I force Debian to continue using the serial port even
Veli-Pekka> after
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