Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-14 Thread Ruediger Leibrandt
Gyro-Mouse? That'd be a seperate I/O device. In case of requiring or wanting such, one could always use a standard bluetooth mouse keyboard, which's use is more common than those free-flight-mouses. Integrating such a gyromouse inside the photoframe-tablet seems of little use, either, as the

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-14 Thread Dominique Dumont
Le Sunday 11 December 2011 02:02:52, Rüdiger Leibrandt a écrit : It's a cheap technique material wise, and when you have a PCB which is simply laid into the inside of the wooden frame and then have metal wire run through drilled holes in the wood and solderd to the PCB, it's a

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-14 Thread Dominique Dumont
Le Wednesday 14 December 2011 11:49:10, Ruediger Leibrandt a écrit : Integrating such a gyromouse inside the photoframe-tablet seems of little use, either, as the normal accelerometers inside a tablet do somewhat the same as the mouses gyro's do. Well, actually, I just need to know if the

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-14 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Dominique Dumont d...@debian.org wrote: On Saturday 10 December 2011 02:01:51 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:  batteries / power.  ah.  when you say digital photo frame, do you mean portable device or do you mean put it on the wall or mantlepiece? I mean

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-13 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Saturday 10 December 2011 02:01:51 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: batteries / power. ah. when you say digital photo frame, do you mean portable device or do you mean put it on the wall or mantlepiece? I mean always on power socket. No batteries Then, we'd need to field test our

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-11 Thread Phil Endecott
As for Buttons and I/O: I use a Gyration gyroscopic mouse. (These devices are also great if you need to give a software demo or similar on a projector.) Phil. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-10 Thread Rüdiger Leibrandt
As for Buttons and I/O: My experiences with digital photoframes that I reworked using regular wooden frames are limited ( 2 units only ) but placing the buttons on the lower underside and using those metal contacts which you bridge with your finger ( you know, those TTL/CMOS Touchbuttons like

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-09 Thread Dominique Dumont
Hello Luke Le Saturday 3 December 2011 22:36:41, vous avez écrit : about the digital photo frame idea: that's an even simpler version of a tablet, effectively. are you looking to build it yourself? if so, below No really build it myself. First, we need a prototype to develop our software on

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-09 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Dominique Dumont d...@debian.org wrote: Hello Luke Le Saturday 3 December 2011 22:36:41, vous avez écrit : about the digital photo frame idea: that's an even simpler version of a tablet, effectively.  are you looking to build it yourself? if so, below No

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-12-03 Thread Dominique Dumont
Le Friday 28 October 2011 18:01:34, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton a écrit : it's up to you, people. if you want a low-cost freedom box, or a low-cost server, or a low-cost tablet or a low-cost nettop or whatever but, unlike many offerings, with an actual decent CPU that won't have you

Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Rob van der Hoeven
Hi, Recently i bought a very nice tablet with the following specifications: Chipset : InfoTMIC IMAPX210 ARM11 Speed : 1000 MHz Memory: 512 MB Storage : 4 GB. Expansion : MicroSD™ expandable up to 64 GB total (2 x 32 GB) Connectivity: 2 x USB host 1 x RJ45 Ethernet (100 MHz) Mini

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Rtp
Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoe...@ziggo.nl writes: Hi, Hi, Recently i bought a very nice tablet with the following specifications: Chipset : InfoTMIC IMAPX210 ARM11 Speed : 1000 MHz Memory: 512 MB Storage : 4 GB. Expansion : MicroSD™ expandable up to 64 GB total (2 x 32

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Arnaud Patard arnaud.pat...@rtp-net.org wrote: Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoe...@ziggo.nl writes: Hi, Hi, Recently i bought a very nice tablet with the following specifications: Chipset   : InfoTMIC IMAPX210 ARM11 Speed     : 1000 MHz Memory    : 512

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Rob van der Hoeven
Recently i bought a very nice tablet with the following specifications: Chipset : InfoTMIC IMAPX210 ARM11 Speed : 1000 MHz Memory: 512 MB Storage : 4 GB. Expansion : MicroSD™ expandable up to 64 GB total (2 x 32 GB) I may be wrong but iirc, imapx210 is yet an other

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Bill Gatliff
On Oct 28, 2011 5:31 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net wrote: i say quotes illegal quotes because the fucking morons at infotmic forced everyone to sign NDAs before receiving the BSP (including kernel source code) thus losing their rights to actually distribute their *own* BSPs

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Phil Endecott
Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoeven at ziggo.nl writes: I think the hardware of this tablet can also be used as a server or desktop computer. The tablet is mass produced and very cheap (i got mine for 149 euro). For that price, to make a server, I would rather buy a loco board or any

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 02:37:06PM +, Phil Endecott wrote: Why do you think that? I have personally never seen an Android motherboard offered for sale at all, let alone for a low price. The i.MX53 LOCO board has an android BSP available. Does that qualify? -- Len Sorensen -- To

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Bill Gatliff
On Oct 28, 2011 7:37 AM, Phil Endecott spam_from_debian_...@chezphil.org wrote: The i.MX LOCO board, the OMAP panda board, and some of the others cost about the same as your tablet. Hardware that is not mass produced has some other issues, namely availability and vendor lock-in You think

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Oct 28, 2011, at 16:37, Phil Endecott wrote: Hardware that is not mass produced has some other issues, namely availability and vendor lock-in You think that your tablet is going to have better availability and less lock-in than a board from Freescale or TI? That seems unlikely to

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Jeremiah Foster
On Oct 28, 2011, at 17:39, Zygmunt Bazyli Krynicki wrote: Wysłane z iPhone'a ^^ heh Android's Linux kernels are supported (maintained?) by Linaro. With my Linaro hat on I must object. Depending on what you meant the statement above is either highly inaccurate or simply untrue. Hence

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Zygmunt Bazyli Krynicki
Wysłane z iPhone'a Dnia 28 paź 2011 o godz. 17:05 Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com napisał(a): On Oct 28, 2011, at 16:37, Phil Endecott wrote: Hardware that is not mass produced has some other issues, namely availability and vendor lock-in You think that your tablet is

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Bill Gatliff b...@billgatliff.com wrote: I think it must be possible to buy an android motherboard for just a fraction of the price that i paid for my tablet. only if you're prepared to place a cash up-front order for a large number of units, because you're

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Phil Endecott
lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 02:37:06PM +, Phil Endecott wrote: Why do you think that? I have personally never seen an Android motherboard offered for sale at all, let alone for a low price. The i.MX53 LOCO board has an android BSP available. Does that

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
[for the benefit of the freedombox list, cc'd here: a discussion is taking place - again - on debian-arm about the cost and availability of ARM-based systems. a chipset has been found which meets eben's criteria in mass-volume. actually, is a whopping 25% _below_ eben's expectations of $20, and

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Zygmunt Krynicki
W dniu 28.10.2011 17:46, Jeremiah Foster pisze: Android's Linux kernels are supported (maintained?) by Linaro. With my Linaro hat on I must object. Depending on what you meant the statement above is either highly inaccurate or simply untrue. Hence the question mark. :) I think what I

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Rob van der Hoeven
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 14:37 +, Phil Endecott wrote: Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoeven at ziggo.nl writes: I think the hardware of this tablet can also be used as a server or desktop computer. The tablet is mass produced and very cheap (i got mine for 149 euro). For that

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Rob van der Hoeven
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 16:07 +0100, Phil Endecott wrote: lsore...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 02:37:06PM +, Phil Endecott wrote: Why do you think that? I have personally never seen an Android motherboard offered for sale at all, let alone for a low price.

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Zygmunt Krynicki zygmunt.kryni...@linaro.org wrote: Disclaimer: I'm not a kernel developer. I have experience in the non-Intel part of the world but I'm not the sort of person with up-to-date hands-on experience. For those folks please look at traffic in

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread David Given
On 28/10/11 17:59, Zygmunt Krynicki wrote: [...] Here the people that write the BSP cannot solve the problem and just implement their own solution to meet the deadline. Just to expand on this: right now the BSPs are mostly written by hardware manufacturers, and hardware manufacturers have a

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoe...@ziggo.nl wrote: The FreedomBox project is looking for very cheap hardware. This hardware exists today, but it is used for running Android. It would be very nice if we could liberate this hardware and use it for our own

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread David Goodenough
On Friday 28 Oct 2011, Rob van der Hoeven wrote: On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 14:37 +, Phil Endecott wrote: Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoeven at ziggo.nl writes: I think the hardware of this tablet can also be used as a server or desktop computer. The tablet is mass produced and very

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Rob van der Hoeven
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 17:01 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Bill Gatliff b...@billgatliff.com wrote: I think it must be possible to buy an android motherboard for just a fraction of the price that i paid for my tablet. only if you're

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoe...@ziggo.nl wrote: On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 17:01 +0100, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Bill Gatliff b...@billgatliff.com wrote: I think it must be possible to buy an android motherboard for

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Rob van der Hoeven
The FreedomBox project is looking for very cheap hardware. This hardware What about the shortly to be released Raspberry Pi? I like the Raspberry Pi model B ($35 with 10/100Mb Ethernet). I will probably buy one. But... the subject of this tread is: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Zygmunt Krynicki
W dniu 28.10.2011 20:10, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton pisze: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Zygmunt Krynicki zygmunt.kryni...@linaro.org wrote: Disclaimer: I'm not a kernel developer. I have experience in the non-Intel part of the world but I'm not the sort of person with up-to-date

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
one. yes... that's not $25, is it? But... the subject of this tread is: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware. The discussion is becoming much to broad now (all my fault, i started using the FB word :-) :) ok then strictly speaking i'm off-topic, too. ok, not exactly, because of this: http

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Phil Endecott
Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoeven at ziggo.nl writes: Mass produced hardware has a higher chance of being of good quality. Absolute Rubbish. You are on a different planet. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Phil Endecott spam_from_debian_...@chezphil.org wrote: Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoeven at ziggo.nl writes: Mass produced hardware has a higher chance of being of good quality. Absolute Rubbish.  You are on a different planet. oo, ouch phil. i did try to

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Rob van der Hoeven
On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 19:54 +, Phil Endecott wrote: Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoeven at ziggo.nl writes: Mass produced hardware has a higher chance of being of good quality. Absolute Rubbish. You are on a different planet. Mass production is expensive to start Mass production is

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoe...@ziggo.nl wrote: On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 19:54 +, Phil Endecott wrote: Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoeven at ziggo.nl writes: Mass produced hardware has a higher chance of being of good quality. Absolute Rubbish.  You are

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoe...@ziggo.nl wrote: On Fri, 2011-10-28 at 19:54 +, Phil Endecott wrote: Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoeven at ziggo.nl writes: Mass produced hardware has a higher chance of being of good quality. Absolute Rubbish.  You are

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Christian Robottom Reis
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:30:19PM +0200, Zygmunt Krynicki wrote: I was just trying to state my opinion that Linaro supporting android kernels is kind of misleading in its own way. While I'm not a kernel developer I'm deep in Linaro and I try to stay informed about what is going on. I would

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Philippe Clérié
On Friday 28 October 2011 14:33:08 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: i can, if you prefer, use a site like pledgebank.com - that might help people to understand that i'm not asking people for a committment to buy. i'm asking people if they would be *willing* to commit to buying, if a

Re: Debian GNU/Linux on tablet hardware

2011-10-28 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2011/10/29 Philippe Clérié phili...@gcal.net: On Friday 28 October 2011 14:33:08 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: i can, if you prefer, use a site like pledgebank.com - that might help people to understand that i'm not asking people for a committment to buy.  i'm asking people if they