Re: debian installer accessibility for arm64

2023-03-08 Thread Samuel Thibault
Frank Carmickle, le mer. 08 mars 2023 08:23:27 -0500, a ecrit:
> > On Mar 7, 2023, at 19:18, Samuel Thibault  wrote:
> > Frank Carmickle, le mer. 15 févr. 2023 11:22:02 -0500, a ecrit:
> >>> Samuel Thibault, le lun. 13 févr. 2023 22:41:16 +0100, a ecrit:
> >>> https://people.debian.org/~sthibault/mini.iso
> > 
> > I have updated the image above with the latest kernel from debian, which
> > now includes sound drivers, could you download it again and try it?
> 
> I have tried it. I have found that I couldn't, unlike the last image you 
> made, get it to come up talking.

Ah?

> Is it that you thought that speech wouldn't work?

No, it's supposed to have the audio drivers, and espeakup, and thus have
speech synthesis.

> If so, you are correct, it does not. It seems as though the boot loader isn't 
> including the appropriate kernel options, but I can't tell because when I 
> press 's' it gives me the graphical installer.

That's not expected. How did you actually drive the grub menu, precisely?

How do you run your VM? I'm using 

qemu-system-aarch64 -cdrom mini.iso -m 1G -cpu max -machine type=virt -bios 
/usr/share/qemu-efi-aarch64/QEMU_EFI.fd -device intel-hda -device hda-output 
-serial stdio -device virtio-gpu-pci -device usb-ehci -device usb-kbd

and that comes up talking after pressing s on the virtual USB keyboard
or on the serial port (i.e. the graphical window or the terminal)

> When I arrow down to the entry that should be "install with speech" I don't 
> get any output at all on the serial line. 

You mean after validating in a grub menu that does show up on the serial
line?

Please be *very* precise in your report, since I have no idea how things
are happening on your side.

> I've been trying to find the build instructions for the Debian Installer. Do 
> you know where I can find them?

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Build
but quite often there are rough edges.

Samuel



Re: debian installer accessibility for arm64

2023-03-08 Thread Frank Carmickle
Greetings Samuel,


> On Mar 7, 2023, at 19:18, Samuel Thibault  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Frank Carmickle, le mer. 15 févr. 2023 11:22:02 -0500, a ecrit:
>> On Feb 14, 2023, at 6:21 PM, Samuel Thibault  wrote:
>>> Samuel Thibault, le lun. 13 févr. 2023 22:41:16 +0100, a ecrit:
 Frank Carmickle, le dim. 12 févr. 2023 21:07:14 -0500, a ecrit:
> I've tried different emulated sound devices but the modules are not being 
> loaded for any sound cards.
 
 Indeed, the sound drivers have not been included in the arm images. When
 the issue with wxwidgets will be solved, I'll have a try at including
 them.
>>> 
>>> I have uploaded a test image, could you give it a try from:
>>> 
>>> https://people.debian.org/~sthibault/mini.iso
>> 
>> The first thing to note is that the image does not come up talking at all in 
>> stock configuration.
> 
> I have updated the image above with the latest kernel from debian, which
> now includes sound drivers, could you download it again and try it?

I have tried it. I have found that I couldn't, unlike the last image you made, 
get it to come up talking. However, since I wanted to try to finish the 
installation process, I did so over a serial connection. On reboot into the 
installed system it came up talking, when I thought that I'd have to install 
those bits.

I'm not sure how to read your message that I'm replying to hear. Is it that you 
thought that speech wouldn't work? If so, you are correct, it does not. It 
seems as though the boot loader isn't including the appropriate kernel options, 
but I can't tell because when I press 's' it gives me the graphical installer. 
When I arrow down to the entry that should be "install with speech" I don't get 
any output at all on the serial line. 


Thanks for providing us another image to test. I was going to write you mail 
yesterday, just before you sent this, to ask you to build another. I've been 
trying to find the build instructions for the Debian Installer. Do you know 
where I can find them?

Best,
--FC



Re: Debian Installer Bookworm Alpha 2 release

2023-03-08 Thread Jude DaShiell
send questions to debian-b...@lists.debian.org along with install logs.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 8 Mar 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

> I am installing with a USB stick.
>
> My user password is correct.
>
> I'll send the logs in a separate email from '/var/log/installer'.
>
> After a while the console with the user account becomes unstable and will
> not respond to keyboard input. I am not running the GUI at all. Other
> consoles work fine.
>
> A big help would be to include nmcli or nmtui in the utilities installed
> with the Debian installer.
>
> Who do I speak to about this?
> Also it would be very beneficial if a question be asked during installation
> if the user wishes to log into command line or graphical mode.
>
> During the last two installations I didn't have sound for the screen reader
> while installing from the ISO image. Fortunately I still had enough vision
> to see the screen with a magnifying glass and also run "dpkg-reconfigure
> console-setup" as root and make the letters larger on the screen.
>
> More later.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 03:46 john doe  wrote:
>
> > On 3/8/23 07:11, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > > I'll be glad to do that, Samuel.
> > >
> > > Tonight I got a system installed, but again it will not allow me to log
> > in
> >
> > How are you installing it/What step are you doing?
> >
> > > with my user name.
> > >
> > > I have to log in as root then su to my user name. But then I cannot
> > start X
> >
> > Use su to change the PWD ('passwd') of your regular user.
> >
> > > with my user account.
> > >
> > > Please tell me exactly what log files and their locations you will need.
> >
> > If you look in the Debian documentation for the installer you'wll see
> > that the installer logs are located in '/var/log/installer'.
> >
> > This is also in the list archive.
> >
> >
> > > files. I guess I could log into pastebin and put the logs up there. This
> > > list doesn't accept small log attachments does it?
> > >
> >
> > I would send a tarball through the list ('tar -xf 
> > ')
> >
> > > I can certainly understand how difficult it is to do things remotely. I
> > was
> >
> > To me the issue is that Samuel is always repeting himself by having to
> > ask the same things over and over again!
> >
> > --
> > John Doe
> >
> >
>



Re: Debian Installer Bookworm Alpha 2 release

2023-03-08 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
I am installing with a USB stick.

My user password is correct.

I'll send the logs in a separate email from '/var/log/installer'.

After a while the console with the user account becomes unstable and will
not respond to keyboard input. I am not running the GUI at all. Other
consoles work fine.

A big help would be to include nmcli or nmtui in the utilities installed
with the Debian installer.

Who do I speak to about this?
Also it would be very beneficial if a question be asked during installation
if the user wishes to log into command line or graphical mode.

During the last two installations I didn't have sound for the screen reader
while installing from the ISO image. Fortunately I still had enough vision
to see the screen with a magnifying glass and also run "dpkg-reconfigure
console-setup" as root and make the letters larger on the screen.

More later.

David





On Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 03:46 john doe  wrote:

> On 3/8/23 07:11, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > I'll be glad to do that, Samuel.
> >
> > Tonight I got a system installed, but again it will not allow me to log
> in
>
> How are you installing it/What step are you doing?
>
> > with my user name.
> >
> > I have to log in as root then su to my user name. But then I cannot
> start X
>
> Use su to change the PWD ('passwd') of your regular user.
>
> > with my user account.
> >
> > Please tell me exactly what log files and their locations you will need.
>
> If you look in the Debian documentation for the installer you'wll see
> that the installer logs are located in '/var/log/installer'.
>
> This is also in the list archive.
>
>
> > files. I guess I could log into pastebin and put the logs up there. This
> > list doesn't accept small log attachments does it?
> >
>
> I would send a tarball through the list ('tar -xf 
> ')
>
> > I can certainly understand how difficult it is to do things remotely. I
> was
>
> To me the issue is that Samuel is always repeting himself by having to
> ask the same things over and over again!
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>


Re: Debian Installer Bookworm Alpha 2 release

2023-03-08 Thread Jude DaShiell
Logs should be sent to debian-boot list if memory serves and size doesn't
matter on that list either.



Jude  "There are four boxes to be used in
defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)

.

On Wed, 8 Mar 2023, john doe wrote:

> On 3/8/23 07:11, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
> > I'll be glad to do that, Samuel.
> >
> > Tonight I got a system installed, but again it will not allow me to log in
>
> How are you installing it/What step are you doing?
>
> > with my user name.
> >
> > I have to log in as root then su to my user name. But then I cannot start X
>
> Use su to change the PWD ('passwd') of your regular user.
>
> > with my user account.
> >
> > Please tell me exactly what log files and their locations you will need.
>
> If you look in the Debian documentation for the installer you'wll see
> that the installer logs are located in '/var/log/installer'.
>
> This is also in the list archive.
>
>
> > files. I guess I could log into pastebin and put the logs up there. This
> > list doesn't accept small log attachments does it?
> >
>
> I would send a tarball through the list ('tar -xf 
> ')
>
> > I can certainly understand how difficult it is to do things remotely. I was
>
> To me the issue is that Samuel is always repeting himself by having to
> ask the same things over and over again!
>
> --
> John Doe
>
>
>



Re: Debian Installer Bookworm Alpha 2 release

2023-03-08 Thread john doe

On 3/8/23 07:11, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:

I'll be glad to do that, Samuel.

Tonight I got a system installed, but again it will not allow me to log in


How are you installing it/What step are you doing?


with my user name.

I have to log in as root then su to my user name. But then I cannot start X


Use su to change the PWD ('passwd') of your regular user.


with my user account.

Please tell me exactly what log files and their locations you will need.


If you look in the Debian documentation for the installer you'wll see
that the installer logs are located in '/var/log/installer'.

This is also in the list archive.



files. I guess I could log into pastebin and put the logs up there. This
list doesn't accept small log attachments does it?



I would send a tarball through the list ('tar -xf 
')


I can certainly understand how difficult it is to do things remotely. I was


To me the issue is that Samuel is always repeting himself by having to
ask the same things over and over again!

--
John Doe