Re: What do you think of TeamViewer?
My sighted tech uses TeamViewer to help me remotely. It's accessible to him. That's all that counts, but I'm concerned about its stability. John On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 09:25:20AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Is any version of team-viewer sufficiently accessible to allow a > connecting computer to do remote maintenance on a target computer, or is > even that level of required accessibility insufficient? > > On Mon, 27 Apr 2020, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:10:25 > > From: Alex ARNAUD > > To: John J. Boyer , > > debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: What do you think of TeamViewer? > > Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:10:41 + (UTC) > > Resent-From: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > > > > Hello John, > > > > Currently TeamViewer for Linux is not correctly accessible. A workaround to > > make it working is to use the ocrdesktop but it is not available on the > > Debian > > repository. > > > > On my company we use our own solution based on SSH and VNC. > > > > Best regards. > > > > Le 24/04/2020 ? 09:44, John J. Boyer a ?crit?: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am working with a local tech on installing a desktop. He installed > > > TeamViewer so he could help me remotely. What have been your experiences > > > with this software? > > > Can it be run in the background? My experience is that it has made things > > > worse. My tech can remote in and run Gnome, but I can't run it from the > > > keyboard. That > > > hss hapened before - with NVDA on Windows 10. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > John > > > > > > > > > -- > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
What do you think of TeamViewer?
Hello, I am working with a local tech on installing a desktop. He installed TeamViewer so he could help me remotely. What have been your experiences with this software? Can it be run in the background? My experience is that it has made things worse. My tech can remote in and run Gnome, but I can't run it from the keyboard. That hss hapened before - with NVDA on Windows 10. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: New Member
Hi Alex, Thanks for your advice. Jean-Philippe gave me the link for subscribing to this list. I will definitely be replacing Gnome with Mate and will make sure that Wayland is replaceed with Xorg. John On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 08:35:21AM +0200, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Hello John, > > Nice to meet you there :-). > > As I've told you, yes, I think Mate is more accessible. I can also help you > on Mate because I use it myself. > > The correct way to obtain answer to your question is: > > * Open one thread for one problem > * Don't ask general question like it doesn't work, nothing work, etc >because it is too general to help you. It's like if you say to some >one that come to find you, "I'm lost" without more detailed. > > > If you have an IT department for your job, don't hesitate to write a new > thread with detail on the issue you've. > > First thing you need to know in first place, you need to switch from Wayland > to X.Org for your GNOME Session because Wayland is not correctly ready for > accessibility. > > Best regards. > > Le 24/04/2020 à 00:40, John J. Boyer a écrit : > > Hello, > > > > I have just subscribed to this list. I have Buster. Recently I installed > > Gnome with Orca. I use Braille only, since I am deaf-blind. However, I have > > been having a > > lot of difficulty. Now I am told that Mate is more accessible than Gnome, > > especially for Braille. What do you think? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
New Member
Hello, I have just subscribed to this list. I have Buster. Recently I installed Gnome with Orca. I use Braille only, since I am deaf-blind. However, I have been having a lot of difficulty. Now I am told that Mate is more accessible than Gnome, especially for Braille. What do you think? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Braille display jamming in Orca and Mate
Hello Everyone, Occassionally either Orca or the desktop will cause the display to jam. It just keeps showing the same thing, no matter what I do on the keyboard. Is there a way to restart Mate without rebooting? I am using lightdm. If I kill mate-session lightdm asks me to sign in again. This may not be a good idea. I can tell when Orca is responsible for the jam because it doesn't respond to Insert+Space. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Is there a Mate mailing list?
I hope they will answer dumb newbie questions. John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
How do I set up a desktop in Mate?
Hello Everyone, I got disgusted with the way Microsoft keeps messing up my computers with its updates, so I installed Mate on my Debian system. However, I miss the convenience of the Windows desktop. Ctrl+alt+d is suposed to start a desktop. However, it does nothing. I would like something like the Windows desktop with first-letter navigation to the apps I use most, the trash, Etc. What are the steps for setting one up? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: My Mate Applications menu is messed up. how do I fix it?
I've been playing around with Mate, since I just installed it a couple of weeks ago. This started happening a few days ago. I can't tell you how to reproduce it. however, could you tell me where mate keeps the information in the applications menu? Thanks, John On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 08:45:24PM +0200, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote: > hmm weird. Could you tell us a kind of step to reproduce the problem? What > did you do before this behavior? > > Regards > > > > > Jean-Philippe MENGUAL > Debian Developer non uploading > Community team member > Accessibility team member > debian-l10n-french team member > President of Debian France non-profit organization > Le 14/05/2020 à 18:44, John J. Boyer a écrit : > > Hello everyone, > > > > This is the menu that is accessed with Alt+F1. It is skiping around and > > doesn't show the menu categories properly. it is getting worse. Where is > > the file that > > stores it? how can i fix it? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
My Mate Applications menu is messed up. how do I fix it?
Hello everyone, This is the menu that is accessed with Alt+F1. It is skiping around and doesn't show the menu categories properly. it is getting worse. Where is the file that stores it? how can i fix it? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: The mate-user-guide is inaccessible.
Hello, All right, I can use yelp, but the procedure is rather weird. I have Debian Buster. Originally it was CLI only. I first tried Gnome, but that kept crashing and burning. Mate is much better. I have a Focus 40 Braille display. When I start yelp I can arrow down from the top. Things flash on the display, much too fast to read. Pressing the forward advance button does nothing, but if I press the back button on the display I will get to something. Then pressing the forward button enables me to read the screen. I can even press buttons and links to go to topics and read those. I've gotten used to having to use some weird maneuvers to get to things on the GUI. Some of that may be due to Orca. I think that Orca and Mate should behave the same on all distros. Thanks, John On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 06:53:22PM +0200, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hello John, > > As Alex said, at least here (Slint distribution) there are several ways to > access the help for the Mate desktop: > > 1. With the focus on the desktop, just press F1. > 2. Press Alt + F1 to put the focus on the Application menu, arrow right twice > to switch to the System menu, then Arrow down three times to focus on Help > and press Enter. > 3. Start mate-terminal, or just press Alt + F2 to raise a Run... dialog, > then type either yelp or gnome-help, press Enter, then press Tab to navigate > to the help for the Mate desktop (Orca will give an output only when you > press Tab in this case, at least here). > > If the key bindings or commands differ when using Mate, please Alex tell us. > > Caveat: I confirm that Orca speaks when using the Mate help, but didn't check > that a braille device gets the output as well (I add that knowing that you > are deaf, and not owning one). > > Slint list in CC: please some of you using a braille device confirm or infirm > in the Slint list (or here if registered to this one) that it's usable with > the Mate help. > > As an aside, providing a web site with the same information is doable using > yelp-tools. I have considered doing that at least for Slint (and suggest to > the Mate developers to provide such a thing for all distributions), but > didn't as the integrated help became accessible. > > Cheers, > Didier > > Le 20/05/2020 à 16:59, Alex ARNAUD a écrit : > > Didier in CC told me mate-user-guide is accessible so it could probably > > told you the trick to make it working > > > > Best regards. > > > > Le 20/05/2020 à 16:13, John J. Boyer a écrit : > >> Hello, > >> > >> Thanks Alex. > >> > >> I have tried going to wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!index.md with both firefox > >> and Chromium. I couldnt make head or tail of the site. The help option in > >> Mate > >> does not work. > >> How can I read the mate-user-guide? My opinioon is that they should have > >> made it a simple Web page. That is what NVDA did. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> John > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
The mate-user-guide is inacessible.
Hello, Thanks Alex. I have tried going to wiki.mate-desktop.org/#!index.md with both firefox and Chromium. I couldnt make head or tail of the site. The help option in Mate does not work. How can I read the mate-user-guide? My opinioon is that they should have made it a simple Web page. That is what NVDA did. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Keyboard freezing
Hello, Any ideas why my keyboard might suddenly freeze up? I have Debian Bullseye, Brltty 6.0, Mate and Orca. I was forwarding an email with mutt. the Braille display said mail sent. Then no response to any keypress. I had to use the power button to turn the machine off and then back on. It said Screen not in text mode. i had to ssh in from another machine to reboot. It is OK now. It had been up for 64 days. Thankks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Braille indications of indentation in python
Hello, Is there a way to get an indication of Python indentation on a Braille display. I am thinking of helping with Orca development, but if I look at the Python code with BRLTTY the tabs often result in my display being completely blank. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Problems with Mate-terminal
Hello, If I leave Mate for a while, with a terminal window active, it won't respond when I come back. If I use Alt+Tab to move off it and then back on it responds again. It does not show a cursor, though I think the cursor is stuck at the beginning of the line. This may be an Orca problem. Do you have suggestions for improvements? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: Would it be worthwhile to rebuild Mate?
I'm just thinking that the repository may include improvements that aren't in the latest package. That is the case with Orca. Thanks, John On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:02:47AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > John J. Boyer, le sam. 30 mai 2020 02:56:58 -0500, a ecrit: > > If so, please give me the URL for cloning the repository. I have the latest > > Debian package. > > I don't understand what you would want to do with rebuilding Mate? > Normally that would just give you the same result as the Debian > packages. I must be missing some context. > > Samuel > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Would it be worthwhile to rebuild Mate?
If so, please give me the URL for cloning the repository. I have the latest Debian package. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Restarting Mate
Hello, How do I restart Mate when its performance seems to be deteriorating? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Problem with Orca not starting
Hello, I have Debian bullseye and Mate. When the desktop stops working and I tyhpe service lightdm restart Orca is not started. To get it going I have to reboot. I don't think this is an Orca problem. However, it started happening when I recompiled Orca from the latest Master. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
How do I delete a file in Mate?
Hello, I can select a file in caja, but when I press the delete key nothing happens. What works? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: How do I delete a file in Mate?
What I want to know is how I can delete a file within caja. Does Mate have the equivalent of the Recycle Bin? Thanks, John On Sat, Jun 06, 2020 at 09:03:53AM -0400, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > Are you the owner of the file? If it's not your file you cannot delete it. > > If that's the case open terminal and ls -l to see who owns the file and > which group. See if the owner had write permission on the file. If not you > have to chmod 644 the file with the root account to give owner read and > write permission. > > sudo chmod 644 "file name" > > Where "file name" is the actual file name but no quotation marks. > > > Best regards, > > David > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 08:53 John J. Boyer > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I can select a file in caja, but when I press the delete key nothing > > happens. What works? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > > -- > > John J. Boyer > > Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org > > website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org > > Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. > > Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA > > Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM > > services > > that are available at no cost > > > > > > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Why doesn't this page work with Mate?
Hello, Please look at the attached html fille. It is a small experimental page. It works with Chrome on Windows, but not with Chromium or firefox on mate. Why is this? Can I make it work? It will be used to develop a word-association O game for my websites. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Oops, forgot the attachment.
Here it is. -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: Why doesn't this page work with Mate?
I am using Mate with Debian Bullseye. However, the version of Debian doesn't
make a difference. It may be important that I am using Orca with Braille,
When I try this code the window.prompt statement seems to be ignored, and then
the browser seems to hang. typing something and then enter does nothing.
John
On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 12:26:41PM +1200, Aaron wrote:
> On 6/12/20 4:12 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Please look at the attached html fille. It is a small experimental page.
> > It works with Chrome on Windows, but not with Chromium or firefox on mate.
> > Why is this? Can I make it work? It will be used to develop a
> > word-association O
> > game for my websites.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > John
> >
> I'm a web developer with a lot of experience with dynamic HTML. This
> appears to be the code you are talking about:
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> function nextMove(curresp) {
> response = curresp;
> document.write("You responded " + response + "<br>");
> return true;
> }
>
> response = window.prompt("What is your response?");
>
> nextMove(response);
>
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> I tested this with Chromium 83 under MATE and I don't see any difference
> between how it works with Firefox or Chromium. In both cases, it opens a
> prompt window asking for a text input, then prints whatever was typed
> into the box to the screen. In what way does it seem to not be working?
>
>
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John J. Boyer
Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost
We need a new package for brltty 6.4.
The current brlty does not do word wrap for contracted braille and it sometimes stops working for mutt and lynx. From the brltty list it appears that these problems have been fixed. Please provide a new package for brltty 6.4. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
mutt stops brltty
Sometimes a message in mutt stops brltty. When I go to a console with root already logged in and do something brltty restarts. have others had this problem? John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: [orca-list] Do you have a solution?? [john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org: Problem with lightdm]
Hello Didier, Thanks. I use Braille, not speech. This all seems quite complicated. I wonder why the change was made. It has meant that I can't use a graphical interface on Linux. I'll have to try the suggestions and see what hapens. John On Mon, Jul 04, 2022 at 07:36:48PM +0200, Didier Spaier wrote: > Hello John, > > I second the suggestion from Jason to start in console mode the type startx > wheneve needed to start Mate, at least as a workaround. > > Now to have lightdm start in tty7 as previously, you could edit the file: > /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf > and remove the leading # in this line: > #minimum-vt=7 > Also check if this variable is set otherwise in this file. > > About speech in the lightdm greeter and assuming you are running the gtk one, > edit the file: > /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf and include these settings: > > indicators = ~a11y;~session;~power > a11y-states = +reader > reader = orca > > As I am not using Debian but maybe some Debian specific settings come into > play, > I CC the Debian accessibility mailing list so that Debian users can tell if > something works differently in Debian Bookworm. > > Friendly regards, > Didier > > Le 04/07/2022 à 10:43, John J. Boyer a écrit : > > I sent this message to the blinux list and did not receive a reply. perhaps > > someone on this list knows what is hapening. I am cuyrrently using Windows > > for my Web acces. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > - Forwarded message from "John J. Boyer" > > - > > > > Subject: Problem with lightdm > > From: "John J. Boyer" > > Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 22:03:36 -0500 > > To: Linux for blind general discussion > > > > Until about six months ago, when I booted up lightdm would ask what user > > to log into and the password. It would then set up console 7, set the > > screen for this console to graphics mode and start Orca. It would not > > affect the other consoles, so i could continue to use them in command mode, > > with brltrty. Now lightdm just sets the screen to graphics mode without > > asking anything. I have to use systemctl to disable it, so I can use the > > machine. > > How can I get the former behavior back? As it is, I can't use Mate at all. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Please! I need a new brltty 6.4 package for Debian Bookworm.
Hello, For some time brltty has been becoming unresponsive on mutt. Just now it became unresponsive on the title of a book I was trying to download from Bookshare. In both cases, when I went to a console where root was loggee in and pressed up arrow brltty was restarted. there is also the problem that brltty does not do word wrap. This is a regression from all previous Debian versions. If making a new package from the current brltty repository is too much work, what can I do to solve these problems? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
Re: Please! I need a new brltty 6.4 package for Debian Bookworm.
Hello Samuel, I received a message from Dave Mielke. He says that nobody else is having the problem with brltty becoming unresponsive. So this must be a Debian Bokworm problem. The word-wrap problem is due to a bug. A new version of brlty, 6.5, will be out in a couple of weeks. John On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 02:16:36PM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > John J. Boyer, le jeu. 28 avril 2022 06:02:11 -0500, a ecrit: > > If making a new package from the current brltty repository is too much > > work, what can I do to solve these problems? > > The problem is not making a new package, but identifying what should be > included in it. Please discuss with upstream to determine that. > > Samuel > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
How can I get usable information with current whois?
When I type whois domainname It gives me a lot of stuff, with much of it redacted, meaning it isn't shown. It used to tell me about the domain name, including how long it was valid. Why was the previous version mesed up? The man page is confusing. What do I type to get information that I got last year? Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.bo...@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
