Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Helge Hafting
Andrew Robinson wrote: Looking for some constructive feedback on other people's experiences with amd64 as a workstation. I have been only using it a few weeks, and the setup is a pain due to the amount of 32 bit only programs. I am having some issues with: Eclipse + ExadelStudio plugin (plugin

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Alexander Samad
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 01:11:08PM -0600, Andrew Robinson wrote: Looking for some constructive feedback on other people's experiences with amd64 as a workstation. I have been only using it a few weeks, and the setup is a pain due to the amount of 32 bit only programs. I am having some issues

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Giacomo Mulas
On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Jack Malmostoso wrote: On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:20:09 +0200, Andrew Robinson wrote: Just looking for some constructive feedback on other's opinions. The answer is really easy: if you feel it's a pain then switch back to the 32bit. I agree completely. It just boils down

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Lubos Vrbka
As a server I would think it would be great but as a workstation it seems to be a pain. The chroot jail works, but having to maintain the apt libraries (I am using etch, so they change fairly often), it more of a pain. For those that have the knowledge, I know that the 64 bit architecture is

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Jan De Luyck
On Thursday 31 August 2006 21:11, Andrew Robinson wrote: Looking for some constructive feedback on other people's experiences As a fairly new AMD64 user, I have to say that maintaining a 32-bit chroot is relatively painless. I've gotten used to using 'apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade;

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Erik Mouw
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 10:50:32AM +0200, Lubos Vrbka wrote: maybe you could also run 64bit kernel with 32bit userspace... not doing that personally, i am happy with amd64 port, but it might be worth trying, there are some reports of this on d-u... That works very well. We have a couple of

Re: ATA abnormal status

2006-09-01 Thread Francesco Pietra
On Wednesday 30 August 2006 23:49, Erik Mouw wrote: On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 08:37:03PM +0200, Francesco Pietra wrote: Sent again: The external scsi HD was not connected when the accident occurred Hi Erik: Thanks for your attention. Main board: Tyan K8WE S2895 SATA II controllers

Re: Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread tomek . fizyk
Użytkownik Jan De Luyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał: Openoffice. I'm tempted to try out the 64-bit build for the latter... anyone here with experience on that? Is it any usable? Thanks, Jan What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some website

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Jan De Luyck
On Friday 01 September 2006 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some website found by google and am not sure if it wasn't some old news. http://openoffice.debian.net/ lists just that. I'll guess i'll

Re: Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Albert Dengg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:58:51PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U?ytkownik Jan De Luyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa?: Openoffice. I'm tempted to try out the 64-bit build for the latter... anyone here with experience on that? Is it any usable?

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Thierry Chatelet
Jan De Luyck wrote: On Friday 01 September 2006 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some website found by google and am not sure if it wasn't some old news. http://openoffice.debian.net/ lists

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Matthew Robinson
Albert Dengg wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:58:51PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U?ytkownik Jan De Luyck [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa?: Openoffice. I'm tempted to try out the 64-bit build for the latter... anyone here with experience on

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Jan De Luyck
On Friday 01 September 2006 15:30, Matthew Robinson wrote: Doesn't Koffice work in 64bit? What about abiword, gnumeric, etc? Koffice doesn't really do what I need, since it unfortunatly does include reading MSWord files. The import filters of koffice usually crash instead of doing anything.

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Sythos
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 02:30:50PM +0100, Matthew Robinson wrote: Doesn't Koffice work in 64bit? What about abiword, gnumeric, etc? Does Koffice MS-WORD/EXCEL plugin work? -- Sythos - http://www.sythos.net () ASCII Ribbon Campaign - against html/rtf/vCard in mail /\

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 15:53 +0200, Jan De Luyck wrote: On Friday 01 September 2006 15:30, Matthew Robinson wrote: Doesn't Koffice work in 64bit? What about abiword, gnumeric, etc? Koffice doesn't really do what I need, since it unfortunatly does include reading MSWord files. The import

Re: etch installer and dm-crypt

2006-09-01 Thread Brett Viren
sigi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ye^H^HGoogle. Thanks for this very helpful answer! You're a real hero. http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+encrypted+usb+flash+drive I guess this makes me a villain. -Brett. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Andrew Robinson
Well I made the rough decision last night and switched back to 32b. After reading some benchmarks it didn't look like 64b was going to benefit me much. This is a home desktop computer so the 32b will fit me fine. Just a shame to give up the extra functionality. Perhaps in a few years I may try

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread vitko
For those that have the knowledge, I know that the 64 bit architecture is faster due to addressing and such, but is it that noticeable? Also, I have 33% performance bonus with oggenc and mencoder (xvid and lavc encoding). It's enough for me to stick with 64 bit. Just my USD 0.02. Vit -- To

Re: etch installer and dm-crypt

2006-09-01 Thread sigi
Is there a way to set all this up, and to type the passphrase once for all the encrypted volumes? Yes. Or to make the system bootable with a key on a usb-stick inserted in it's slot during the boot? Yes. Any possibilities known here by anyone? Ye^H^HGoogle.

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread edwardsa
I have switched to 64-bit because I do scientific calculations and the added address-space is crucial, and the added speed is, well, very nice. I also think that 64-bit linux is not really ready for prime-time. It's not just the absence of a 64-bit OO (flash is completely superfluous). I'm just

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread edwardsa
Thierry Chatelet wrote: Jan De Luyck wrote: On Friday 01 September 2006 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some website found by google and am not sure if it wasn't some old news.

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread edwardsa
edwardsa wrote: Thierry Chatelet wrote: Jan De Luyck wrote: On Friday 01 September 2006 14:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I have read recently - it is not:( Saving files is not yet supported... But I read it on some website found by google and am not sure if it wasn't some old news.

Re: etch installer and dm-crypt

2006-09-01 Thread Brett Viren
sigi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best would be, to have i.e. 3 encrypted partitions, give one passphrase at boottime, and that's it. If you don't want to type so many passwords, why not just use 1 partition? If you really want multiple encrypted partitions you'll probably have to hack the

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread Christopher Browne
On 9/1/06, edwardsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't import powerpoint files. For a government lab, where productivity can, at times, seem synonymous with productivity, this can be really annoying. I'm a chroot now. What I really meant was that power point can, at times, seem synomymous with

Opteron or Athlon 64 FX?

2006-09-01 Thread dtutty
Hello, I'm starting to design my next computer before my current 486/P-II pair finally die. Any computer will do what I need 95 % of the time. Here's what I would like to do that I can't do now: scan, retouch, and store pictures from a digital camera watch DVDs on my big

Re: Opteron or Athlon 64 FX?

2006-09-01 Thread Jo Shields
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm starting to design my next computer before my current 486/P-II pair finally die. Any computer will do what I need 95 % of the time. Here's what I would like to do that I can't do now: scan, retouch, and store pictures from a digital camera

Re: [POLL] To continue 64 or not?

2006-09-01 Thread tomek . fizyk
Użytkownik edwardsa [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisał: I have a question about your claim of performance degradation. See below. ... Is this degradation true for all applications? To be clear, are you saying that if I compile a fortran code using either pgi, or the 64-bit libraries of g77, that it

Re: Opteron or Athlon 64 FX?

2006-09-01 Thread dtutty
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 06:58:10PM -0500, Marc D.M. wrote: On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 18:19 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: scan, retouch, and store pictures from a digital camera watch DVDs on my big drafting monitor transfer my old VHS tapes to DVD and edit out commercials.

Re: etch installer and dm-crypt

2006-09-01 Thread sigi
The best would be, to have i.e. 3 encrypted partitions, give one passphrase at boottime, and that's it. If you don't want to type so many passwords, why not just use 1 partition? Is it useful, to have just a unencrypted /boot partition and encrypt all the rest on a second one? I thought

Re: Opteron or Athlon 64 FX?

2006-09-01 Thread Marc D.M.
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 20:44 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 06:58:10PM -0500, Marc D.M. wrote: On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 18:19 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: scan, retouch, and store pictures from a digital camera watch DVDs on my big drafting monitor

Re: etch installer and dm-crypt

2006-09-01 Thread Owen Heisler
On Sat, 2006-09-02 at 03:40 +0200, sigi wrote: I thought the recommended way is to encrypt /home /tmp and /var because there my 'personal' files are - and let the rest unencrypted due to the perfomance ... Makes sense, but I have read that encryption's performance hit is negligible (less