RE: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-14 Thread mark
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:52:56PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: The you say! Is this why I can't get X going under vanilla 2.6.28? Any word on the ETA of the fixing of the breakage? Well given the kernel isn't in unstable, it didn't seem like a problem in need of a fix yet. Now

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-14 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 03:20:46AM -0700, m...@allums.com wrote: Sorry, I tend to forget that it is a big deal to do that stuff. It's not that bad really. Well except when the kernel interface changes and breaks things and you have to track down patches and such. It's just as well you

RE: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-07 Thread mark
Original Message Subject: Re: Where is the kernel? From: Sridhar M.A. m...@mylug.org Date: Tue, January 06, 2009 5:54 am To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:52:56PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: The you say! Is this why I can't get X

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-06 Thread A J Stiles
On Tuesday 06 Jan 2009, Robert Isaac wrote: That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. But it would certainly be a good argument to use in a letter to your elected representative,

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-06 Thread Sridhar M.A.
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:52:56PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: The you say! Is this why I can't get X going under vanilla 2.6.28? Any word on the ETA of the fixing of the breakage? Not sure about amd64, but there is a patch available for Nvidia 177.80 which makes it compile under x86

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 08:07:28PM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. Well true, that it would. I guess we would have to fix that if we did go to

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-06 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 07:52:56PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: The you say! Is this why I can't get X going under vanilla 2.6.28? Any word on the ETA of the fixing of the breakage? Well given the kernel isn't in unstable, it didn't seem like a problem in need of a fix yet. Now given I

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-06 Thread Robert Isaac
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:06 AM, A J Stiles de...@earthshod.co.uk wrote: On Tuesday 06 Jan 2009, Robert Isaac wrote: That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those for a desktop. But it would

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-06 Thread Robert Isaac
That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free, I'm sorry, but that's not the case: Debian is *only* main, non-free is a commodity place we provide for our users, it's not that something broked in non-free would stop the release to happen. That is good to say, but in

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-06 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/06/09 17:14, Robert Isaac wrote: [snip] Unfortunately, I can't afford to be without a 3D desktop so that is not an option for me. I'm sure you have a valid reason, but it does seem rather odd that you can't live without what many consider as eye candy. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Ivan Marin
2009/1/5 A J Stiles de...@earthshod.co.uk: On Monday 05 Jan 2009, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Dear maintainers, just some questions What happened to the kernel higher than 2.6.26 ? Is the kernel on hold, due toe the upcoming release of Lenny? Meanwhile the latest stable kernel-version is

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/05/09 09:27, Lennart Sorensen wrote: [snip] experimental [snip] and 2.6.28 is there now. Yay! Thanks, Kernel Team. -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA I like my women like I like my coffee - purchased at above-market rates from eco-friendly organic farming cooperatives in Latin

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:16:14AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: It's not there, and won't be until after Lenny's release. Unless the maintainers relent and put 2.6.27 into Experimental. Well 2.6.27 was in the kernel experimental area for a while, and 2.6.28 is there now. -- Len Sorensen --

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Jochen Schulz
Hans-J. Ullrich: Dear maintainers, This list is for Debian users of AMD64. You cannot expect maintainers to read it. What happened to the kernel higher than 2.6.26 ? Is the kernel on hold, due toe the upcoming release of Lenny? Yes. Meanwhile the latest stable kernel-version is 2.6.28

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread John Hasler
Ivan Marin writes: The main problem, I suppose, is to get the debian kernel patches. Is there a easy way to do a diff between the changes in the kernel.org sources and the debian patched sources? A Debian source package consists essentially of the pristine upstream source plus a diff

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Ivan Marin
2009/1/5 John Hasler jhas...@debian.org: Ivan Marin writes: The main problem, I suppose, is to get the debian kernel patches. Is there a easy way to do a diff between the changes in the kernel.org sources and the debian patched sources? A Debian source package consists essentially of the

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 20:29, Ivan Marin ispma...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/5 John Hasler jhas...@debian.org: Ivan Marin writes: The main problem, I suppose, is to get the debian kernel patches. Is there a easy way to do a diff between the changes in the kernel.org sources and the debian

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Mark Allums
Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Dear maintainers, just some questions What happened to the kernel higher than 2.6.26 ? Is the kernel on hold, due toe the upcoming release of Lenny? Meanwhile the latest stable kernel-version is 2.6.28 (and 2.6.29 is at work). Where is 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 in debian? I

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread John Hasler
Ivan Marin writes: I've been always curious about what are the changes that the Debian kernel team does to the pristine kernel, if any, and the differences between the pristine and the Debian .config. Description: Linux kernel source for version 2.6.25 with Debian patches This package

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Ivan Marin
2009/1/5 John Hasler jhas...@debian.org: Ivan Marin writes: I've been always curious about what are the changes that the Debian kernel team does to the pristine kernel, if any, and the differences between the pristine and the Debian .config. Description: Linux kernel source for version

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Mark Allums
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:16:14AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: It's not there, and won't be until after Lenny's release. Unless the maintainers relent and put 2.6.27 into Experimental. Well 2.6.27 was in the kernel experimental area for a while, and 2.6.28 is there now.

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Mark Allums
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:41:26AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Yes. Most users either aren't aware, forget about the existence of it, or don't want to mess with kernel experimental. And most of the time, they'd be right. The Lenny freeze is causing an exception to the

Re: Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Hans-J. Ullrich
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 09:16:14AM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: It's not there, and won't be until after Lenny's release. Unless the maintainers relent and put 2.6.27 into Experimental. Well 2.6.27 was in the kernel experimental area for a while, and 2.6.28 is there now. -- Len Sorensen Len,

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Masami Ichikawa
on 01/06/09 06:58, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: apt-get -d install linux-image -t experimental but it showed only all versions of 2.6.26 How can I download (but NOT install) the latest kernel from experimental? According to Debian Wiki[1], you can get latest package from other repository.

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the official Lenny kernel. Or at least be packaged alongside 2.6.26 in the final

Re: Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 10:58:40PM +0100, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: I tried apt-get -d install linux-image -t experimental but it showed only all versions of 2.6.26 How can I download (but NOT install) the latest kernel from experimental? Not debian experimental. The kernel experimental

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Robert Isaac
On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 02:07, Robert Isaac rjis...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Mark Allums
Robert Isaac wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27

Re: Where is the kernel?

2009-01-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 01/05/09 19:52, Mark Allums wrote: Robert Isaac wrote: On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote: Exactly. That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream. To reiterate the thoughts of